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  #11  
Old September 9th, 2004, 06:15 PM
Jennifer
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I don't think of any deviation from your plan as "cheating"... It's all
about choices.

We are in control of our choices and sometimes we make ones that are not
consistant with our goals.

But who are we cheating? We chose this WOE.

Jennifer


Cheri wrote:

You got that right. If we were that perfect, there would be no need for
diet support groups. An anniversary happens once a year, no need to
worry about one day. Happy Anniversary Carla. :-)

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The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote in message 1gju61y.140d5496ldkbeN%not
everyone who chooses to splurge on something special thinks of it as

cheating.





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Old September 9th, 2004, 06:15 PM
Jennifer
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I don't think of any deviation from your plan as "cheating"... It's all
about choices.

We are in control of our choices and sometimes we make ones that are not
consistant with our goals.

But who are we cheating? We chose this WOE.

Jennifer


Cheri wrote:

You got that right. If we were that perfect, there would be no need for
diet support groups. An anniversary happens once a year, no need to
worry about one day. Happy Anniversary Carla. :-)

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The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote in message 1gju61y.140d5496ldkbeN%not
everyone who chooses to splurge on something special thinks of it as

cheating.





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Old September 9th, 2004, 07:31 PM
Lee
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"carla" wrote in message ...

Happy anniversary. Your meal sounds delicious. I love Indian and
Middle Eastern food, so this sounds right up my alley.

As far as your carb indulgences go...regularly, are you in ketosis? I
mean, when you're not cheating? Reason I ask, is that this meal is
going to kick you out of ketosis, regardless of the amount of high
carb stuff you eat. That one piece of bread, or that meat & potato
pastry thing will do it. So, if it were me, I'd just eat whatever the
heck I wanted for your special meal and jump back on the wagon the
next morning. The diet I used to follow had one "cheat hour" a week.
It would kick me out of ketosis, but I'd be back in within 36-48
hours. I say go for it, and enjoy the cuisine as it was intended to be
eaten...over rice, with bread to soak up the yummy sauces...whatever.

Lee
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Old September 9th, 2004, 07:31 PM
Lee
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"carla" wrote in message ...

Happy anniversary. Your meal sounds delicious. I love Indian and
Middle Eastern food, so this sounds right up my alley.

As far as your carb indulgences go...regularly, are you in ketosis? I
mean, when you're not cheating? Reason I ask, is that this meal is
going to kick you out of ketosis, regardless of the amount of high
carb stuff you eat. That one piece of bread, or that meat & potato
pastry thing will do it. So, if it were me, I'd just eat whatever the
heck I wanted for your special meal and jump back on the wagon the
next morning. The diet I used to follow had one "cheat hour" a week.
It would kick me out of ketosis, but I'd be back in within 36-48
hours. I say go for it, and enjoy the cuisine as it was intended to be
eaten...over rice, with bread to soak up the yummy sauces...whatever.

Lee
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Old September 9th, 2004, 07:36 PM
carla
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"Cubit" wrote in message .com...
My feeling is that posts like this that share cheating plans are not
helpful.

Ah. Well, allow me to apologize to the group for having made a post
that Cubit feels is unhelpful.

I do have a question for you, Cubit. Do you mean to say that you
believe they are not helpful to the poster, or that you believe they
are not helpful to the other members of the group?

If the latter, I really have nothing to say to that. If the former,
though, I would submit that the helpfulness of the post would vary
poster to poster. For many people, having some kind of
accountability, even to relative strangers, is of some value. In
addition, I think most people appreciate the value of formulating a
concrete strategy before going into a situation in which temptations
to go off plan are present, and then sticking to that strategy.
Perhaps you would have preferred if I had formulated my strategy in my
own journal rather than in a newsgroup posting. If that is the case,
well, that's too bad.

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Old September 9th, 2004, 08:32 PM
Roger Zoul
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carla wrote:
|| "Cubit" wrote in message
|| .com...
||| My feeling is that posts like this that share cheating plans are not
||| helpful.
|||
|| Ah. Well, allow me to apologize to the group for having made a post
|| that Cubit feels is unhelpful.
||

I disgree with his comment. I think your post was helpful because you were
talking about the choices you were going to make on a special occasion.
Sooner or later, all of us will be faced with the need to make such choices.

|| I do have a question for you, Cubit. Do you mean to say that you
|| believe they are not helpful to the poster, or that you believe they
|| are not helpful to the other members of the group?
||
|| If the latter, I really have nothing to say to that. If the former,
|| though, I would submit that the helpfulness of the post would vary
|| poster to poster. For many people, having some kind of
|| accountability, even to relative strangers, is of some value. In
|| addition, I think most people appreciate the value of formulating a
|| concrete strategy before going into a situation in which temptations
|| to go off plan are present, and then sticking to that strategy.
|| Perhaps you would have preferred if I had formulated my strategy in
|| my
|| own journal rather than in a newsgroup posting. If that is the case,
|| well, that's too bad.

I think the post could be helpful to the OP and to other members.


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Old September 9th, 2004, 11:18 PM
carla
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(Lee) wrote in message . com...

[snip]
As far as your carb indulgences go...regularly, are you in ketosis? I
mean, when you're not cheating? Reason I ask, is that this meal is
going to kick you out of ketosis, regardless of the amount of high
carb stuff you eat. That one piece of bread, or that meat & potato
pastry thing will do it. So, if it were me, I'd just eat whatever the
heck I wanted for your special meal and jump back on the wagon the
next morning. The diet I used to follow had one "cheat hour" a week.
It would kick me out of ketosis, but I'd be back in within 36-48
hours. I say go for it, and enjoy the cuisine as it was intended to be
eaten...over rice, with bread to soak up the yummy sauces...whatever.

