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Old August 4th, 2004, 12:08 AM
Nikko
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I'm a 5'7" 34 year old male and am in terrible shape. I weigh about 210 lbs
and realistically I should be no more than 170 lbs. I want to eventually
have a little bit of muscle tone, especially in the upper body, but right
now I just want to lose the fat. It's being fat that's bothering me most of
all. I want to see changes in my body as quickly as possible So what I'm
wondering is if I'm on the path to doing that or if there's a more effective
way.

Here's what I *have* been doing for the last three weeks: I've limited my
daily intake to between 1000 and 1500 calories. There have been three days
in there where I fell off the wagon and it was probably as high as 2500
calories. The rest have been in the 1000-1500 range. I am a creature of
habit, which might be a boon to me in this endeavor, as I am able to eat
almost exactly the same thing every day without getting (too) sick of it. I
start out with an apple or orange when I first wake up. About an hour
later, I have a Zone Bar (210 calories - 7 grams fat, 21 grams carb, 16
grams protein). A couple of hours later I have lunch, which is a grilled
chicken breast (187 calories, 6 g. fat, 0 g. carb, 34 g. protein), broccoli
and green beans (total of about 3 g. fat, 17 g. carb, 4 g. protein). In the
mid-afternoon I have another Zone Bar, and sometimes maybe an apple a little
later on days when I am going to exercise. In my case, that means doing
cardio three times a week, usually for about 50 minutes. Mostly this has
been in the form of spinning/cycling classes. In the evening I have another
Zone Bar, and that's it. There has been very little variation from this so
far.

So my question is, am I on the right path? Is my calorie intake too high?
Too low? Not consistent enough?

I know there's no overnight cure, but I want to make sure that I'm doing
everything I can to bring about my goal as quickly as possible. As you can
tell, I have so far not included any lifting in my regimen. Is it a bad
idea to completely ignore it for now? I just figured it'd be easier to lose
fat first by restricting calories and burning as many as I can (and I'm
operating under the assumption that 50 minutes of cardio will burn more than
50 minutes of lifting), then start lifting once I've gotten down near my
goal weight. Will this work? Are there any supplements on which there is a
consensus that they are effective and should be part of my overall plan? I
would really like to try ephadra/ephadrine (whichever is more effective) and
I know that perhaps there is not a consensus on that one, but would
appreciate any info on the recommended frequency/amount of dosage one should
take. Also if there is a particular brand that anyone would like to
recommend, I'd appreciate having that information as well.

I know this is a long post, but I would truly appreciate any sincere
thoughtful, feedback you can provide. Thanks.


  #2  
Old August 11th, 2004, 08:14 PM
Shane Osborne
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Hi Nikko,

It sounds like you are doing quite well at the moment and are on the right
track, do not reduce your calories any more than you have now, 1500 is very
low so try to stick around this.

To some people it may sound high but I have assisted women to loose weight
while they are still eating around 2400 calories, so please dont go below
1400 at the minimum.

Keep exercising and also if possible look around for old second hand
exercise equipment, dont be scared to pickup some weights such as dumbbells
as this will increase your metabolism. Look for a womens fitness magazine
for a weight workout something like Fitnees for Women or Muscle &Fitness for
hers.

As for supplements ensure you are taking a multivitamin and plenty of
protein through food or by taking protein powder.

Dont bother with epherdra based fat burners, these are dangerous. However
there are some which will help you and keep you more alert and help to loose
weight. Two of the most popular ones are -

Xenedrine EFX http://www.muscleiq.com/scripts/prod...idproduct=1711
$26.40
HydroxyCut Caffeine Free
http://www.muscleiq.com/scripts/prod...idproduct=1191 $28.46

Good luck, reply back with any questions. DONT CRASH DIET!!

Shane

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nikko"
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet.low-fat
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 12:08 AM
Subject: could really use some help


I'm a 5'7" 34 year old male and am in terrible shape. I weigh about 210

lbs
and realistically I should be no more than 170 lbs. I want to eventually
have a little bit of muscle tone, especially in the upper body, but right
now I just want to lose the fat. It's being fat that's bothering me most

of
all. I want to see changes in my body as quickly as possible So what

I'm
wondering is if I'm on the path to doing that or if there's a more

effective
way.

Here's what I *have* been doing for the last three weeks: I've limited my
daily intake to between 1000 and 1500 calories. There have been three

days
in there where I fell off the wagon and it was probably as high as 2500
calories. The rest have been in the 1000-1500 range. I am a creature of
habit, which might be a boon to me in this endeavor, as I am able to eat
almost exactly the same thing every day without getting (too) sick of it.

