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Why Bad Diets Are Bad?
Billy wrote:
Who_me? wrote: Two: The Atkins Diet, according to the Atkins group itself, died several years ago when they had to file for chapter eleven protection - as NO ONE was buying the product ... The heart of the program is the book - "Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #14,084 in Books" It's still selling well according to Amazon. There has never been any need for any product to eat the food of the plan. That's why products with the Atkins name eventually failed. They aren't really on the core plan in that sense. They are supporting cast for new folks who haven't retaught themselves how to shop for At-food yet. It is far better to follow the Atkins process without ever using one Atkins labelled product at all than it is to use Atkins labelled products on a daily basis. The foods are mostly processed junk that served as crutches. The supplements are excellent quality but more expensive than even the equivalents from GNC. Good quality supplements are easily found and not really necessary unless you extend Induction against the standard two week flow of the default core plan. Doing that is allowed and that's not the same thing as either required or a part of the default core plan itself. Wha'chew doing in a group like this? Giving folks chances to repeat stuff that hasn't been discussed in a while. He isn't completely bad in that sense. Enough folks have not put him in their kill files that some discussion remains visible on the group. Some traffic beats old traffic, especially when it cycles through an assortment of topics that are old hat to all of the regulars but that might not be known to new readers. |
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On Aug 17, 11:25*am, Doug Freyburger wrote:
Billy wrote: *Who_me? wrote: Two: The Atkins Diet, according to the Atkins group itself, died several years ago when they had to file for chapter eleven protection - as NO ONE was buying the product ... As I pointed out to the troll previously, if he were as familiar with LC as he claims to be, he would know that about 10 years ago there was a sudden and big increase in interest in LC. Not just Atkins, but LC in general. Guys like Taubes were writing articles in the NY Times that were supportive of LC and the concept took off. Hence, a large number of companies came out with LC specific products. It was not an Atkins company specific thing. His diet was popular for decades before there were any Atkins diet products. And it remains one of the most popular LC diets today. The big interest in LC fell off just as rapidly as it suddenly increased. That caused difficulties for not only Atkins but many others from companies both those specifically marketing diet products as well as large, traditional food companies. Any rational person knows it has nothing to do with whether the Atkins diet is safe, effective and popular. And now we have the Dukan diet, which the troll says is peechy keen and what he does. Remarkably, it's very similar to ATkins. Gee, wonder where Dukan got the idea from? In fact it starts you off at zero carbs for 10 days, with NO VEGETABLES and puts you in ketosis. Exposed as a fool for endorsing it, while claiming Atkins is unsafe and will make your kidneys fall out, troll is now left to bitch about the bankruptcy of Atkins nutritional, which made LC products. And even in that he exposes his ignorance once again, by claiming that those products are no longer available. Go into Walmart and they are right there in the diet food section. They have the Atkins bars and Atkins shakes. They are also in health food stores, GNC, etc. Clearly troll is just that, a troll and a clueless one at that. The heart of the program is the book - "Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #14,084 in Books" *It's still selling well according to Amazon. There has never been any need for any product to eat the food of the plan. That's why products with the Atkins name eventually failed. They aren't really on the core plan in that sense. They are supporting cast for new folks who haven't retaught themselves how to shop for At-food yet. It is far better to follow the Atkins process without ever using one Atkins labelled product at all than it is to use Atkins labelled products on a daily basis. *The foods are mostly processed junk that served as crutches. *The supplements are excellent quality but more expensive than even the equivalents from GNC. *Good quality supplements are easily found and not really necessary unless you extend Induction against the standard two week flow of the default core plan. *Doing that is allowed and that's not the same thing as either required or a part of the default core plan itself. Agree, there was never a need to use the Atkins products. Nor did he ever claim that you had to. I think they are fine in moderation, for example carrying a bar around in case you get hungry and want a snack handy. I agree they should never be a core part of the diet and if you can't use them in moderation it's better to stay away from them all together. |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:20:59 +1000, Who_me?
