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Old May 11th, 2004, 03:10 AM
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PETA are ****tards.

Eva Whitley wrote:

The morons at PETA have rolled out Veg Eye for the Fat Guy (he
http://goveg.com/feat/vegeye2/ ) targeting Ruben Studdard, Luciano
Pavarotti, Michael Moore, John Goodman, and John Madden.

Earth to PETA: it is possible to be fat and vegetarian. Don't they know
any fat guy vegetarians? I could introduce them to some...

Here's part of what they have to say:


These lucky stars will be receiving PETA's "Veg Eye" makeover kit,
including copies of PETA's vegetarian starter kit, which is
chock-full of easy tips on how to switch from meaty to meatless; The
PETA Celebrity Cookbook, which makes vegetarian cooking super simple;


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Old May 11th, 2004, 03:22 AM
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I second PETA ****tards!
" PETA are ****tards.

Eva Whitley wrote:

The morons at PETA have rolled out Veg Eye for the Fat Guy (he
http://goveg.com/feat/vegeye2/ ) targeting Ruben Studdard, Luciano
Pavarotti, Michael Moore, John Goodman, and John Madden.

Earth to PETA: it is possible to be fat and vegetarian. Don't they know
any fat guy vegetarians? I could introduce them to some...

Here's part of what they have to say:


These lucky stars will be receiving PETA's "Veg Eye" makeover kit,
including copies of PETA's vegetarian starter kit, which is
chock-full of easy tips on how to switch from meaty to meatless; The
PETA Celebrity Cookbook, which makes vegetarian cooking super simple;




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Old May 11th, 2004, 07:00 AM
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Hello Doug!

Sorry for the long email in advance. I just wanted to provide
information for you just in case you might find it helpful...

I tried a vegetarian diet for a couple of months before starting low-cal. I
*gained* weight. It's easy to gain weight on a vegetarian diet - especially
a lacto-vegetarian diet.


This is great that you are trying a new diet! Especially a low-cal
vegetarian diet, which I would think would be exceptionally difficult
to stomach. It shows that you really trying!! Now, I don't really
know if you want the information, but there is a very easy explanation
as to why you gained weight. Let me explain...

What if I was to tell you that for most people, reducing their caloric
intake would have ZERO impact on them loosing weight? Would you
believe me?? Probably not, but virtually every nutritionist would be
on my side. (OK, lets leave the doctors out of this one only because
I have found that about 60% of them don't have a clue about basic
nutrition)

For most people, including vegetarians, the real culprit to gaining
weight is not due to how many calories they eat, but rather the types
of foods that they eat, and how they eat them. To save time in this
forum, lets just get to the core of the matter. What makes most
people gain weight is due to what nutritionists call the "see saw
effect". Let me explain the process:

Why most people gain weight?
=======================================
A) You get hungry and eat something of high GI food. Mmmm... Candy
bar and Coke is yummy!!... :-)
http://www.gisymbol.com.au/PDF/BackgroundInfoGI.PDF

B) Next, in under 5 mins, this food that was ingested is immediately
absorbed into your blood stream which causes a massive spike in your
bodies blood glucose levels.

C) After about another 15 mins, your pancreas notices the rising blood
glucose levels, and releases a massive amount of insulin which is
required to allow the body to "use" this new found energy source.

D) Because your insulin levels rise so fast in the bloodstream, (ie.
More energy than the body needs), your fat cells start gobbling up all
the extra, and you would be amazed at how fast these little critters
can do this!!(ie. Normally in less than 45 mins)

E) Next, because of these seemingly "greedy little fat cells", blood
sugar levels drop rapidly leaving the rest of the body without much
energy left, making you feeling tired and sleepy... Nap time anyone??