I
start out with an apple or orange when I first wake up. About an hour
later, I have a Zone Bar (210 calories - 7 grams fat, 21 grams carb, 16
grams protein). A couple of hours later I have lunch, which is a grilled
chicken breast (187 calories, 6 g. fat, 0 g. carb, 34 g. protein),

broccoli
and green beans (total of about 3 g. fat, 17 g. carb, 4 g. protein). In

the
mid-afternoon I have another Zone Bar, and sometimes maybe an apple a

little
later on days when I am going to exercise. In my case, that means doing
cardio three times a week, usually for about 50 minutes. Mostly this has
been in the form of spinning/cycling classes. In the evening I have

another
Zone Bar, and that's it. There has been very little variation from this

so
far.

So my question is, am I on the right path? Is my calorie intake too

high?
Too low? Not consistent enough?

I know there's no overnight cure, but I want to make sure that I'm doing
everything I can to bring about my goal as quickly as possible. As you

can
tell, I have so far not included any lifting in my regimen. Is it a bad
idea to completely ignore it for now? I just figured it'd be easier to

lose
fat first by restricting calories and burning as many as I can (and I'm
operating under the assumption that 50 minutes of cardio will burn more

than
50 minutes of lifting), then start lifting once I've gotten down near my
goal weight. Will this work? Are there any supplements on which there is

a
consensus that they are effective and should be part of my overall plan?

I
would really like to try ephadra/ephadrine (whichever is more effective)

and
I know that perhaps there is not a consensus on that one, but would
appreciate any info on the recommended frequency/amount of dosage one

should
take. Also if there is a particular brand that anyone would like to
recommend, I'd appreciate having that information as well.

I know this is a long post, but I would truly appreciate any sincere
thoughtful, feedback you can provide. Thanks.




  #3  
Old August 11th, 2004, 08:14 PM
Shane Osborne
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Hi Nikko,

It sounds like you are doing quite well at the moment and are on the right
track, do not reduce your calories any more than you have now, 1500 is very
low so try to stick around this.

To some people it may sound high but I have assisted women to loose weight
while they are still eating around 2400 calories, so please dont go below
1400 at the minimum.

Keep exercising and also if possible look around for old second hand
exercise equipment, dont be scared to pickup some weights such as dumbbells
as this will increase your metabolism. Look for a womens fitness magazine
for a weight workout something like Fitnees for Women or Muscle &Fitness for
hers.

As for supplements ensure you are taking a multivitamin and plenty of
protein through food or by taking protein powder.

Dont bother with epherdra based fat burners, these are dangerous. However
there are some which will help you and keep you more alert and help to loose
weight. Two of the most popular ones are -

Xenedrine EFX http://www.muscleiq.com/scripts/prod...idproduct=1711
$26.40
HydroxyCut Caffeine Free
http://www.muscleiq.com/scripts/prod...idproduct=1191 $28.46

Good luck, reply back with any questions. DONT CRASH DIET!!

Shane

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nikko"
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet.low-fat
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 12:08 AM
Subject: could really use some help


I'm a 5'7" 34 year old male and am in terrible shape. I weigh about 210

lbs
and realistically I should be no more than 170 lbs. I want to eventually
have a little bit of muscle tone, especially in the upper body, but right
now I just want to lose the fat. It's being fat that's bothering me most

of
all. I want to see changes in my body as quickly as possible So what

I'm
wondering is if I'm on the path to doing that or if there's a more

effective
way.

Here's what I *have* been doing for the last three weeks: I've limited my
daily intake to between 1000 and 1500 calories. There have been three

days
in there where I fell off the wagon and it was probably as high as 2500
calories. The rest have been in the 1000-1500 range. I am a creature of
habit, which might be a boon to me in this endeavor, as I am able to eat
almost exactly the same thing every day without getting (too) sick of it.

I
start out with an apple or orange when I first wake up. About an hour
later, I have a Zone Bar (210 calories - 7 grams fat, 21 grams carb, 16
grams protein). A couple of hours later I have lunch, which is a grilled
chicken breast (187 calories, 6 g. fat, 0 g. carb, 34 g. protein),

broccoli
and green beans (total of about 3 g. fat, 17 g. carb, 4 g. protein). In

the
mid-afternoon I have another Zone Bar, and sometimes maybe an apple a

little
later on days when I am going to exercise. In my case, that means doing
cardio three times a week, usually for about 50 minutes. Mostly this has
been in the form of spinning/cycling classes. In the evening I have

another
Zone Bar, and that's it. There has been very little variation from this

so
far.

So my question is, am I on the right path? Is my calorie intake too

high?
Too low? Not consistent enough?