wrote: Not from Atkins nutritionals - unless of course they are very old stock. Unless the Atkins group is lying to investigators. Of course there are many products that are completely unassociated with the Atkins group (most out of Taiwan and China) that mention their product as "suitable" for low carb diets and use the Atkins name as one such diet. There have been no original Atkins products here for more than a decade and the health food stores that used to stock them had notices many years ago to the effect that they were no longer in production. Two points: If memory serves, Atkins Nutritionals didn't file for bankruptcy until 2005. While it is conceivable that none of their products were available for "more than a decade" in your area, that would suggest that you live in a rather isolated place with very little in the way of retailers who might carry such a product. Since the minimum time your "more than a decade" would cover would be back to the year 2000, that means that nothing from them was available even during the years when Lowcarb was suddenly faddishly popular. Even if that somehow happened in your area, do you consider your area to be representative of the entire country? And did you actually search for the product, or did you simply note that the store that you regularly shopped at no longer carried that product (and from that you generalized to there being none available anywhere in your area)? Also if memory serves, Atkins Nutritional came out of bankruptcy (as many companies do) the following year (2006). They belonged to someone new, but the company still existed and still produced several products under the old name. (I think they were sold again in 2010, but are still operating.) I see them on store shelves in some of the stores I frequent, but as I don't purchase those products I don't particularly notice how many products there now are verses what was available during the years when Lowcarb was "In". |
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Who_me? wrote: On 18/08/11 3:50 AM, wrote: On Aug 17, 11:25 am, Doug wrote: Billy wrote: wrote: Two: The Atkins Diet, according to the Atkins group itself, died several years ago when they had to file for chapter eleven protection - as NO ONE was buying the product ... As I pointed out to the troll previously, Let me see. I am posting in a low carb news group. I am and have been for decades a low carb follower, I fully support effective low carb lifestyles, I am a successful extremely long term low carb fitness enthusiast, I have said nothing against low carb diets other than taking them to extremes as Atkins does. I am not alone in my opinion of Atkins, most medical and health/fitness professionals disparaged his diet as potentially dangerously extreme, yet because I don't agree with your blind obeisance to the God Atkins - I am a troll? What are you? A newbie? You don't seem to understand that a troll is not simply someone who disagrees with you. (Is your Mother-in-Law a troll?) if he were as familiar with LC as he claims to be, Apparently much more familiar than you. My mind doesn't close when not standing in the shadow of Atkins. he would know that about 10 years ago there was a sudden and big increase in interest in LC. Not just Atkins, but LC in general. Guys like Taubes were writing articles in the NY Times that were supportive of LC and the concept took off. Hence, a large number of companies came out with LC specific products. It was not an Atkins company specific thing. His diet was popular for decades before there were any Atkins diet products. And it remains one of the most popular LC diets today. The big interest in LC fell off just as rapidly as it suddenly increased. That caused difficulties for not only Atkins but many others from companies both those specifically marketing diet products as well as large, traditional food companies. Any rational person knows it has nothing to do with whether the Atkins diet is safe, effective and popular. No, of course not. It is completely normal for people to stop buying popular products. (Do you realise just how ludicrous some of your statement are?) And now we have the Dukan diet, which the troll says is peechy keen and what he does. I have not said any such thing. I said that it echoes my diet - not the initial phase, just the ongoing (over several decades) diet. Remarkably, it's very similar to ATkins. Gee, wonder where Dukan got the idea from? The Dukan diet is more than thirty years old - for years (until recently when an English translation of his book) many people simply referred to it as "the French Diet" and marveled at how French women stayed so slim and sexy. It is far from a copy of Atkins. Also Atkins did NOT invent the Atkins diet, he never claimed to do so, he just promoted it. How familiar did you imply that you were with low carb? In fact it starts you off at zero carbs for 10 days,with NO VEGETABLES