F) Finally, because blood sugar levels dropped so low in such a short
period of time, your body does not know what is going on and goes into
"panic mode" thereby sending signals to the brain to make you hungry
again. (ie. This starts this vicious cycle all over again)
=======================================

Next Question: Why do we love high GI foods so much?
=======================================
To answer this question, one must appreciate how incredibly smart our
bodies are. In some instances, people will eat allot of high GI foods
just because they are the quickest/easiest foods to find or they do
not know any better. For many people, though, we seem to "crave" high
GI foods…

Have you ever wondered why when that "special someone" broke your
heart, or maybe that person driving in the car next to you made you
feel really stupid, why your instinctly go home and start eating that
big bowl of ice cream? Well, I promise you that you would be very
surprised by the answer!

In your brain there exists two master chemicals. The first is called
"dopamine". The other is called "serotonin". These two brain
chemicals influence most everything that we do. For the first being
dopamine, it is used for excitement and concentration. In fact, a
dopamine release is the whole reason why people drink their coffee in
the morning! Serotonin, on the other hand, is used for that overall
"feel good awareness", which most people call the "after glow"
chemical. Reduced levels in serotonin will cause depression, fatigue,
insomnia, etc.

Now, where am I going with this?? Well, when your body is influenced
by a period of onset depression, which for many people is
unfortunately an almost daily occurrence, your body attempts to
"treat" itself. Somehow, throughout time, our bodies have learned
that by ingesting large amounts of high GI foods, that it will raise
serotonin levels in the brain an make you feel better. (ie. Reduces
depression symptoms) As with most people that are "their own
doctors", even though your body has good intent overall, its reckless
behavior does more harm than good...
=======================================

OK. They what diet is GUARANTEED to Work?
=======================================
Because of the greedy nature of fat cells, any diet that limits
insulin releases to a minimum in the body will basically stop fat
storage all together. Think about it this way, if there is very
little amounts of insulin flowing through the body at any one given
time, your muscles will take up all of the glucose and leave your fat
cells empty handed!! Now, if only we could do this with governments
and politicians!! :-)

The way to do this is to always eat low GI foods and stay away from
high GI foods. Low GI foods are any food that requires the body to
work very hard (ie. Extract Glucose Slowly) to get its energy from.
Foods such as: Oatmeal, Kashi cereal, Skim milk, Brown Rice, 100%
Whole Wheat Breads, Broccoli, or any non-processed Beans are perfect
for keeping insulin levels low. Another side benefit is that by
keeping your insulin levels constant, your energy levels will go thru
the roof!!! Dont believe me?? Well, it is 12:43am and I got up this
morning at 4:30am and Im still going strong!! :-)

Another trick that you will find incredibly effective is what is
called "diet balancing". Basically this consists of balancing the
types of foods that you eat. For instance, my diet is just a typical
45/35/20. This means that I am ingesting about 45% of my foods from
protein, about 35% from low GI carbohydrates, and about 20% from fat.
By balancing your diet, you will be able to eat a considerable larger
amount of food with negligible fat gains. Does this mean that you
have to count every calorie you eat?? Certainly not, but it just
means that when you are eating a meal, to make sure you always have an
appropriate amount of protein/carbohydrates/fats on the plate before
you start eating!
=======================================

And Finally, Why do people always talk about exercise??
=======================================
As stated above, the human body is an amazing organism. In fact, have
you ever wondered why when you go on a diet you loose weight for about
3 to 5 weeks and then no matter how hard you try you cannot loose
anymore weight?? The answer is actually pretty intriguing.....

Whenever a person goes on a restricted caloric diet, the body at first
sarcomas to the pressure. (ie. It gives up fat). After a given time,
though, the body gets "wise" to what is going on and decides to take
action!! After about 3 to 5 weeks, (ie. It is different from person
to person), the body realizes that it must change a few things or it
will have to give up all of its fat, and I can promise you that it
does not want to do that without a fight!! To stability the situation
because of the reduced calorie diet, the body just chooses to reduce
it metabolic rate. (ie. You have less energy and cannot think as well
as before). By doing this, it allows the body to now function on this
reduced diet and keep the fat is so dearly loves!!