I know there's no overnight cure, but I want to make sure that I'm doing
everything I can to bring about my goal as quickly as possible. As you

can
tell, I have so far not included any lifting in my regimen. Is it a bad
idea to completely ignore it for now? I just figured it'd be easier to

lose
fat first by restricting calories and burning as many as I can (and I'm
operating under the assumption that 50 minutes of cardio will burn more

than
50 minutes of lifting), then start lifting once I've gotten down near my
goal weight. Will this work? Are there any supplements on which there is

a
consensus that they are effective and should be part of my overall plan?

I
would really like to try ephadra/ephadrine (whichever is more effective)

and
I know that perhaps there is not a consensus on that one, but would
appreciate any info on the recommended frequency/amount of dosage one

should
take. Also if there is a particular brand that anyone would like to
recommend, I'd appreciate having that information as well.

I know this is a long post, but I would truly appreciate any sincere
thoughtful, feedback you can provide. Thanks.




  #4  
Old August 13th, 2004, 06:20 AM
jamie
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Default could really use some help

Shane Osborne wrote:

Dont bother with epherdra based fat burners, these are dangerous. However
there are some which will help you and keep you more alert and help to loose
weight. Two of the most popular ones are -


Ephedra weight loss products were pulled off the market shortly before
they were outlawed in the US. The two below may be "popular" but since
replacing the ephedra with other substances, they only place they will
cause weight loss is in the wallet. They contain nothing proven to
help weight loss.

Hydroxycut is mostly filled with something proven *not* effective
for weight loss (hydroxycitric acid, which they call "hydroxagen")
in a few medical studies. It used to be one capsule's worth of
ephedra/caffeine stack, padded out with useless "hydroxagen" to
4 capsules per dose, to use a bottle up faster. Nice scam.


Xenedrine EFX http://www.muscleiq.com/scripts/prod...idproduct=1711
$26.40
HydroxyCut Caffeine Free
http://www.muscleiq.com/scripts/prod...idproduct=1191 $28.46

Good luck, reply back with any questions. DONT CRASH DIET!!

Shane

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nikko"
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet.low-fat
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 12:08 AM
Subject: could really use some help


I'm a 5'7" 34 year old male and am in terrible shape. I weigh about 210

lbs
and realistically I should be no more than 170 lbs. I want to eventually
have a little bit of muscle tone, especially in the upper body, but right
now I just want to lose the fat. It's being fat that's bothering me most

of
all. I want to see changes in my body as quickly as possible So what

I'm
wondering is if I'm on the path to doing that or if there's a more

effective
way.

Here's what I *have* been doing for the last three weeks: I've limited my
daily intake to between 1000 and 1500 calories. There have been three

days
in there where I fell off the wagon and it was probably as high as 2500
calories. The rest have been in the 1000-1500 range. I am a creature of
habit, which might be a boon to me in this endeavor, as I am able to eat
almost exactly the same thing every day without getting (too) sick of it.

I
start out with an apple or orange when I first wake up. About an hour
later, I have a Zone Bar (210 calories - 7 grams fat, 21 grams carb, 16
grams protein). A couple of hours later I have lunch, which is a grilled
chicken breast (187 calories, 6 g. fat, 0 g. carb, 34 g. protein),

broccoli
and green beans (total of about 3 g. fat, 17 g. carb, 4 g. protein). In

the
mid-afternoon I have another Zone Bar, and sometimes maybe an apple a

little
later on days when I am going to exercise. In my case, that means doing
cardio three times a week, usually for about 50 minutes. Mostly this has
been in the form of spinning/cycling classes. In the evening I have

another
Zone Bar, and that's it. There has been very little variation from this

so
far.

So my question is, am I on the right path? Is my calorie intake too

high?
Too low? Not consistent enough?

I know there's no overnight cure, but I want to make sure that I'm doing
everything I can to bring about my goal as quickly as possible. As you

can
tell, I have so far not included any lifting in my regimen. Is it a bad
idea to completely ignore it for now? I just figured it'd be easier to

lose
fat first by restricting calories and burning as many as I can (and I'm
operating under the assumption that 50 minutes of cardio will burn more

than
50 minutes of lifting), then start lifting once I've gotten down near my
goal weight. Will this work? Are there any supplements on which there is

a
consensus that they are effective and should be part of my overall plan?

I
would really like to try ephadra/ephadrine (whichever is more effective)

and
I know that perhaps there is not a consensus on that one, but would
appreciate any info on the recommended frequency/amount of dosage one

should
take. Also if there is a particular brand that anyone would like to
recommend, I'd appreciate having that information as well.

I know this is a long post, but I would truly appreciate any sincere
thoughtful, feedback you can provide. Thanks.