and puts you in ketosis. Wrong - read it again - or don't you actually have a copy of the real book? You seem to be parroting misinformation. Exposed as a fool for endorsing it, while claiming Atkins is unsafe and will make your kidneys fall out, Yeah, you have to watch your step, when your kidneys fall out they are slippery and could lead to a nasty fall. troll is now left to bitch about the bankruptcy of Atkins nutritional, which made LC products. And even in that he exposes his ignorance once again, by claiming that those products are no longer available. Go into Walmart and they are right there in the diet food section. Not from Atkins nutritionals - unless of course they are very old stock. Unless the Atkins group is lying to investigators. Of course there are many products that are completely unassociated with the Atkins group (most out of Taiwan and China) that mention their product as "suitable" for low carb diets and use the Atkins name as one such diet. There have been no original Atkins products here for more than a decade and the health food stores that used to stock them had notices many years ago to the effect that they were no longer in production. Again, no citations, all opinions. -- - Billy Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse." http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/ [W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itąs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatąs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donąt get away with no taxation. - Ralph Nader http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis |
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On Aug 18, 12:49*am, (Harold Groot) wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:20:59 +1000, Who_me? wrote: Not from Atkins nutritionals - unless of course they are very old stock. Unless the Atkins group is lying to investigators. Of course there are many products that are completely unassociated with the Atkins group (most out of Taiwan and China) that mention their product as "suitable" for low carb diets and use the Atkins name as one such diet. There have been no original Atkins products here for more than a decade and the health food stores that used to stock them had notices many years ago to the effect that they were no longer in production. Two points: If memory serves, Atkins Nutritionals didn't file for bankruptcy until 2005. *While it is conceivable that none of their products were available for "more than a decade" in your area, that would suggest that you live in a rather isolated place with very little in the way of retailers who might carry such a product. *Since the minimum time your "more than a decade" would cover would be back to the year 2000, that means that nothing from them was available even during the years when Lowcarb was suddenly faddishly popular. *Even if that somehow happened in your area, do you consider your area to be representative of the entire country? *And did you actually search for the product, or did you simply note that the store that you regularly shopped at no longer carried that product (and from that you generalized to there being none available anywhere in your area)? Also if memory serves, Atkins Nutritional came out of bankruptcy (as many companies do) the following year (2006). *They belonged to someone new, but the company still existed and still produced several products under the old name. *(I think they were sold again in 2010, but are still operating.) *I see them on store shelves in some of the stores I frequent, but as I don't purchase those products I don't particularly notice how many products there now are verses what was available during the years when Lowcarb was "In". Harold, it's quite incredible how this troll continues to make a total ass of himself. Of course you are right, which is that Atkins Nutritionals is in business and selling Atkins diet products. As I stated before, they are available here in the NYC area at Walmart, GNC, drug stores. Very common and easy to find. As for Atkins Nutritionals, here's what Bloomberg/Business Week has to say: http://investing.businessweek.com/re...vcapId=3007335 Company Overview Atkins Nutritionals, Inc. manufactures and sells weight control nutrition bars, foods, and shakes. Its products are used by men and women for weight loss and weight management applications. The company markets its products through a network of retail stores, as well as online in the United States and internationally. Atkins Nutritionals, Inc. was formerly known as Atkins Complementary Formulations, Inc. and changed its name in 1998. The company was founded in 1989 and is based in Denver, Colorado. Atkins Nutritionals, Inc. operates as a subsidiary of Atkins Nutritionals Holdings, Inc. Here is the company's website: http://www.atkins.com/ContactUs.aspx So, now what troll is posting, which is that the company no longer exists and the products are no longer available is not only wrong, but it's libelous. |
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On Aug 17, 10:20*pm, Who_me? wrote:
On 18/08/11 3:50 AM, wrote: On Aug 17, 11:25 am, Doug *wrote: Billy wrote: * *wrote: Two: The Atkins Diet, according to the Atkins group itself, died several years ago when they had to file for chapter eleven protection - as NO ONE was buying the product ... As I pointed out to the troll previously, Let me see. I am posting in a low carb news group. I am and have been for decades a low carb follower, I fully support effective low carb lifestyles, I am a successful extremely long term low carb fitness enthusiast, I have said nothing against low carb diets other than taking them to extremes as Atkins does. First, there is nothing extreme about Atkins. Second, it's laughable that you claim Atkins is extreme, while endorsing Dukan. Atkins starts you out eating a variety of proteins, fat, and vegetables, with a limit of 20g of carbs a day for the first two weeks. Dukan starts you out on pure protein and no vegetables for the first 10 says. So, clearly you either are a troll or did not know much about either diet and got yourself into a blind corner. Rather than admit it, you continue to make an ass of yourself. Funny how in a LC newgroup you have 6 regulars here that all agree you're full of BS. There is not one person here that supports or even believes you. I am not alone in my opinion of Atkins, most medical and health/fitness professionals disparaged his diet as potentially dangerously extreme, yet because I don't agree with your blind obeisance to the God Atkins - I am a troll? No, you're a troll because you've done everything you could to try to discredit Atkins. From bringing up the old crap about his autopsy weight, to claiming Atkins Nutritional products are no longer available. Who should we believe, you or our eyes: http://www.atkins.com/ContactUs.aspx And you're a troll because you endorsed the Dukan diet. How the hell can Atkins be called extreme, while Dukan which starts you off at zero carb and zero fat, not be? How can Atkins damage your kidneys, while Dukan does not? Why don't you say that Dukan is unsafe and unhealthy? And you're a troll because you continue to make the claim that most medical and health experts disparage the Atkins diet. I've already provided you with links that actually much worse is said about Dukan. Yet, here you are slamming Atkins while endorsing Dukan. Here's some more of what "experts" say about Dukan: According to Zuckerbrot, the Dukan Diet already has a bad reputation in the world of dietitians. “France’s National Agency for Food, Environmental and Work Health Safety pointed out the Dukan Diet as one of 15 imbalanced and potentially risky diets. The British Dietetic Association, has also listed the Dukan Diet as one of the five worst diets of 2011,” she said. By eliminating key foods from your diet, Zuckerbrot said Dukan’s plan can create a nutrition deficiency as well as high cholesterol and even kidney problems." Now note that I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with the above, just that if you're not a troll, why do you bring up similar stuff against Atkins, while endorsing Dukan? And you're a troll because you have not backed up ANYTHING you've claimed in this thread with a reference. For example, you claimed that all overweight people do not have normal kidney function. Let's start with that one. Show us a reference. What are you? A newbie? You don't seem to understand that a troll is not simply someone who disagrees with you. (Is your Mother-in-Law a troll?) if he were as familiar with LC as he claims to be, Apparently much more familiar than you. My mind doesn't close when not standing in the shadow of Atkins. If you know so much, then why did you claim that Atkins is dangerous and will ruin your kidneys while Dukan will not? We're still waiting for the answer to that one. he would know that about 10 years ago there was a sudden and big increase in interest in LC. *Not just Atkins, but LC in general. *Guys like Taubes were writing articles in the NY Times that were supportive of LC and the concept took off. *Hence, a large number of companies came out with LC specific products. *It was not an Atkins company specific thing. *His diet was popular for decades before there were any Atkins diet products. *And it remains one of the most popular LC diets today. The big interest in LC fell off just as rapidly as it suddenly increased. *That caused difficulties for not only Atkins but many others from companies both those specifically marketing diet products as well as large, traditional food companies. Any rational person knows it has nothing to do with whether the Atkins diet is safe, effective and popular. No, of course not. It is completely normal for people to stop buying popular products. (Do you realise just how ludicrous some of your statement are?) Do you realize how stupid you are? LC reached a fad status briefly about 10 years ago. When things returned to normal there was less demand for all kinds of LC products from virtually every company that made them. It was NOT Atkins specific. 