So where does fitness fall into this?? Well, by introducing exercise
into the picture, you effectively stop the body from going into a
reduced metabolic state. By doing this, you will continue to loose
weight throughout the duration of your weight loss diet cycle.

Another side benefit to exercise has to do with weight training. By
lifting heavy amounts of weights in the gym (ie. Think HEAVY weight
and not light weight as it will have very little effect), you
stimulate the body to build more muscle to lift this heavy load. In
turn, having this new muscle requires additional glucose to feed it.
The beauty of this is that by adding muscle, you can eat considerably
more and still loose weight. Dont believe me?? Well, most body
builders (Yes, I am talking about the ones that do NOT use steriods)
that have large amounts of muscle will eat 5000 calories a day....
For these guys, eating actually is a full time job!! :-)
=======================================

Now that you are equipped with all of the knowledge you need, go forth
Doug and ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS!!! (And also have some fun along the
way.... :-)

I hope this helps!

Jim Carver


Doug Lerner wrote in message ...
On 5/10/04 2:53 PM, in article er,
"Eva Whitley" wrote:

The morons at PETA have rolled out Veg Eye for the Fat Guy (he
http://goveg.com/feat/vegeye2/ ) targeting Ruben Studdard, Luciano
Pavarotti, Michael Moore, John Goodman, and John Madden.

Earth to PETA: it is possible to be fat and vegetarian. Don't they know
any fat guy vegetarians? I could introduce them to some...


I tried a vegetarian diet for a couple of months before starting low-cal. I
*gained* weight. It's easy to gain weight on a vegetarian diet - especially
a lacto-vegetarian diet.

Maybe it's harder to gain weight if you eliminate absolutely all animal
products including products that are derived from animals, like butter and
milk and cheese...

But if you include those it is easy to get and remain obese and be a
vegetarian.

doug

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Old May 11th, 2004, 12:23 PM
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"Doug Lerner" wrote in message
...
On 5/10/04 2:53 PM, in article er,
"Eva Whitley" wrote:

The morons at PETA have rolled out Veg Eye for the Fat Guy (he
http://goveg.com/feat/vegeye2/ ) targeting Ruben Studdard, Luciano
Pavarotti, Michael Moore, John Goodman, and John Madden.

Earth to PETA: it is possible to be fat and vegetarian. Don't they know
any fat guy vegetarians? I could introduce them to some...


I tried a vegetarian diet for a couple of months before starting low-cal.

I
*gained* weight. It's easy to gain weight on a vegetarian diet -

especially
a lacto-vegetarian diet.

Of course. It doesn't matter if the calories consumed are from ice cream or
brussels sprouts. If one consumes more calories than one's body needs,
weight gain occurs. That's why I laugh at people who claim to "not eat much"
but are still morbidly obese. A 300 pound person needs to eat 3000 cals/day
just to maintain.


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Old May 11th, 2004, 12:27 PM
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"Jim Carver" wrote in message
om...
Hello Doug!

Sorry for the long email in advance. I just wanted to provide
information for you just in case you might find it helpful...

I tried a vegetarian diet for a couple of months before starting

low-cal. I
*gained* weight. It's easy to gain weight on a vegetarian diet -

especially
a lacto-vegetarian diet.


This is great that you are trying a new diet! Especially a low-cal
vegetarian diet, which I would think would be exceptionally difficult
to stomach. It shows that you really trying!! Now, I don't really
know if you want the information, but there is a very easy explanation
as to why you gained weight. Let me explain...

What if I was to tell you that for most people, reducing their caloric
intake would have ZERO impact on them loosing weight?


I would say that millions of concentration camp victims and starving
Ethiopians say you're full of beans. I guarantee you that if ANYONE goes
into caloric deficit they will lose weight. Basic thermodynamics. What
you're claiming defies the laws of physics, and of common sense. Yes, people
lose weight with a diet which eliminates high GI foods. But people also lose
weight by eating lots of pasta and exercising intensely. People also lose
weight by achieving a state of caloric deficit.