--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

  #5  
Old September 1st, 2004, 04:40 AM
The Voice of Reason
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"Nikko" wrote in message link.net...
I'm a 5'7" 34 year old male and am in terrible shape. I weigh about 210 lbs
and realistically I should be no more than 170 lbs. I want to eventually
have a little bit of muscle tone, especially in the upper body, but right
now I just want to lose the fat. It's being fat that's bothering me most of
all. I want to see changes in my body as quickly as possible So what I'm
wondering is if I'm on the path to doing that or if there's a more effective
way.

Here's what I *have* been doing for the last three weeks: I've limited my
daily intake to between 1000 and 1500 calories.


You should eat approximately 10x your bodyweight in calories per day,
so aim for 2000 calories a day. One day a week eat 2500. Get at least
40% of your calories from protein, and the rest from fat and
carbohydrates.

There have been three days
in there where I fell off the wagon and it was probably as high as 2500
calories.


It doesn't matter. Frequent refeeds are often beneficial.

The rest have been in the 1000-1500 range. I am a creature of
habit, which might be a boon to me in this endeavor, as I am able to eat
almost exactly the same thing every day without getting (too) sick of it.


That will probably be helpful. Stick to eating the right diet every
day.

everything I can to bring about my goal as quickly as possible. As you can
tell, I have so far not included any lifting in my regimen. Is it a bad
idea to completely ignore it for now? I just figured it'd be easier to lose
fat first by restricting calories and burning as many as I can (and I'm
operating under the assumption that 50 minutes of cardio will burn more than
50 minutes of lifting), then start lifting once I've gotten down near my
goal weight.


Weight-lifting is crucial to fat-loss. The weight you lose will be
some fat and some muscle. Weight-lifting shifts the balance so you
lose less muscle, and therefore you lose more fat. Losing weight
without regularly training your muscles means you'll lose a lot of
muscle, which is not beneficial. Muscle burns calories constantly just
to survive.

Also, it is beneficial to have muscle because then when you lose the
fat, instead of revealing a skinny flabby body you reveal a
half-decent one with some definition.

I recommend a twice-weekly full-body free-weight workout. Join a gym,
it doesn't have to be a fancy one, just a cheap one with free weights.
You want somewhere with squat cages and benches. If you don't know
what these are, ask when you're checking out the gym.

Will this work? Are there any supplements on which there is a
consensus that they are effective and should be part of my overall plan?


You don't need any. Ephedra and creatine you might find useful, or you
might not. You can survive without either.
  #6  
Old September 1st, 2004, 04:40 AM
The Voice of Reason
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"Nikko" wrote in message link.net...
I'm a 5'7" 34 year old male and am in terrible shape. I weigh about 210 lbs
and realistically I should be no more than 170 lbs. I want to eventually
have a little bit of muscle tone, especially in the upper body, but right
now I just want to lose the fat. It's being fat that's bothering me most of
all. I want to see changes in my body as quickly as possible So what I'm
wondering is if I'm on the path to doing that or if there's a more effective
way.

Here's what I *have* been doing for the last three weeks: I've limited my
daily intake to between 1000 and 1500 calories.


You should eat approximately 10x your bodyweight in calories per day,
so aim for 2000 calories a day. One day a week eat 2500. Get at least
40% of your calories from protein, and the rest from fat and
carbohydrates.

There have been three days
in there where I fell off the wagon and it was probably as high as 2500
calories.


It doesn't matter. Frequent refeeds are often beneficial.

The rest have been in the 1000-1500 range. I am a creature of
habit, which might be a boon to me in this endeavor, as I am able to eat
almost exactly the same thing every day without getting (too) sick of it.


That will probably be helpful. Stick to eating the right diet every
day.

everything I can to bring about my goal as quickly as possible. As you can
tell, I have so far not included any lifting in my regimen. Is it a bad
idea to completely ignore it for now? I just figured it'd be easier to lose
fat first by restricting calories and burning as many as I can (and I'm
operating under the assumption that 50 minutes of cardio will burn more than
50 minutes of lifting), then start lifting once I've gotten down near my
goal weight.


Weight-lifting is crucial to fat-loss. The weight you lose will be
some fat and some muscle. Weight-lifting shifts the balance so you
lose less muscle, and therefore you lose more fat. Losing weight
without regularly training your muscles means you'll lose a lot of
muscle, which is not beneficial. Muscle burns calories constantly just
to survive.

Also, it is beneficial to have muscle because then when you lose the
fat, instead of revealing a skinny flabby body you reveal a
half-decent one with some definition.

I recommend a twice-weekly full-body free-weight workout. Join a gym,
it doesn't have to be a fancy one, just a cheap one with free weights.
You want somewhere with squat cages and benches. If you don't know
what these are, ask when you're checking out the gym.

Will this work? Are there any supplements on which there is a
consensus that they are effective and should be part of my overall plan?


You don't need any. Ephedra and creatine you might find useful, or you
might not. You can survive without either.
 




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