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wendy wrote in message ... Clearly to be a world class athelete requires an immense amount of steroids Wrong. Matthew |
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Humans are not rats.
I recall a study that showed metabolism dropping by 15% when the fat on the human body goes below a "setpoint." The setpoint was different for each individual. 15% is not large enough to make weight management impossible. However, it does tip the scales, so to speak. "wendy" wrote in message ... |
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Rachael Reynolds wrote:
But broadly speaking, we are all the same - at each end there are extremes - supreme atheletes at one end and at the other there are the people with a major lack of dopamine receptors or whatever, but the vast vast bulk of us are averagely in the middle. There's no such thing as being in the middle genetically. You are unique. 50% or more of obesity is said to be related to genetics. Whatever your genetics are what you have to fight. If you keep thinking you are just a total failure because you think it is all psychological then you aren't understanding the enemy. Not sure about this rat thing anyway - they didn't have to think about whether they want to gain, lose or maintain weight. The psychological thing is too important to be ignored. That's not what is ignored. That's all people talk about. |
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GaryG wrote:
Well...it's not rocket science either. Losing weight simply requires consuming a few less calories per day than one burns. And running a 4 minute mile simply require running a mile under 4 minutes. As with many other things in life, anything that requires patience and persistence will tend to have a low rate of success. It's just a lot easier for most people to reach for the bag of snacks and the remote control, rather than get up off the couch and go for a walk. But, that's more an issue of personal priorities than metabolism. Why is it easier? You don't forget to breath. You don't over drink water. Why do you want to eat the snacks and use the remote control? It could be different, but it's not. The influences are so built-in we don't even recognize they are at play. |
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GaryG wrote:
No offense, but it sounds like you are in search of excuses. When i fall is gravity an excuse? No, it's a reason. You seem to be a person who doesn't want to understand how what is our real relationship to food and exercise. |
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GaryG wrote:
It's possible the effect on metabolism seen in those rats was due to a "starvation" response. If they had lost weight the weight slowly (the same way they had gained it), it's possible the effect on metabolism would have been different. It's possible. But i believe that rate is about a 1 pound a month. |
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Matthew wrote:
wendy wrote in message ... Clearly to be a world class athelete requires an immense amount of steroids Wrong. Matthew It was a joke. Sorry. |
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Cubit wrote:
Humans are not rats. I recall a study that showed metabolism dropping by 15% when the fat on the human body goes below a "setpoint." The setpoint was different for each individual. 15% is not large enough to make weight management impossible. However, it does tip the scales, so to speak. A woman is not a man. One person is not the next. One race is not the next. Like it or not animal models are what we learn a lot from. It doesn't always work, but to dismiss any study based on animal models isn't wise. If i could guarantee you a 15% rate of return you would be a very happy person. As for weight management being impossible, that is not the argument. But that's a pretty damn high standard. |
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"wendy" wrote in message ... Rachael Reynolds wrote: But broadly speaking, we are all the same - at each end there are extremes - supreme atheletes at one end and at the other there are the people with a major lack of dopamine receptors or whatever, but the vast vast bulk of us are averagely in the middle. There's no such thing as being in the middle genetically. You are unique. 50% or more of obesity is said to be related to genetics. Whatever your genetics are what you have to fight. If you keep thinking you are just a total failure because you think it is all psychological then you aren't understanding the enemy. When you say 'obesity is said to be related to genetics', what does it mean? Is it the tendency to overeat? the bigger apetite? the taste for high calorie food? or do obese people really have a slower metabolism? or better absorption? Not sure about this rat thing anyway - they didn't have to think about whether they want to gain, lose or maintain weight. The psychological thing is too important to be ignored. That's not what is ignored. That's all people talk about. It's a combination of both. Weight gain/loss is physiological but psychological factors affect what you eat. If you're dying for a BigMac it's more likely to be because of advertising you've seen than for genetical reasons. Your digestive system plays a part too, not everybody can have several fast food meals in a row without feeling sick, yet I've read stories of obese people who would stop at different places on their way home, have a meal at each one of them & still have room for ice cream. It may be their mind that makes them eat like that but their bodies accept it, who is to blame, body or mind? |
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"wendy" wrote in message
... Rachael Reynolds wrote: But broadly speaking, we are all the same - at each end there are extremes - supreme atheletes at one end and at the other there are the people with a major lack of dopamine receptors or whatever, but the vast vast bulk of us are averagely in the middle. There's no such thing as being in the middle genetically. You are unique. 50% or more of obesity is said to be related to genetics. Whatever your genetics are what you have to fight. The rate of obesity is skyrocketing...are you saying that's due to genetics? Why were so few people obese 50 years ago? GG If you keep thinking you are just a total failure because you think it is all psychological then you aren't understanding the enemy. Not sure about this rat thing anyway - they didn't have to think about whether they want to gain, lose or maintain weight. The psychological thing is too important to be ignored. That's not what is ignored. That's all people talk about. |
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