Down Fall of Low Carb

No, it doesn't matter at all to me. :-)

Cheri


2Phat wrote in message (speaking of top posting versus bottom posting)

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Does it really matter?? Top, Bottom?? In the long run it's about
sharing,
exchanging and communicating.

On May 4, 9:23 pm, Hollywood wrote:
Why low-fat yogurt? Why not something more like full fat, active
culture yogurt. Less sugar (the microbes eat it) and more good stuff
for you. More calories, sure, but still. Greek Yogurt, very nice and
part of my LC lifestyle.

I like low fat frozen yoghurt best, and I haven't seen one that is
full fat. For me, not taking too much fat is good in keeping my
triglycerides low and possibly good for my heart. I take butter too,
but not margarine.


Dark Chocolate is problematic for a lot of people. It's a moderation
issue. Like it triggers binges. It's hard for them to leave any
behind. So, binge on it or not even a nibble are the options for these
people. And that's part of what Roger was talking about.

But another question. Why stick to 70%+? I just saw a man from the
Michel Cluizel company speak at an event here in the DC Metro area. If
you know much about the good stuff, chocolate wise, you will know that
different pods of cacao will be balanced well at different
concentrations. It's a lot like wine. There's even terroir to it. So,
if you want the darkest of the dark, buy MC's Le Noir Infini, at 99%.
To my sugar free palate, it was palatable. Among the 50 or so people
at this event, me, my DW and one other person were the only ones who
really enjoyed the 99%. But we had a very good dark milk 50%. Sure,
fewer catechins, but if it's about enjoying healthy foods in healthy
portions, not about counting this or that, why not a 5g piece of
Mangaro 50% (http://uk.cluizel.com/fr/single-plantation-chocolates/
mangaro-madagascar/5/19.html?
PHPSESSID=0647eb6a2e94bcb0666f1a7ce3fa2c3b).

I don't know much about dark chocolates, just what I read and now from
you.

Like Bob :
I like good chocolate (as always, in moderation), and once you get used to
eating the 70% stuff, the 50% stuff just doesn't taste good. On the other
hand, I've tried to eat the 99% stuff, and it's way too bitter for me.

Me too. I also think that 50% dark chocolate is still too sweet and
too much sugar in it. 70% dark chocolate is a good balance.
Most time, i can stop at at two 5g pieces, and the more cocoa in it,
the sooner I'll stop.

Xiaozhen
http://www.lowcarblowfathighfibrehig...n.blogspot.com

I have been eating low carb for over 3 years. I have lost nearly 60
pounds and kept it off. I have never used any "low carb product"--
nothing whatsoever, and I do not find low carb difficult to stick to.
I've never even tried any of those products. So for me, the existence
of those products has no bearing whatsoever on my ability to continue
eating low carb. The products are meaningless to me. People who use
the products are not truly committed to living differently and eating
healthy, IMHO.

On Apr 29, 8:24 am, "2Phat" wrote:
But low carb books do talk about abstaining from sugars and certain cards
and such. Atkins himself didn't even start discounting 'sugar alcohol's and
fiber until he started making products. They do not talk about having a low
carb product here and there. And I am referring to pre mass produced
products low carb books as I really don't know what changes any low carb
books made once the products took hold.

What I'm saying is the purity of low carb is gone, and pickles and ketchup
were not apart of that early purity, which is why it's harder to really do
low carb. Much harder now then it was before the mass production of
products.

Yes, good for maintenance but not good for weight reduction.

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On Apr 29, 4:43 am, "2Phat" wrote:
A long time ago I thought having low carb products in mass was a good
idea.
I thought it would make low carb easier. I thought low carb on the go
would
be easier. I thought cooking with low carb products would be easier.

And having many of these products available does make LC easier for
people who are really serious about doing it and are going to take the
time to read a book and figure out how to do it right. Products
like Hood LC milk, Heinz Ketchup, Mt Olive Sweet Pickles, LC
Tortillas, even LC shakes for a quick occasional meal, make it easier
for me. I think it's silly to attribute the bursting of the LC
bubble to LC products. It's well known that the vast majority of
people can't follow any diet. A lot jumped on LC due to all the
media attention it was getting in the early part of the decade.
Suddenly it became the "in" thing to try as a quick and easy
solution. Most figured they could do LC for a month or two, drop 20
lbs and then go back to their old ways. They would have failed with
or without the products.

