low carb/ low fat

What would be the effect of 8 oz of cheese on induction be? (other then
the calories) I am interested in the salt effect or the ketosis effect....

Warren

EAT MORE FAT!

Sounds to me like your body is in 'starvation mode"---trying desperately
to hold on to what it's got--- Rather than deprive yourself of two
energy-providers, fat and carbs, why not just UP your exercise? Feeling
weak....that's not good.

LassChance
(aka WIR)

Start LC~5-16-05
202-201-165

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Hannah Gruen wrote:

Suze, you're basing your opinion on the "lipid hypothesis" in which
saturated fats were "demonstrated" (although not really) to be associated
with heart disease, diabetes, etc. etc. It actually turned out that the
hypothesis was seriously, terminally flawed and that associations between
various diseases and saturated fat intake were not causal at all (except in
the minds of researchers who examined data equipped with serious anti-fat
preconceptions). Even in the Framingham study the association was totally
misstated.

Yes, we all need some polyunsaturated fatty acids to be healthy,
particularly those n3 kind you seem to be focusing on. But too much of the
unsaturated fatty acids do tend to get oxidized in the body, forming a lot
of harmful free radicals, which is probably why intake of PUFAs has been
found to be associated with increased rates of cancer, cataracts, etc.

This stuff has been discussed on this newsgroup for years, and dozens and
dozens of references, papers, articles, etc. have been posted here. Where ya
been?

HG



There's on factoid that I recall Lyle posting in the past. Some
research indicates that saturated fat promotes insulin resistance by
making cell walls less permeable. I believe it's cited in his book.

Susan

"Susan" wrote in message

There's on factoid that I recall Lyle posting in the past. Some research
indicates that saturated fat promotes insulin resistance by making cell
walls less permeable. I believe it's cited in his book.

Yes, I've seen that, although not in his book. My impression has always been
that this is based on pretty limited research, rather than a lot of studies.
And that doesn't make it untrue, of course. But it's not clear to me, based
on what I've read, that the effect is truly significant in functional terms,
nor that it would lead to the severe, ever-increasing insulin resistance
that characterizes progressive Type II diabetes, for instance, or just
"metabolic syndrome".

That said, there is also research demonstrating that people lose weight a
little faster or more readily when their diet is higher in unsaturated and
monosaturated fatty acids, rather than saturated fatty acids. Not that you
cannot lose weight eating a diet high in saturated fat, as many here have
demonstrated.

I guess these are factors to include in each person's assessment of what
they should be eating within the overall confines of a lc diet. I'd
personally stay away from large-scale use of PUFAs, sticking more with
monosaturates and a moderate amount of saturated fat. And then the different
types of saturated fatty acids differ in effect as well, but I don't know
much about that. People have made claims for the good effect of the sfa's in
coconut oil, for example, but they often seem to come from manufacturers.

HG

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Hannah Gruen wrote:

Yes, I've seen that, although not in his book. My impression has always been
that this is based on pretty limited research, rather than a lot of studies.
And that doesn't make it untrue, of course. But it's not clear to me, based
on what I've read, that the effect is truly significant in functional terms,
nor that it would lead to the severe, ever-increasing insulin resistance
that characterizes progressive Type II diabetes, for instance, or just
"metabolic syndrome".

I completely agree. So far, I think the only safe statement is that
"there's some evidence that saturated fat *may* promote insulin resistance.

Then one has to wonder, how much sat fat, which types of people?


That said, there is also research demonstrating that people lose weight a
little faster or more readily when their diet is higher in unsaturated and
monosaturated fatty acids, rather than saturated fatty acids. Not that you
cannot lose weight eating a diet high in saturated fat, as many here have
demonstrated.

Right. And extremely IR folks such as me have much better lipid results
on low sat fat, high mono fat diets. A small sub-group, I suspect.


I guess these are factors to include in each person's assessment of what
they should be eating within the overall confines of a lc diet. I'd
personally stay away from large-scale use of PUFAs, sticking more with
monosaturates and a moderate amount of saturated fat.

Me, too.

And then the different
types of saturated fatty acids differ in effect as well, but I don't know
much about that. People have made claims for the good effect of the sfa's in
coconut oil, for example, but they often seem to come from manufacturers.

There is some research on the role of medium chain triglycerides, I
think it is, in coconut oil and weight loss promotion, etc.

Susan

Well, I said "he" is right, I assume Suze is a "she". Can you figure it out
now?

In ,
Suze suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious stated
| Quoting FOB:
|| No, he's right,
|
| Now, that's convincing!
|
|| your view is the old-fashioned one.
|
| Which view would you be referring to?
|
| And be specific this time.

warren writes:
What would be the effect of 8 oz of cheese on induction be? (other
then the calories) I am interested in the salt effect or the ketosis
effect....

Depends on the cheese. Cheddar, for example, has 3g net carbs per 8
oz (not a big deal, I suppose) but cottage cheese has 6. However,
cheddar has 914 calories per 8 oz, and a big chunk of your daily
protein requirement. Both excess calories and excess protein have
been known to be problematic to LC weight loss.

I don't think the "salt effect" is relevent here.

http://www.delorie.com/health/ns/

It would probably contain about 8 of your carb grams and it might make you
constipated if you don't get a lot of fiber somewhere, such as psyllium
husks.

In ,
warren stated
| What would be the effect of 8 oz of cheese on induction be? (other
| then the calories) I am interested in the salt effect or the ketosis
| effect....
|
| Warren

"DJ Delorie" wrote in message
...
Depends on the cheese. Cheddar, for example, has 3g net carbs per 8
oz (not a big deal, I suppose) but cottage cheese has 6. However,
cheddar has 914 calories per 8 oz, and a big chunk of your daily
protein requirement. Both excess calories and excess protein have
been known to be problematic to LC weight loss.

Cheese - mostly cheddar, mozzarella, colby, jack, and parmesan - has made up
a large part of my diet since starting LC, even in the induction stage.
I've used 8 oz of shredded cheese to make up chips which I eat dipped in
full-fat sour cream a couple of times...apparently it's not problematic for
me, at the rate I'm shrinking...thank God! It has gotten me past quite a
few rough spots because of its richness; otherwise I might have reached for
the box of pudding . However, I've been cutting back on it lately, my
taste buds aren't calling for it anymore, they've been more in the mood for
salads and lettuce wraps the last few days...
--
Sherry
360/?/195
LC since 4/4/05
My LC Journey - www.livejournal.com/users/ShrinkingSherry

In article .com,
"Quinadal" wrote:

Uh, no.
Saturated fats protect the heart, the cells and the brain. Unsaturated
fats go rancid and form free radicals in the body. Unsaturated fats
are not a natural part of human diet, saturated fats are. Animal fats
are the best fats to improve health. The only healthy NON animal fats
are coconut, palm and small amounts of olive oil.
Without saturated fats and cholesterol, you're brain can't function
correctly and your heart will suffer.
50% fat intake is the MINIMUM you should have, anything less is not
healthy. Healthy cultures that have no diabetes, cardiac problems, or
obesity and very little cancer eat FAR more than 50% fat, mostly from
animal sources.

And another 'net kook is born..... sigh

Resources please?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson