The Biggest Loser - Episode 2

"Chet Hayes" wrote in message
om...
I don't know what to make of this show. It really is quite amazing
watching what these people are willing to put themselves through and
the trainers that are pushing them to kill themselves to try to win
$200K. IMO, the whole thing is unethical and I wouldn't be suprised
if they wound up killing someone. Do sane doctors believe it's ok to
do this to morbidly obese people?

Then there are the trainers. The girl is a real trip. They are all
on some type of carb restriced diet, though exactly what they eat is
left a mystery. So, the second week, they lose very little compared
to the first week. The guy who lost 22 lbs the first week, gained
back 3 this week and broke down crying like it was a total failure and
the end of the world. The trainer proceeds to tell them all that it's
because she pushed them so hard they hit a plateau early. What a
joke. Obviously she doesn't understand anything about low carb or she
would know that the first week you typically lose a lot more because
of water loss, which doesn't recur.

Perhaps the most amazing thing is the unrealistic expectations these
people all have. It took them 15 years to get fat and they expect to
lose 10 lbs a week, just because they are killing themselves with all
kinds of excercise that is very likely only marginally helpful in
losing weight. If I were doing this, I'd have them on Atkins and
doing as much aerobic excercise as they can comfortably handle, not
feeding them God knows what and making a 400lb guy do crunchs till he
throws up. And I bet they'd lose as much or more weight with a
fraction of the effort and physical risk.

I wonder what viewers make of all this. I envision millions of fat
people sitting at home saying "If this is how hard it is and what I
have to do to lose weight, why bother at all?" And as for the contest
itself, it makes little sense when you have huge 300-400 lb guys
competing against women that way half that. How could the smaller
women possibly win?


I consider this show to be a real menace...truly dangerous for those
gullible people who might try something similar. It simply isn't healthy to
try to lose that much weight that fast, and some of those people are in such
poor physical condition that I think they may risk a stroke or heart attack
by following the advice of those "trainers." Those on the show may have
been given thorough physical exams, but what all those viewers in TV-land???
In my opinion, this is a disgrace! It's one thing to have "reality" shows
that simply attract viewers but it is entirely something else to promote
something so dangerous.

MaryL

Well, let's hope that most of the people watching did get a medical
check-up,,,,and we all know TV is fantasy,,,,but I am talking from personal
experience alone,,,I got fat from eating and not doing exercise, and looking
at the show makes me want to move my lazy arse and do more than I did in the
past,,,,,so I've been going to the gym 3 times a week and pushing
myself,,,,but not to the point of throwing up. I just know I'm capable of
doing much more. And I like to cheer for the participants. To each his own.
--
Started LC Sept 26/04
189/172.5/125
"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER wrote in message
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"Chet Hayes" wrote in message
om...
I don't know what to make of this show. It really is quite amazing
watching what these people are willing to put themselves through and
the trainers that are pushing them to kill themselves to try to win
$200K. IMO, the whole thing is unethical and I wouldn't be suprised
if they wound up killing someone. Do sane doctors believe it's ok to
do this to morbidly obese people?

Then there are the trainers. The girl is a real trip. They are all
on some type of carb restriced diet, though exactly what they eat is
left a mystery. So, the second week, they lose very little compared
to the first week. The guy who lost 22 lbs the first week, gained
back 3 this week and broke down crying like it was a total failure and
the end of the world. The trainer proceeds to tell them all that it's
because she pushed them so hard they hit a plateau early. What a
joke. Obviously she doesn't understand anything about low carb or she
would know that the first week you typically lose a lot more because
of water loss, which doesn't recur.

Perhaps the most amazing thing is the unrealistic expectations these
people all have. It took them 15 years to get fat and they expect to
lose 10 lbs a week, just because they are killing themselves with all
kinds of excercise that is very likely only marginally helpful in
losing weight. If I were doing this, I'd have them on Atkins and
doing as much aerobic excercise as they can comfortably handle, not
feeding them God knows what and making a 400lb guy do crunchs till he
throws up. And I bet they'd lose as much or more weight with a
fraction of the effort and physical risk.

I wonder what viewers make of all this. I envision millions of fat
people sitting at home saying "If this is how hard it is and what I
have to do to lose weight, why bother at all?" And as for the contest
itself, it makes little sense when you have huge 300-400 lb guys
competing against women that way half that. How could the smaller
women possibly win?