What I've learned is low carb products in mass really hurts the low carb
dieter because it takes away the basic principal of low carb. Yes some
product development has been great for diabetics as they have much better
choices in foods that won't raise BSL's, and some other products are
excellent as they do not interfere with weight lose, but for the most
part
the snacks, legal treats, pre made shakes, breads, etc., have added to
low
carb being more of a fad then a life style change. The products are more
for maintenance but fool the dieter into thinking it's a part of the diet
phase.

I've come to realize low carb is at it's best when you are eating real
foods
for the weight lose phase and maybe a few 'products' when your in long
term
maintenance and incorporating the life style with your tastes. You still
have to be careful.

The marketing plan is, get a diet, it become popular people are losing
weight, get products, people stop losing weight and start struggling with
the diet.- Hide quoted text -

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After my experiences I have to agree.

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I have been eating low carb for over 3 years. I have lost nearly 60
pounds and kept it off. I have never used any "low carb product"--
nothing whatsoever, and I do not find low carb difficult to stick to.
I've never even tried any of those products. So for me, the existence
of those products has no bearing whatsoever on my ability to continue
eating low carb. The products are meaningless to me. People who use
the products are not truly committed to living differently and eating
healthy, IMHO.

On Apr 29, 8:24 am, "2Phat" wrote:
But low carb books do talk about abstaining from sugars and certain cards
and such. Atkins himself didn't even start discounting 'sugar alcohol's
and
fiber until he started making products. They do not talk about having a
low
carb product here and there. And I am referring to pre mass produced
products low carb books as I really don't know what changes any low carb
books made once the products took hold.

What I'm saying is the purity of low carb is gone, and pickles and
ketchup
were not apart of that early purity, which is why it's harder to really
do
low carb. Much harder now then it was before the mass production of
products.

Yes, good for maintenance but not good for weight reduction.

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On Apr 29, 4:43 am, "2Phat" wrote:
A long time ago I thought having low carb products in mass was a good
idea.
I thought it would make low carb easier. I thought low carb on the go
would
be easier. I thought cooking with low carb products would be easier.

And having many of these products available does make LC easier for
people who are really serious about doing it and are going to take the
time to read a book and figure out how to do it right. Products
like Hood LC milk, Heinz Ketchup, Mt Olive Sweet Pickles, LC
Tortillas, even LC shakes for a quick occasional meal, make it easier
for me. I think it's silly to attribute the bursting of the LC
bubble to LC products. It's well known that the vast majority of
people can't follow any diet. A lot jumped on LC due to all the
media attention it was getting in the early part of the decade.
Suddenly it became the "in" thing to try as a quick and easy
solution. Most figured they could do LC for a month or two, drop 20
lbs and then go back to their old ways. They would have failed with
or without the products.

What I've learned is low carb products in mass really hurts the low
carb
dieter because it takes away the basic principal of low carb. Yes
some
product development has been great for diabetics as they have much
better
choices in foods that won't raise BSL's, and some other products are
excellent as they do not interfere with weight lose, but for the most
part
the snacks, legal treats, pre made shakes, breads, etc., have added to
low
carb being more of a fad then a life style change. The products are
more
for maintenance but fool the dieter into thinking it's a part of the
diet
phase.

I've come to realize low carb is at it's best when you are eating real
foods
for the weight lose phase and maybe a few 'products' when your in long
term
maintenance and incorporating the life style with your tastes. You
still
have to be careful.

The marketing plan is, get a diet, it become popular people are losing
weight, get products, people stop losing weight and start struggling
with
the diet.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On May 5, 10:56 am, XiaoZhen wrote:
On May 4, 9:23 pm, Hollywood wrote:

Why low-fat yogurt? Why not something more like full fat, active
culture yogurt. Less sugar (the microbes eat it) and more good stuff
for you. More calories, sure, but still. Greek Yogurt, very nice and
part of my LC lifestyle.