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Old May 11th, 2004, 04:07 PM
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 11:23:39 GMT, "Gooserider"
announced in front of God and everybody:

Of course. It doesn't matter if the calories consumed are from ice cream or
brussels sprouts.


Actually, it does make a difference, depending on the individual.
People who are diabetic and/or insulin resistant have a different
reaction to simple carbohydrates than non-IR people.

Dawn

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Old May 11th, 2004, 04:19 PM
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"pearl" wrote in message ...


J Clin Gastroenterol. 1986 Aug;8(4):451-3.
Energy intake and body weight in ovo-lacto vegetarians.
Levin N, Rattan J, Gilat T.
Vegetarians have a lower body weight than omnivores. In
this study the relationship between the weight/height ratio and
food consumption was evaluated in 92 ovo-lacto vegetarians
and 113 omnivores in Israel. The average weight of the
vegetarians was significantly lower than that of the omnivores
(60.8 kg vs. 69.1 kg), even though the vegetarian diet supplied
a significantly higher amount of calories than the nonvegetarian
diet (3,030.5 cal/day vs. 2,626.8 cal/day). Consumption of fat
was similar in both groups. Carbohydrate consumption was
higher in the vegetarians while protein consumption was lower.
The prevalence of obesity was significantly lower in the
vegetarian group (5.4%) as compared to 19.5% among the
omnivores. The lower body weight of vegetarians despite a
higher caloric intake is of considerable interest.
PMID: 3760524



Typical garbage "study" that doesn't establish any mechanism and
actually doesn't even show a real correlation between "lower weight"
and a certain eating pattern. To show the latter they would have to
rule out the possibility that this isn't merely a genetic effect (i.e.
that not all or most people will have lower weight on this diet).
This point is brought home by the 5.4% vs 19.5% obesity rate cited.
Obesity is highly correlated with hyperinsulinism and carbohydrate
intolerance. Considering that vegetarian diets range from high to
very high in carbs these obesity figures show that a certian
non-random subset of the population is choosing a vegetarian diet.
The most plausible explanation is that this diet agrees with them on a
physical level and not just philosophical. People with
hyperinsulinemia cannot live on such high carb diets.

Also there is an obvious flaw in the definition of lower weight: there
is no distinction made between fat and muscle mass. Vegetarians tend
to have lower muscle mass and muscle density is significantly larger
than fat density.
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Old May 11th, 2004, 05:06 PM
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"Gooserider" wrote in message
m...

"Doug Lerner" wrote in message
...
On 5/10/04 2:53 PM, in article

er,
"Eva Whitley" wrote:

The morons at PETA have rolled out Veg Eye for the Fat Guy (he
http://goveg.com/feat/vegeye2/ ) targeting Ruben Studdard, Luciano
Pavarotti, Michael Moore, John Goodman, and John Madden.

Earth to PETA: it is possible to be fat and vegetarian. Don't they

know
any fat guy vegetarians? I could introduce them to some...


I tried a vegetarian diet for a couple of months before starting

low-cal.
I
*gained* weight. It's easy to gain weight on a vegetarian diet -

especially
a lacto-vegetarian diet.

Of course. It doesn't matter if the calories consumed are from ice cream

or
brussels sprouts. If one consumes more calories than one's body needs,
weight gain occurs. That's why I laugh at people who claim to "not eat

much"
but are still morbidly obese. A 300 pound person needs to eat 3000

cals/day
just to maintain.


You shouldn't laugh at them! There are reasons why a 300 lb person might not
eat much but still maintain or even gain weight.

They could have metabolic problems that cause them to gain even if they eat
like a normal person. Some people have a genetic disposition toward being
fat that's hard to get past. Also some people don't have any natural
mechanisms to help them know what a portion size looks like, so they have to
actually learn it before they can control their intake.