I consider this show to be a real menace...truly dangerous for those
gullible people who might try something similar. It simply isn't healthy
to try to lose that much weight that fast, and some of those people are in
such poor physical condition that I think they may risk a stroke or heart
attack by following the advice of those "trainers." Those on the show may
have been given thorough physical exams, but what all those viewers in
TV-land??? In my opinion, this is a disgrace! It's one thing to have
"reality" shows that simply attract viewers but it is entirely something
else to promote something so dangerous.

MaryL

Well, let's hope that most of the people watching did get a medical
check-up,,,,and we all know TV is fantasy,,,,but I am talking from personal
experience alone,,,I got fat from eating and not doing exercise, and looking
at the show makes me want to move my lazy arse and do more than I did in the
past,,,,,so I've been going to the gym 3 times a week and pushing
myself,,,,but not to the point of throwing up. I just know I'm capable of
doing much more. And I like to cheer for the participants. To each his own.
--
Started LC Sept 26/04
189/172.5/125
"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER wrote in message
...

"Chet Hayes" wrote in message
om...
I don't know what to make of this show. It really is quite amazing
watching what these people are willing to put themselves through and
the trainers that are pushing them to kill themselves to try to win
$200K. IMO, the whole thing is unethical and I wouldn't be suprised
if they wound up killing someone. Do sane doctors believe it's ok to
do this to morbidly obese people?

Then there are the trainers. The girl is a real trip. They are all
on some type of carb restriced diet, though exactly what they eat is
left a mystery. So, the second week, they lose very little compared
to the first week. The guy who lost 22 lbs the first week, gained
back 3 this week and broke down crying like it was a total failure and
the end of the world. The trainer proceeds to tell them all that it's
because she pushed them so hard they hit a plateau early. What a
joke. Obviously she doesn't understand anything about low carb or she
would know that the first week you typically lose a lot more because
of water loss, which doesn't recur.

Perhaps the most amazing thing is the unrealistic expectations these
people all have. It took them 15 years to get fat and they expect to
lose 10 lbs a week, just because they are killing themselves with all
kinds of excercise that is very likely only marginally helpful in
losing weight. If I were doing this, I'd have them on Atkins and
doing as much aerobic excercise as they can comfortably handle, not
feeding them God knows what and making a 400lb guy do crunchs till he
throws up. And I bet they'd lose as much or more weight with a
fraction of the effort and physical risk.

I wonder what viewers make of all this. I envision millions of fat
people sitting at home saying "If this is how hard it is and what I
have to do to lose weight, why bother at all?" And as for the contest
itself, it makes little sense when you have huge 300-400 lb guys
competing against women that way half that. How could the smaller
women possibly win?


I consider this show to be a real menace...truly dangerous for those
gullible people who might try something similar. It simply isn't healthy
to try to lose that much weight that fast, and some of those people are in
such poor physical condition that I think they may risk a stroke or heart
attack by following the advice of those "trainers." Those on the show may
have been given thorough physical exams, but what all those viewers in
TV-land??? In my opinion, this is a disgrace! It's one thing to have
"reality" shows that simply attract viewers but it is entirely something
else to promote something so dangerous.

MaryL

You don't need a show like this to come of those realizations. Many of us
here did this long ago without such a foolish show.

sandy wrote:
:: Well, let's hope that most of the people watching did get a medical
:: check-up,,,,and we all know TV is fantasy,,,,but I am talking from
:: personal experience alone,,,I got fat from eating and not doing
:: exercise, and looking at the show makes me want to move my lazy arse
:: and do more than I did in the past,,,,,so I've been going to the gym
:: 3 times a week and pushing myself,,,,but not to the point of
:: throwing up. I just know I'm capable of doing much more. And I like
:: to cheer for the participants. To each his own. --
:: Started LC Sept 26/04
:: 189/172.5/125
:: "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER wrote in message
:: ...
:::
::: "Chet Hayes" wrote in message
::: om...
:::: I don't know what to make of this show. It really is quite amazing
:::: watching what these people are willing to put themselves through
:::: and the trainers that are pushing them to kill themselves to try
:::: to win $200K. IMO, the whole thing is unethical and I wouldn't be
:::: suprised if they wound up killing someone. Do sane doctors
:::: believe it's ok to do this to morbidly obese people?
::::
:::: Then there are the trainers. The girl is a real trip. They are
:::: all on some type of carb restriced diet, though exactly what they
:::: eat is left a mystery. So, the second week, they lose very little
:::: compared to the first week. The guy who lost 22 lbs the first
:::: week, gained back 3 this week and broke down crying like it was a
:::: total failure and the end of the world. The trainer proceeds to
:::: tell them all that it's because she pushed them so hard they hit a
:::: plateau early. What a joke. Obviously she doesn't understand
:::: anything about low carb or she would know that the first week you
:::: typically lose a lot more because of water loss, which doesn't
:::: recur.
::::
:::: Perhaps the most amazing thing is the unrealistic expectations
:::: these people all have. It took them 15 years to get fat and they
:::: expect to lose 10 lbs a week, just because they are killing
:::: themselves with all kinds of excercise that is very likely only
:::: marginally helpful in losing weight. If I were doing this, I'd
:::: have them on Atkins and doing as much aerobic excercise as they
:::: can comfortably handle, not feeding them God knows what and making
:::: a 400lb guy do crunchs till he throws up. And I bet they'd lose
:::: as much or more weight with a fraction of the effort and physical
:::: risk.
::::
:::: I wonder what viewers make of all this. I envision millions of fat
:::: people sitting at home saying "If this is how hard it is and what I
:::: have to do to lose weight, why bother at all?" And as for the
:::: contest itself, it makes little sense when you have huge 300-400
:::: lb guys competing against women that way half that. How could the
:::: smaller women possibly win?
:::
:::
::: I consider this show to be a real menace...truly dangerous for those
::: gullible people who might try something similar. It simply isn't
::: healthy to try to lose that much weight that fast, and some of
::: those people are in such poor physical condition that I think they
::: may risk a stroke or heart attack by following the advice of those
::: "trainers." Those on the show may have been given thorough
::: physical exams, but what all those viewers in TV-land??? In my
::: opinion, this is a disgrace! It's one thing to have "reality"
::: shows that simply attract viewers but it is entirely something else
::: to promote something so dangerous.
:::
::: MaryL

Gawd! It's just unimaginable.

That guy who lost ***22 lbs*** the first week and then regained some in the
second week must feel as those he is living through hell. What unrealistic
expectations.

Why is it that people can't seem to think independently at all anymore?

Chet Hayes wrote:
:: I don't know what to make of this show. It really is quite amazing
:: watching what these people are willing to put themselves through and
:: the trainers that are pushing them to kill themselves to try to win
:: $200K. IMO, the whole thing is unethical and I wouldn't be suprised
:: if they wound up killing someone. Do sane doctors believe it's ok to
:: do this to morbidly obese people?
::
:: Then there are the trainers. The girl is a real trip. They are all
:: on some type of carb restriced diet, though exactly what they eat is
:: left a mystery. So, the second week, they lose very little compared
:: to the first week. The guy who lost 22 lbs the first week, gained
:: back 3 this week and broke down crying like it was a total failure
:: and the end of the world. The trainer proceeds to tell them all
:: that it's because she pushed them so hard they hit a plateau early.
:: What a joke. Obviously she doesn't understand anything about low
:: carb or she would know that the first week you typically lose a lot
:: more because of water loss, which doesn't recur.
::
:: Perhaps the most amazing thing is the unrealistic expectations these
:: people all have. It took them 15 years to get fat and they expect to
:: lose 10 lbs a week, just because they are killing themselves with all
:: kinds of excercise that is very likely only marginally helpful in
:: losing weight. If I were doing this, I'd have them on Atkins and
:: doing as much aerobic excercise as they can comfortably handle, not
:: feeding them God knows what and making a 400lb guy do crunchs till he
:: throws up. And I bet they'd lose as much or more weight with a
:: fraction of the effort and physical risk.
::
:: I wonder what viewers make of all this. I envision millions of fat
:: people sitting at home saying "If this is how hard it is and what I
:: have to do to lose weight, why bother at all?" And as for the
:: contest itself, it makes little sense when you have huge 300-400 lb
:: guys competing against women that way half that. How could the
:: smaller women possibly win?

Gawd! It's just unimaginable.

That guy who lost ***22 lbs*** the first week and then regained some in
the
second week must feel as those he is living through hell. What unrealistic
expectations.