10 years ago the supermarket shelves were full of products marketed specifically as LC, everything from cereal to barbecue sauce. Today, that number is greatly reduced because LC dieting of all types is just not as popular. It has nothing to do with Atkins specifically. Atkins never said that you had to use any specific LC products at all, whether from his company or any other company. Yet, being a troll, you try to link the boom/bust of LC to Atkins. Was not your boy Dukan around then too? Oh, wait. It was precisely during that boom that he choose to publish his book. If he sold more books in 2001 than he does today, does that mean his diet is a failure too? And now we have the Dukan diet, which the troll says is peechy keen and what he does. I have not said any such thing. I said that it echoes my diet - not the initial phase, just the ongoing (over several decades) diet. Yeah, you added that "ongoing" qualifier after you endorsed Dukan and apparently then realized that it starts you out with pure protein and in ketosis. So, of course you try to weasel out of it. Let me help you out here. The Dukan diet has 4 phases, non of which is referred to as "ongoing". They are attack, cruise, consolidation, stabilization. So, once again, you don't even know the Dukan terms. But assuming you mean that you're in the stabilization phase, let's compare apples to apples. Tell us why Dukan stabilization is peachy keen, but Atkins maintenance is unhealthy and damaging to your kidneys. Remarkably, * it's very similar to ATkins. *Gee, wonder where Dukan got the idea from? The Dukan diet is more than thirty years old - for years (until recently when an English translation of his book) many people simply referred to it as *"the French Diet" and marveled at how French women stayed so slim and sexy. It is far from a copy of Atkins. Also Atkins did NOT invent the Atkins diet, he never claimed to do so, he just promoted it. How familiar did you imply that you were with low carb? A lot more familiar than you. Let me help you out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukan_Diet "In 1975, Pierre Dukan was a general practitioner in Paris when he was first confronted with a case of obesity. At the time, being overweight or obese was thought to be best treated by low calorie and small sized meals. Dukan thought of an alternative way to prevent patients from regaining their lost weight. He designed a new approach in 4 phases, including stabilisation and consolidation. After 20 odd years of research Pierre Dukan published his findings in 2000 in his book Je ne sais pas maigrir (I don't know how to get slimmer) which became a best seller." Now, folks, let's consider the facts. Atkins had followed a similar path. He tried low carbing himself, starting in the early 60's, then started using it on patients for about a decade refining it over time. He came out with his first book, Dr. Atkins Diet Revolution, with the actual diet plan in 1972. That's right, Atkins first book was out for 3 years and was a best seller BEFORE Dukan was first confronted with a case of obesity. Dukan published his book in 2000, offering a diet plan remarkably similar to Atkins, right down to using four phases. I'll leave it for reasonable people to make their own judgements as to what really happened here. In fact it starts you off at zero carbs for 10 days,with NO VEGETABLES and puts you in ketosis. Wrong - read it again - or don't you actually have a copy of the real book? You seem to be parroting misinformation. Since you know so much, provide a reference for the list of vegetables allowed in the attack phase. The only thing I can find that is even made from what might be considered a vegetable is tofu. On Atkins you'd be eating broccoli, spinach, pumpkin, squahs, turnips, bean sprouts, string beans..... I could list dozens more. Give us the Dukan list reference. troll is now left to bitch about the bankruptcy of Atkins nutritional, which made LC products. *And even in that he exposes his ignorance once again, by claiming that those products are no longer available. *Go into Walmart and they are right there in the diet food section. Not from Atkins nutritionals - unless of course they are very old stock. Unless the Atkins group is lying to investigators. Of course there are many products that are completely unassociated with the Atkins group (most out of Taiwan and China) that mention their product as "suitable" for low carb diets and use the Atkins name as one such diet. A lie which is libelous: http://www.atkins.com/ContactUs.aspx CONTACT US 1-800-6-ATKINS Mailing Address: Atkins Nutritionals, Inc. 1050 17th Street, Suite 1000 Denver, CO 80265 There have been no original Atkins products here for more than a decade and the health food stores that used to stock them had notices many years ago to the effect that they were no longer in production.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Apparently you live in a cave, but far more likely, being a troll you're lying again. No Walmarts in your cave? No GNC? You apparently have internet access, don't you know how to find online stores? |