I like low fat frozen yoghurt best, and I haven't seen one that is
full fat. For me, not taking too much fat is good in keeping my
triglycerides low and possibly good for my heart. I take butter too,
but not margarine.

Interesting. But low fat frozen yogurt is full of sugar, generally
speaking. Or some carb. Again, I'll take the fat, eat live culture
yogurt, and call it a day. But, different strokes for different folks.

I can do 1 sq of 5g dark chocolate. I know people who can't stop with
one or 8. So, it's a question of benefit. They can get their anti-
oxidants from the chocolate, but if they binge, why bother? Different
strokes for folks.

PS- If you haven't had Cluizel's Mangaro Milk 50%, you're missing out.
Most of his 1er Cru single origin chocolates come in under 70%. I
think nearly all of them. The Mangaro Dark is only 65%. Very very very
nice. Lots of flavor notes. It's a fun hobby and cheaper than wine,
imho. Even at the pricey end.

On May 5, 9:07 am, "2Phat" wrote:
Does it really matter?? Top, Bottom?? In the long run it's about sharing,
exchanging and communicating.

And when people read so much into a person who give a few sentences they set
themselves up for a host of unfounded preconceived prejudices.

When you get back to adding worthwhile comment, it might matter. At
present, it doesn't.

I love the freedom being kill filed by a child gives me.

XiaoZhen writes:

I like low fat frozen yoghurt best, and I haven't seen one that is
full fat.

I haven't either. All the ones on the shelves here are low-fat.
That's why I take one home and use it as a starter to make yogurt out
of whole Jersey milk that's about 5% fat or so.

Unfortunately, I don't seem to like yogurt. It's easy to turn it into
cream cheese, though, and I also try to find recipes that use it.
Hmm, maybe stirring some chocolate powder into it?

For me, not taking too much fat is good in keeping my triglycerides
low and possibly good for my heart.

I think that myth has been pretty well debunked. Certain fats,
especially the manufactured ones, may be bad for you; but natural
animal fats just aren't, on balance. Even the fats that might be bad
in something like a steak are outweighed by the good ones in there.



--
Aaron -- 285/235/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz

"Did my reputation precede me, or was I too quick for it?"

On May 6, 11:32 am, "Pat" wrote:
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I have been eating low carb for over 3 years. I have lost nearly 60
pounds and kept it off. I have never used any "low carb product"--
nothing whatsoever, and I do not find low carb difficult to stick to.
I've never even tried any of those products. So for me, the existence
of those products has no bearing whatsoever on my ability to continue
eating low carb. The products are meaningless to me. People who use
the products are not truly committed to living differently and eating
healthy, IMHO.

However, it really isn't "all about you." There are many diabetic people who
use those products.So, quit judging other people until you know what you are
talking about.

Pat in TX

Yes, exactly. I guess Dr. Atkins wasn't committed to LC either
because he had no problem with people using substitutes, like
artificial sweetners, or products that contained them, going back even
30 years ago.

No one is saying anyone has to use any particular food item or
product. But I don't see the need to make sweeping judgements about
others because they choose to use some LC products. It's hard for me
to imagine that putting some LC Heinz Ketchup on a hamburger or some
sucralose in my coffee makes me less committed than someone who
chooses not to.

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I have been eating low carb for over 3 years. I have lost nearly 60
pounds and kept it off. I have never used any "low carb product"--
nothing whatsoever, and I do not find low carb difficult to stick to.
I've never even tried any of those products. So for me, the existence
of those products has no bearing whatsoever on my ability to continue
eating low carb. The products are meaningless to me. People who use
the products are not truly committed to living differently and eating
healthy, IMHO.

However, it really isn't "all about you." There are many diabetic people who
use those products.So, quit judging other people until you know what you are
talking about.

Pat in TX

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No, I didn't read your blog. I was put off my your "low carb, low fat,
high fiber, high protein" nonsense. I didn't see any reason to read it
after seeing that.

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roger,
why not read it and THEN argue if you must.
i found it informative.....................she looks great!