Why is it that people can't seem to think independently at all anymore?

They can. Personally, I think the series just shows that you need to
exercise and eat healthy to lose weight.

I'm sure that the viewers are aware that this is an "extreme" show. It's
not real life.

At the same time, I would really like to be "forced" to workout and eat
right (especially if I could win money). I think that the majority of
people just don't have the mental ability to stick with any type of real
program.

What impresses me about the successful losers (like you and the others here)
is your lifestyle change. I mean, you woke up one day and said, No More!
Then, you just did it. You didn't lose allot and go back to the way you
were living before low carb. You just kept going. Then, one year turned
into two and two into three and so on.

You NEVER went back. I'm so impressed!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know what line
separates us. I just know that I have yo-yoed in my weight since high
school.

I've been as high as 200 (okay, realistically I shouldn't count that since I
was pregnant). So, let's say 175 and as low as 116 since I began having
weight issues.

When I began low carbing March 2002, I was 163. I got down to 143, but
never lower. I recall exactly when something clicked in my head and I'm
ashamed to admit it....but, it is when 2 or 3 members of the ASDLC wrote to
me to say that I would soon be hitting a stall and that it was going to be
more difficult to lose now that I was at 143. My goal was 123 at the time.
I was halfway there and then out of the blue they had to burst my bubble.

I even remember one of them saying, "I hate to tell you this, but...".

Because of all of the other "extreme, life changing difficulty" I was going
through in my personal life (losing my stepfather, losing my 6 figure
income, coming to this **** hole...), I just said, "screw it; why work so
hard; who gives a ****". Then, slowly I began to regain the weight.......

So, what is the line that separates you from me? What can I do or say to
create the paradym shift? Why is it that now when I look in the mirror I am
appalled, yet STILL don't exercise? I feel defeated, Roger.......

What should I do?

Wow, I got way off topic!

~Carol Ann

Let me just add that I am not blaming anyone for me regaining the weight.

It was a choice I made.

I am not trying to project myself as a victim.



--
Carol Ann
www.lowcarblosers.com ~ Home of the Monthly Weightloss Challenge!!
175/170/125

October Pics of Morgan ~ http://tinyurl.com/476px



"Carol Ann" wrote in message
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Gawd! It's just unimaginable.

That guy who lost ***22 lbs*** the first week and then regained some in
the
second week must feel as those he is living through hell. What
unrealistic
expectations.

Why is it that people can't seem to think independently at all anymore?

They can. Personally, I think the series just shows that you need to
exercise and eat healthy to lose weight.

I'm sure that the viewers are aware that this is an "extreme" show. It's
not real life.

At the same time, I would really like to be "forced" to workout and eat
right (especially if I could win money). I think that the majority of
people just don't have the mental ability to stick with any type of real
program.

What impresses me about the successful losers (like you and the others
here) is your lifestyle change. I mean, you woke up one day and said, No
More! Then, you just did it. You didn't lose allot and go back to the way
you were living before low carb. You just kept going. Then, one year
turned into two and two into three and so on.

You NEVER went back. I'm so impressed!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know what line
separates us. I just know that I have yo-yoed in my weight since high
school.

I've been as high as 200 (okay, realistically I shouldn't count that since
I was pregnant). So, let's say 175 and as low as 116 since I began having
weight issues.

When I began low carbing March 2002, I was 163. I got down to 143, but
never lower. I recall exactly when something clicked in my head and I'm
ashamed to admit it....but, it is when 2 or 3 members of the ASDLC wrote
to me to say that I would soon be hitting a stall and that it was going to
be more difficult to lose now that I was at 143. My goal was 123 at the
time. I was halfway there and then out of the blue they had to burst my
bubble.

I even remember one of them saying, "I hate to tell you this, but...".

Because of all of the other "extreme, life changing difficulty" I was
going through in my personal life (losing my stepfather, losing my 6
figure income, coming to this **** hole...), I just said, "screw it; why
work so hard; who gives a ****". Then, slowly I began to regain the
weight.......

So, what is the line that separates you from me? What can I do or say to
create the paradym shift? Why is it that now when I look in the mirror I
am appalled, yet STILL don't exercise? I feel defeated, Roger.......

What should I do?

Wow, I got way off topic!