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On 18/08/11 9:53 PM, wrote:
On Aug 17, 10:20 pm, wrote: On 18/08/11 3:50 AM, wrote: On Aug 17, 11:25 am, Doug wrote: Billy wrote: wrote: Two: The Atkins Diet, according to the Atkins group itself, died several years ago when they had to file for chapter eleven protection - as NO ONE was buying the product ... As I pointed out to the troll previously, Let me see. I am posting in a low carb news group. I am and have been for decades a low carb follower, I fully support effective low carb lifestyles, I am a successful extremely long term low carb fitness enthusiast, I have said nothing against low carb diets other than taking them to extremes as Atkins does. First, there is nothing extreme about Atkins. The only thing that I can gather from that claim is that you are not, nor ever have been a fit person. Maybe you lost some weight with Atkins, but that is far as you have gone. It does not support strength or endurance sports. If it can do real damage to an athlete, then it is extreme, even if all you do is sit on a couch and worship Atkins. Second, it's laughable that you claim Atkins is extreme, while endorsing Dukan. Atkins starts you out eating a variety of proteins, fat, and vegetables, with a limit of 20g of carbs a day for the first two weeks. Dukan starts you out on pure protein and no vegetables for the first 10 says. Once again - READ THE BOOK. You clearly haven't. So, clearly you either are a troll or did not know much about either diet and got yourself into a blind corner. Rather than admit it, you continue to make an ass of yourself. No, even though making an ass of myself would probably make it easier to blend in with people like yourself. Funny how in a LC newgroup you have 6 regulars here that all agree you're full of BS. There is not one person here that supports or even believes you. Should I burst in sobs now - or just laugh. (I think I will compromise and just have a little chuckle.) I wasn't looking for fat people, I was looking for fit people. There is more than just one vowel difference, but I doubt that you will ever experience it if you really think that there is no problem with Atkins. I am not alone in my opinion of Atkins, most medical and health/fitness professionals disparaged his diet as potentially dangerously extreme, yet because I don't agree with your blind obeisance to the God Atkins - I am a troll? No, you're a troll because you've done everything you could to try to discredit Atkins. No, that was happening many years ago - headed by his peers. From bringing up the old crap about his autopsy weight, It gets a good reaction - truth seems to hurt some people. to claiming Atkins Nutritional products are no longer available. Who should we believe, you or our eyes: They haven't been for some years. http://www.atkins.com/ContactUs.aspx That is US only, and they are a food retailer, not a diet company according to their own blurb. This is the internet, an international forum. Are you so naive that you don't realise that? Atkins was world wide until it folded. It has NOT come back anywhere that I visit. And you're a troll because you endorsed the Dukan diet. How the hell can Atkins be called extreme, while Dukan which starts you off at zero carb and zero fat, not be? How can Atkins damage your kidneys, while Dukan does not? Why don't you say that Dukan is unsafe and unhealthy? You are repeating yourself. You clearly have not read Dukan. And you're a troll because you continue to make the claim that most medical and health experts disparage the Atkins diet. They do. Try the American Heart Foundation and the Harvard School of Health and work down from there. I've already provided you with links that actually much worse is said about Dukan. Yet, here you are slamming Atkins while endorsing Dukan. I can find links to research that insists that mother's milk is bad for babies. Here's some more of what "experts" say about Dukan: According to Zuckerbrot, the Dukan Diet already has a bad reputation in the world of dietitians. “France’s National Agency for Food, Environmental and Work Health Safety pointed out the Dukan Diet as one of 15 imbalanced and potentially risky diets. The British Dietetic Association, has also listed the Dukan Diet as one of the five worst diets of 2011,” she said. By eliminating key foods from your diet, Zuckerbrot said Dukan’s plan can create a nutrition