Article about carbs and biking

http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/5754.0.html

I think I do "anaerobic repeats several times throughout the ride," as my
heart rate nears maximum several times during my ride, yet I've also been
able to bike 69 miles (this year, my goal's 100 miles). Perhaps the
theories are wrong?

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Bob in CT
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Bob in CT wrote:
:: http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/5754.0.html
::
:: I think I do "anaerobic repeats several times throughout the ride,"
:: as my heart rate nears maximum several times during my ride, yet
:: I've also been able to bike 69 miles (this year, my goal's 100
:: miles). Perhaps the theories are wrong?
::

I think it's hard so say...mainly because protein does get converted, so
some of that may be keeping some carbs around, and a long-term LC just can't
be sure exactly glycogen depleted they a really are. Perhaps over time, as
the body learns to use fat more, it also manages to save some back up carbs
(as suggested). We know that if you weight train in an appropriate manner,
you can do anaerobic repeats several times in a workout and then several
times a week, too.

But the theories could be wrong...

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:37:57 -0500, Roger Zoul
wrote:

Bob in CT wrote:
:: http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/5754.0.html
::
:: I think I do "anaerobic repeats several times throughout the ride,"
:: as my heart rate nears maximum several times during my ride, yet
:: I've also been able to bike 69 miles (this year, my goal's 100
:: miles). Perhaps the theories are wrong?
::

I think it's hard so say...mainly because protein does get converted, so
some of that may be keeping some carbs around, and a long-term LC just
can't
be sure exactly glycogen depleted they a really are. Perhaps over time,
as
the body learns to use fat more, it also manages to save some back up
carbs
(as suggested). We know that if you weight train in an appropriate
manner,
you can do anaerobic repeats several times in a workout and then several
times a week, too.

But the theories could be wrong...





That is true, there's no way to determine how carb depleted we are. Also,
I tend to take in a few carbs during my longer rides, so perhaps, even
though it's a really small amount, it's enough to provide the fire.

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Glycogen is also produced from protein.

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"If I can't *count* the carbs, it can't be part of a
low-carb diet." --- jpatti


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On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:37:57 -0500, Roger Zoul
wrote:

Bob in CT wrote:
:: http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/5754.0.html
::
:: I think I do "anaerobic repeats several times throughout the ride,"
:: as my heart rate nears maximum several times during my ride, yet
:: I've also been able to bike 69 miles (this year, my goal's 100
:: miles). Perhaps the theories are wrong?
::

I think it's hard so say...mainly because protein does get converted, so
some of that may be keeping some carbs around, and a long-term LC just
can't
be sure exactly glycogen depleted they a really are. Perhaps over time,
as
the body learns to use fat more, it also manages to save some back up
carbs
(as suggested). We know that if you weight train in an appropriate
manner,
you can do anaerobic repeats several times in a workout and then several
times a week, too.

But the theories could be wrong...





That is true, there's no way to determine how carb depleted we are. Also,
I tend to take in a few carbs during my longer rides, so perhaps, even
though it's a really small amount, it's enough to provide the fire.

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Bob M in CT remove 'x.' to reply

Roger Zoul wrote:
:: Bob in CT wrote:
:::: http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/5754.0.html
::::
:::: I think I do "anaerobic repeats several times throughout the ride,"
:::: as my heart rate nears maximum several times during my ride, yet
:::: I've also been able to bike 69 miles (this year, my goal's 100
:::: miles). Perhaps the theories are wrong?
::::
::
:: I think it's hard so say...mainly because protein does get
:: converted, so some of that may be keeping some carbs around, and a
:: long-term LC just can't be sure exactly glycogen depleted they a
:: really are.

Damn....I must have been asleep....I was trying to say "...and a long-term
LCer just can't be sure exactly how glycogen depleted they really are....


:: Perhaps over time, as the body learns to use fat more,
:: it also manages to save some back up carbs (as suggested). We know
:: that if you weight train in an appropriate manner, you can do
:: anaerobic repeats several times in a workout and then several times
:: a week, too.
::
:: But the theories could be wrong...

Bob M wrote:
:: On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:37:57 -0500, Roger Zoul
:: wrote:
::
::: Bob in CT wrote:
::::: http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/5754.0.html
:::::
::::: I think I do "anaerobic repeats several times throughout the
::::: ride," as my heart rate nears maximum several times during my
::::: ride, yet I've also been able to bike 69 miles (this year, my
::::: goal's 100 miles). Perhaps the theories are wrong?
:::::
:::
::: I think it's hard so say...mainly because protein does get
::: converted, so some of that may be keeping some carbs around, and a
::: long-term LC just can't
::: be sure exactly glycogen depleted they a really are. Perhaps over
::: time, as
::: the body learns to use fat more, it also manages to save some back
::: up carbs
::: (as suggested). We know that if you weight train in an appropriate
::: manner,
::: you can do anaerobic repeats several times in a workout and then
::: several times a week, too.
:::
::: But the theories could be wrong...
:::
:::
:::
:::
::
:: That is true, there's no way to determine how carb depleted we are.
:: Also, I tend to take in a few carbs during my longer rides, so
:: perhaps, even though it's a really small amount, it's enough to
:: provide the fire.

Right. I don't see why it is necessary to shun carbs before a long ride
anyway....it's a foregone conclusion that they'll get burned anyway. Better
safe than sorry, if you ask me. Bonking on a ride has to be complete
misery....and on a long ride one may not be able to recover to complete the
ride. OTOH, it also is probably not necessary for a LCer to go totally nuts
carbing up, either.

Bob in CT wrote:
http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/5754.0.html

I think I do "anaerobic repeats several times throughout the ride," as
my heart rate nears maximum several times during my ride, yet I've also
been able to bike 69 miles (this year, my goal's 100 miles). Perhaps
the theories are wrong?


I have found the same. I've never 'bonked' on a bike ride (60 miles
about my max recently) and I have never noticed any difference in
performance whether I've been strict LC'ing or have had a few carbs.
Guess it just doesn't seem to make much difference for me.

Maybe as I get faster, I'll notice a difference, but it hasn't happened yet.

Must go, the new bike calls

Pete

Bob in CT wrote:
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I believe that the intramuscular triglycerides play a much greater
role in fueling high intensities for LCers. Those of us who train on
LC probably are able to use that source more efficiently than research
knows right now... though it would be good to know just how much more
efficient we are at using those intramuscular triglycerides and how
much more we're able to store. Its often frustrating to read article
like the above because the writer is so ingrained into everyone eating
and training on a high-carb diet.

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RRzVRR wrote:
:: Bob in CT wrote:
::: http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/5754.0.html
:::
::
:: I believe that the intramuscular triglycerides play a much greater
:: role in fueling high intensities for LCers. Those of us who train on
:: LC probably are able to use that source more efficiently than
:: research knows right now... though it would be good to know just how
:: much more efficient we are at using those intramuscular
:: triglycerides and how much more we're able to store.

:: Its often
:: frustrating to read article like the above because the writer is so
:: ingrained into everyone eating and training on a high-carb diet.

No kidding. Talk to any bodybuilder or cyclist and they'll tell you you
gotta have carbs (not a bb in a cutting phase).

Bob in CT wrote in message ...
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I think I do "anaerobic repeats several times throughout the ride," as my
heart rate nears maximum several times during my ride, yet I've also been
able to bike 69 miles (this year, my goal's 100 miles). Perhaps the
theories are wrong?

I doubt you are riding at the same intensity as the article suggests.
Do you know your Max HR? And if so are you wearing a heart rate
monitor to judge your efforts? N=1 in this case. Let's see the studies
that shows Atkins is good for endurance athletes.