Thanks for the comments. I am probably not in ketosis, or in and out
of it from time to time - it's not something I monitor. So I am not
too concerned about eating more carbs than usual for that reason -
only to the extent that for me, eating more carbs usually means eating
more calories. I think I can have just as good a time tonight eating
an 800 calorie meal as I could if I ate a 2000 calorie meal. The
former is more or less within my plan, even if it includes some items
that I would not ordinarily include in my dinner choices.

Everyone's relationship to food is different, but for me, getting
control of my eating means learning not to "go for it" even when the
food is good and the occasion special. I can always find excuses to
overeat or to eat calorie-dense, nutrition poor foods. The key for me
is to train myself to eat with restraint even when there are perfectly
good reasons not too.
To put that another way, I don't want to have to jump back on the
wagon in the morning - I want to stay on the wagon the whole time -
the wagon I would like to be riding, that is, which is not
"Atkins/ketogenic/certain carb limit," but rather "moderation in all
things."

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  #18  
Old September 9th, 2004, 11:18 PM
carla
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(Lee) wrote in message . com...

[snip]
As far as your carb indulgences go...regularly, are you in ketosis? I
mean, when you're not cheating? Reason I ask, is that this meal is
going to kick you out of ketosis, regardless of the amount of high
carb stuff you eat. That one piece of bread, or that meat & potato
pastry thing will do it. So, if it were me, I'd just eat whatever the
heck I wanted for your special meal and jump back on the wagon the
next morning. The diet I used to follow had one "cheat hour" a week.
It would kick me out of ketosis, but I'd be back in within 36-48
hours. I say go for it, and enjoy the cuisine as it was intended to be
eaten...over rice, with bread to soak up the yummy sauces...whatever.

Thanks for the comments. I am probably not in ketosis, or in and out
of it from time to time - it's not something I monitor. So I am not
too concerned about eating more carbs than usual for that reason -
only to the extent that for me, eating more carbs usually means eating
more calories. I think I can have just as good a time tonight eating
an 800 calorie meal as I could if I ate a 2000 calorie meal. The
former is more or less within my plan, even if it includes some items
that I would not ordinarily include in my dinner choices.

Everyone's relationship to food is different, but for me, getting
control of my eating means learning not to "go for it" even when the
food is good and the occasion special. I can always find excuses to
overeat or to eat calorie-dense, nutrition poor foods. The key for me
is to train myself to eat with restraint even when there are perfectly
good reasons not too.
To put that another way, I don't want to have to jump back on the
wagon in the morning - I want to stay on the wagon the whole time -
the wagon I would like to be riding, that is, which is not
"Atkins/ketogenic/certain carb limit," but rather "moderation in all
things."

--
carla
http://geekofalltrades.typepad.com
  #19  
Old September 10th, 2004, 02:43 AM
Cubit
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There have been many posts about eating excessive carbs, where the poster
seems to be bragging about the carby thing they are going to eat. It
usually comes with a collection of rationalizations about why the carbs are
ok on this occasion. Often the occasion is in some way "special."

To really succeed at this LC thing, we need to adjust to the LC way-of-life.
At the time of my comment, I was really thinking about the effect these
posts have on others, but as a mechanism of self delusion, they might be
unwise for the posters as well.

I did not mean to suggest that you should not share about your approach to
managing low carb. Maybe, instead of pointing out the adverse effect your
falling off the wagon (jumping) might have on others, I should have simply
chastized you for it. Hmmm. I don't like a punative approach. Indeed,
with that in mind, I should have pointed out how wonderful your health and
appearance will be if you can stick to things.

I recently attended a birthday gathering where only two of us ate nothing,
while the group, about 30, had full carb ice cream and cake. Everybody
seemed to accept this. I was surprised. I thought I would catch some flack
for not eating it. Apparently, here in the Silicon Valley, low carb is
respected, even by those who do not participate. January's surge in the
press may have had an impression.

Low Carb fails, when dieters return to eating the carbs. Viewing carby
meals as special treats is setting the stage for future failure. We should,
like Iggy, actively search for the path to lifelong success.



  #20  
Old September 10th, 2004, 02:43 AM
Cubit
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There have been many posts about eating excessive carbs, where the poster
seems to be bragging about the carby thing they are going to eat. It
usually comes with a collection of rationalizations about why the carbs are
ok on this occasion. Often the occasion is in some way "special."

To really succeed at this LC thing, we need to adjust to the LC way-of-life.
At the time of my comment, I was really thinking about the effect these
posts have on others, but as a mechanism of self delusion, they might be
unwise for the posters as well.

I did not mean to suggest that you should not share about your approach to
managing low carb. Maybe, instead of pointing out the adverse effect your
falling off the wagon (jumping) might have on others, I should have simply
chastized you for it. Hmmm. I don't like a punative approach. Indeed,
with that in mind, I should have pointed out how wonderful your health and
appearance will be if you can stick to things.

I recently attended a birthday gathering where only two of us ate nothing,
while the group, about 30, had full carb ice cream and cake. Everybody
seemed to accept this. I was surprised. I thought I would catch some flack
for not eating it. Apparently, here in the Silicon Valley, low carb is
respected, even by those who do not participate. January's surge in the
press may have had an impression.

Low Carb fails, when dieters return to eating the carbs. Viewing carby
meals as special treats is setting the stage for future failure. We should,
like Iggy, actively search for the path to lifelong success.



 




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