deficiency as well as high cholesterol and even kidney problems." Yet is is less severe than Atkins - if you actually read the book and not rely on some one who is probably as non-knowledgeable as yourself. Now note that I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with the above, just that if you're not a troll, why do you bring up similar stuff against Atkins, while endorsing Dukan? Smarten up. I didn't endorse Dukan - what I said, and repeated, was that Dukan's maintenance phase is similar to my own diet. I said very clearly that I had NOT done the Dukan diet. And you're a troll because you have not backed up ANYTHING you've claimed in this thread with a reference. For example, you claimed that all overweight people do not have normal kidney function. Let's start with that one. Show us a reference. Ok, get me a room full of fat people with recent full medical work-ups and I'll read them out to you. BTW, not all, just most. Be accurate. What are you? A newbie? You don't seem to understand that a troll is not simply someone who disagrees with you. (Is your Mother-in-Law a troll?) if he were as familiar with LC as he claims to be, Apparently much more familiar than you. My mind doesn't close when not standing in the shadow of Atkins. If you know so much, then why did you claim that Atkins is dangerous and will ruin your kidneys while Dukan will not? We're still waiting for the answer to that one. You learn what Dukan really is - read the book instead of parroting inaccurate rubbish and you won't need to have soemone else answer for you. he would know that about 10 years ago there was a sudden and big increase in interest in LC. Not just Atkins, but LC in general. Guys like Taubes were writing articles in the NY Times that were supportive of LC and the concept took off. Hence, a large number of companies came out with LC specific products. It was not an Atkins company specific thing. His diet was popular for decades before there were any Atkins diet products. And it remains one of the most popular LC diets today. The big interest in LC fell off just as rapidly as it suddenly increased. That caused difficulties for not only Atkins but many others from companies both those specifically marketing diet products as well as large, traditional food companies. Any rational person knows it has nothing to do with whether the Atkins diet is safe, effective and popular. No, of course not. It is completely normal for people to stop buying popular products. (Do you realise just how ludicrous some of your statement are?) Do you realize how stupid you are? LC reached a fad status briefly about 10 years ago. When things returned to normal there was less demand for all kinds of LC products from virtually every company that made them. It was NOT Atkins specific. Crap. Other low carb diet took up the slack - diets that are still popular and supported. The fad was Atkins and apparently you are still being "faddish", well after most people walked away. 10 years ago the supermarket shelves were full of products marketed specifically as LC, everything from cereal to barbecue sauce. Today, that number is greatly reduced because LC dieting of all types is just not as popular. It has nothing to do with Atkins specifically. Atkins never said that you had to use any specific LC products at all, whether from his company or any other company. Yet, being a troll, you try to link the boom/bust of LC to Atkins. Was not your boy Dukan around then too? Oh, wait. It was precisely during that boom that he choose to publish his book. No, it was several years before that he published and ENGLISH LANGUAGE version, It was available in French well before that. he sold more books in 2001 than he does today, does that mean his diet is a failure too? His diet is still making headlines and getting written up in women's magazines as currently as this week. And now we have the Dukan diet, which the troll says is peechy keen and what he does. I have not said any such thing. I said that it echoes my diet - not the initial phase, just the ongoing (over several decades) diet. Yeah, you added that "ongoing" qualifier after you endorsed Dukan and apparently then realized that it starts you out with pure protein and in ketosis. So, of course you try to weasel out of it. Let me help you out here. The Dukan diet has 4 phases, non of which is referred to as "ongoing". They are attack, cruise, consolidation, stabilization. So, once again, you don't even know the Dukan terms. I do. Would you like them in French - my first language? You can keep on supporting Atkins, I would be surprised if you didn't, but if you want to do more than just lose some weight, you really should look at other low carb options. If you are happier being a fat person in hiding from his appetite - go for it. I like to both live and enjoy life. |
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Why Bad Diets Are Bad?