Besides, a lot of people who are big do cut down their intake of food a lot
in order to try to be healthier, and it doesn't always work. The people I
see buying low calorie food, fat free food, etc. are usually fat people. I
went through a phase where I was trying that "Stop the Insanity" diet where
you can eat a normal amount of food but everything had to be lower than 20%
of calories from fat. I wasn't eating a lot but I didn't lose much weight at
all.

Add to this the contradictory claims made by various "Experts" on what
should be eaten, how much, and when, and it can be extremely hard to figure
it all out.

Besides, food is only part of the picture. They need to exercise too. If
they tried exercising, they'd burn more calories no matter how much they
ate.

-Rubystars


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Old May 11th, 2004, 05:19 PM
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:06:21 GMT, "Rubystars" wrote:

[..]

You shouldn't laugh at them! There are reasons why a 300 lb person might not
eat much but still maintain or even gain weight.

They could have metabolic problems that cause them to gain even if they eat
like a normal person. Some people have a genetic disposition toward being
fat that's hard to get past. Also some people don't have any natural
mechanisms to help them know what a portion size looks like, so they have to
actually learn it before they can control their intake.


One of my over-eating problems is that it takes me longer
than most to "feel" full-up. I can wolf down three large
meals before I'm ready to leave the table while others just
pick and poke at their plate like sparrows. Also, I like the
taste of food, so why hasn't someone invented something
to spray on my tongue to reduce my taste-appetites?

Besides, a lot of people who are big do cut down their intake of food a lot
in order to try to be healthier, and it doesn't always work. The people I
see buying low calorie food, fat free food, etc. are usually fat people. I
went through a phase where I was trying that "Stop the Insanity" diet where
you can eat a normal amount of food but everything had to be lower than 20%
of calories from fat. I wasn't eating a lot but I didn't lose much weight at
all.


Try packing up the fags. Since quitting at the beginning of
April I've gained a full stone. Oh heck!
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Old May 11th, 2004, 05:30 PM
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"ipse dixit" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:06:21 GMT, "Rubystars"

wrote:

[..]

You shouldn't laugh at them! There are reasons why a 300 lb person might

not
eat much but still maintain or even gain weight.

They could have metabolic problems that cause them to gain even if they

eat
like a normal person. Some people have a genetic disposition toward being
fat that's hard to get past. Also some people don't have any natural
mechanisms to help them know what a portion size looks like, so they have

to
actually learn it before they can control their intake.


One of my over-eating problems is that it takes me longer
than most to "feel" full-up. I can wolf down three large
meals before I'm ready to leave the table while others just
pick and poke at their plate like sparrows. Also, I like the
taste of food, so why hasn't someone invented something
to spray on my tongue to reduce my taste-appetites?


I understand what you mean.

Besides, a lot of people who are big do cut down their intake of food a

lot
in order to try to be healthier, and it doesn't always work. The people I
see buying low calorie food, fat free food, etc. are usually fat people.

I
went through a phase where I was trying that "Stop the Insanity" diet

where
you can eat a normal amount of food but everything had to be lower than

20%
of calories from fat. I wasn't eating a lot but I didn't lose much weight

at
all.


Try packing up the fags. Since quitting at the beginning of
April I've gained a full stone. Oh heck!


That happens to a lot of people who quit, because the replace one habit with
the other supposedly. I've also heard that smoking can help people to be
thin (maybe it just keeps the mouth busy) but the other bad effects like
stained teeth, etc. wouldn't be worth it to me, especially after seeing my
grandmother suffering from emphysema after a lifetime of smoking Marlboros.

I don't know how she breathed at all, to tell the truth. She had symptoms
even in clear air, and she smoked so much in her tiny apartment that when I
went in there, I felt like *my* lungs were full of pea soup. I got sick
afterward too..

-Rubystars


 




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