~Carol Ann

Carol Ann wrote:
::: Gawd! It's just unimaginable.
:::
::: That guy who lost ***22 lbs*** the first week and then regained
::: some in the
::: second week must feel as those he is living through hell. What
::: unrealistic expectations.
:::
::: Why is it that people can't seem to think independently at all
::: anymore?
::
:: They can. Personally, I think the series just shows that you need to
:: exercise and eat healthy to lose weight.
::
:: I'm sure that the viewers are aware that this is an "extreme" show.
:: It's not real life.

But in many situations, life can reflect art.

::
:: At the same time, I would really like to be "forced" to workout and
:: eat right (especially if I could win money). I think that the
:: majority of people just don't have the mental ability to stick with
:: any type of real program.

I'm not sure that I could really lose weight JUST to win money. It would
have to be more than that for me. Of course, everyone is not like me.
Witness that lady who plays Bridget Jones. She gained a bunch of weight for
Bridget Jones Diary, then lost a LOT of weight for Chicago, and then
regained even more in BJD2. Can you imagine that! My goose would be so
cooked. She must have went on the McDiet for two or three months

::
:: What impresses me about the successful losers (like you and the
:: others here) is your lifestyle change. I mean, you woke up one day
:: and said, No More! Then, you just did it. You didn't lose allot and
:: go back to the way you were living before low carb. You just kept
:: going. Then, one year turned into two and two into three and so on.
::
:: You NEVER went back. I'm so impressed!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know
:: what line separates us. I just know that I have yo-yoed in my
:: weight since high school.
::
:: I've been as high as 200 (okay, realistically I shouldn't count that
:: since I was pregnant). So, let's say 175 and as low as 116 since I
:: began having weight issues.
::
:: When I began low carbing March 2002, I was 163. I got down to 143,
:: but never lower. I recall exactly when something clicked in my head
:: and I'm ashamed to admit it....but, it is when 2 or 3 members of the
:: ASDLC wrote to me to say that I would soon be hitting a stall and
:: that it was going to be more difficult to lose now that I was at
:: 143. My goal was 123 at the time. I was halfway there and then out
:: of the blue they had to burst my bubble.

One thing to consider: 143 would a good weight for you (IMO)! Shooting for
123 might have ultimately become demotivating.
::
:: I even remember one of them saying, "I hate to tell you this,
:: but...".
::
:: Because of all of the other "extreme, life changing difficulty" I
:: was going through in my personal life (losing my stepfather, losing
:: my 6 figure income, coming to this **** hole...), I just said,
:: "screw it; why work so hard; who gives a ****". Then, slowly I
:: began to regain the weight.......

Hey, that's some pretty tough stuff to deal with, CA. That could be the
line.

::
:: So, what is the line that separates you from me? What can I do or
:: say to create the paradym shift? Why is it that now when I look in
:: the mirror I am appalled, yet STILL don't exercise? I feel
:: defeated, Roger.......

Don't hate yourself. Don't beat yourself up. Find a way to do a little
exercise. Also remember that as a means to lose weight, exercise is not
really your first best option. Controlling what you eat is. It's the most
important thing you can do. So, it might be easier for you to just focus on
one thing, perhaps. Getting control on what you eat and how much you eat.
Of course, getting a moderate amount of execise an help you control
appetite. Too much can stimulate appetite, so you have to be careful.
::
:: What should I do?

Meditate and find a way to build your focus. It can be very hard for a lot
of reasons. For me, being single and all, I had perfect control over
everything around me (and it still wasn't/isn't easy - demons still exist
and afaik they always will). For you, that may not be easy to achieve.

You might want to hear from those who are, or were, in a position similar to
your nows. See what worked for them. Also consider that others have greater
food options than you, since you don't eat land animals. I can't say for
sure, but wider choices may make some difference.

::
:: Wow, I got way off topic!
::

Not really. We need more of this kind of discussion here, especially since
the holidays are coming up.

:: ~Carol Ann

I wonder what viewers make of all this. I envision millions of fat
people sitting at home saying "If this is how hard it is and what I
have to do to lose weight, why bother at all?" And as for the contest
itself, it makes little sense when you have huge 300-400 lb guys
competing against women that way half that.

It's television.

(snip)


Not really. We need more of this kind of discussion here, especially since
the holidays are coming up.

Here here! It is what puts the S in ASDL-C

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