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:06:27 +1000, Who_me?
wrote: The only thing that I can gather from that claim is that you are not, nor ever have been a fit person. Maybe you lost some weight with Atkins, but that is far as you have gone. It does not support strength or endurance sports. If it can do real damage to an athlete, then it is extreme, even if all you do is sit on a couch and worship Atkins. It does ZERO damage to an athlete, but competitive athletes will usually want to keep their carb counts a bit higher than a non-athlete might, especially when training. Depen ding on how their body responds. And losing weight (in and of itself) allows one to become more fit, right? And for many people, low-carb is really the only way for them to lose weight. [...] Funny how in a LC newgroup you have 6 regulars here that all agree you're full of BS. There is not one person here that supports or even believes you. Should I burst in sobs now - or just laugh. (I think I will compromise and just have a little chuckle.) I wasn't looking for fat people, I was looking for fit people. There is more than just one vowel difference, but I doubt that you will ever experience it if you really think that there is no problem with Atkins. Countless studies have proven that low-carb diets (including Atkins) are not only healthy, but better at losing wieght and keeping it off. That you're not aware of any of them is disturbing. From bringing up the old crap about his autopsy weight, It gets a good reaction - truth seems to hurt some people. Define truth. http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/atkins.asp I'm going with the hospital's medical records. How 'bout you? to claiming Atkins Nutritional products are no longer available. Who should we believe, you or our eyes: They haven't been for some years. http://www.atkins.com/ContactUs.aspx That is US only, and they are a food retailer, not a diet company according to their own blurb. So what? They're available in Latin America, UK, Canada, Norway, Sweden, Australia, The Netherlands, New Zealand, The Middle East, and India. http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=80046042556 And they're probably available in France, too. This is the internet, an international forum. Are you so naive that you don't realise that? Atkins was world wide until it folded. It has NOT come back anywhere that I visit. Don't get out much, EH? [...] “France’s National Agency for Food, Environmental and Work Health Safety pointed out the Dukan Diet as one of 15 imbalanced and potentially risky diets. The British Dietetic Association, has also listed the Dukan Diet as one of the five worst diets of 2011,” she said. By eliminating key foods from your diet, Zuckerbrot said Dukan’s plan can create a nutrition deficiency as well as high cholesterol and even kidney problems." Yet is is less severe than Atkins - if you actually read the book and not rely on some one who is probably as non-knowledgeable as yourself. Please explain in detail how and why you think the Dukan diet is "less severe" than Atkins. If you know so much, then why did you claim that Atkins is dangerous and will ruin your kidneys while Dukan will not? We're still waiting for the answer to that one. You learn what Dukan really is - read the book instead of parroting inaccurate rubbish and you won't need to have soemone else answer for you. You're supoosedly the Dukan expert. The burden's on you. Put up or shut up. [...] Do you realize how stupid you are? LC reached a fad status briefly about 10 years ago. When things returned to normal there was less demand for all kinds of LC products from virtually every company that made them. It was NOT Atkins specific. Crap. Other low carb diet took up the slack - diets that are still popular and supported. The fad was Atkins and apparently you are still being "faddish", well after most people walked away. The Paleo, Primal, Caveman, etc. diets are essentially the Atkins diet, and are the new "fad." [...] Yeah, you added that "ongoing" qualifier after you endorsed Dukan and apparently then realized that it starts you out with pure protein and in ketosis. So, of course you try to weasel out of it. Let me help you out here. The Dukan diet has 4 phases, non of which is referred to as "ongoing". They are attack, cruise, consolidation, stabilization. So, once again, you don't even know the Dukan terms. I do. Would you like them in French - my first language? So...you're French, EH? Well, that explains it. You can keep on supporting Atkins, I would be surprised if you didn't, but if you want to do more than just lose some weight, you really should look at other low carb options. If you are happier being a fat person in hiding from his appetite - go for it. I like to both live and enjoy life. I support the low-carb way of eating, including Atkins. I support people finding their own best way of eating, one that helps them lose weight, become healthy and fit, and one that they can maintain. For me, that's Atkins, Paleo, Primal or whatever else you want to call it. Hell, Dukan's probably pretty good, too. Whatever floats your boat! -- Dogman |
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