the PBS obesity special

"Fat: What no one is telling you"



While there has been much discussion of the problems with this show, there
was a sparkling pearl in the midst of it all.

Namely: Lee Kaplan, MD, Phd.



I quote him out-of-context:

"What we do know, is that lots of people have a problem with obesity, and
lots of people have a different problem with obesity from each other."



I feel the show is worth watching to piece together the segments of the
interview with Dr. Kaplan.

On Apr 15, 10:58 am, "Cubit" wrote:
"Fat: What no one is telling you"

While there has been much discussion of the problems with this show, there
was a sparkling pearl in the midst of it all.

Namely: Lee Kaplan, MD, Phd.

I quote him out-of-context:

"What we do know, is that lots of people have a problem with obesity, and
lots of people have a different problem with obesity from each other."

I feel the show is worth watching to piece together the segments of the
interview with Dr. Kaplan.

I missed it but will look for a podcast or rebroadcast.

It seems to me many people either do not recognize themselves as
overweight or are resigned to being overweight since it "runs in the
family".

In one way the causes of obesity are very different, but in another
they are almost all due to one thing: overeating. I agree that the
reasons behind it and particularly the techniques to deal with it are
what is different and complex, which does make each problem
different, but knowing your caloric needs to maintain or reach a
certain weight and counting calories isn't very complex. dkw

On Apr 15, 8:32 pm, Cynthia P wrote:
And it stinks, because, if we could program ourselves to catch
ourselves BEFORE things got out of hand, maintaining would be much
easier. I'm hoping like hell that I've got the lesson learned this
time! Getting too old to go through this again, LOL!

--
Cynthia
262/240.5/152

Cynthia, that was fabulous post. You couldn't have presented the
problem any more clearly. Whether it's genetics, lifestyle, boredom,
self neglect, laziness or reluctance to change the buck begins and
ends with number one.

Sitting on your duff won't make it smaller. It's not enough toi be
talking the talk, it's walking the walk that is called for and IT CAN
BE DONE!

Diva

On 15 Apr 2007 11:34:14 -0700, wrote:

On Apr 15, 10:58 am, "Cubit" wrote:
"Fat: What no one is telling you"

While there has been much discussion of the problems with this show, there
was a sparkling pearl in the midst of it all.

Namely: Lee Kaplan, MD, Phd.

I quote him out-of-context:

"What we do know, is that lots of people have a problem with obesity, and
lots of people have a different problem with obesity from each other."

I feel the show is worth watching to piece together the segments of the
interview with Dr. Kaplan.

I missed it but will look for a podcast or rebroadcast.

It seems to me many people either do not recognize themselves as
overweight or are resigned to being overweight since it "runs in the
family".



I'm guessing more folks just don't want to do the work to overcome any
family genetic or lifestyle tendencies to being fat. It's just easier
to blame it on family genetics than it is to get out there and
exercise and log food and cook healthy meals and so on and so forth.

We will deal with bad family eyesight by going right out and getting
glasses or contacts, but that's easy... and requires little time and
effort comparitively speaking. Likewise for things like braces.

Also, while I think there are plenty of folk who ARE willing to do the
work, many are only willing to do it short term, i.e. until the weight
is lost, at which point, they stop, and well, we know just what
happens then.

I think people tend to get discouraged by the idea of doing the work
for life. There are days that it seems a long looming time to me
too... and I'm turning 50! When you are 10 or 15 or 20 or 30, the idea
of exercising and eating well for the next 40-60 years has got to be
intimidating! Heck, it's still somewhat intimidating for me at my
age!


In one way the causes of obesity are very different, but in another
they are almost all due to one thing: overeating. I agree that the
reasons behind it and particularly the techniques to deal with it are
what is different and complex, which does make each problem
different, but knowing your caloric needs to maintain or reach a
certain weight and counting calories isn't very complex. dkw


Yes, the causes are often different and that's what makes it a
difficult problem. I think a lot of people look for a particular one
size fits all PLAN... but really, we each need our own plan, one that
provides bodyfat loss, reasonably healthy eating and one we can keep
up for life. Watching intake and being more active is often just a
start. It's pretty important to realize that it isn't always physical
hunger that is driving people to eat.

I'm much less likely these days to eat until I am stuffed to the point
of being uncomfortable... but heaven knows, I used to do it often
enough! Part of it may be an aging thing. I also find that many of my
old favorite junk foods just don't agree with me so well. I've lost a
lot of my cravings for corn chips (Doritos et. al.) in recent years.
Oddly, my cravings for things like chocolate/candy have increased
somewhat, though I try not to act on them more than twice a week.


Yet, in the long run, it boils down to overeating.

But why do we let things get so blasted out of hand? That's what just
kills me. You'd think, you really would, that after losing significant
amounts of weight TWICE now, that I would *know* I needed to at least
keep tabs on myself by weighing daily or weekly. Yet I didn't when
push came to shove. I hid my head and didn't want to know.

And it stinks, because, if we could program ourselves to catch
ourselves BEFORE things got out of hand, maintaining would be much
easier. I'm hoping like hell that I've got the lesson learned this
time! Getting too old to go through this again, LOL!


--
Cynthia
262/240.5/152

On 15 Apr 2007 17:18:36 -0700, Diva wrote:

On Apr 15, 8:32 pm, Cynthia P wrote:
And it stinks, because, if we could program ourselves to catch
ourselves BEFORE things got out of hand, maintaining would be much
easier. I'm hoping like hell that I've got the lesson learned this
time! Getting too old to go through this again, LOL!



Cynthia, that was fabulous post. You couldn't have presented the
problem any more clearly. Whether it's genetics, lifestyle, boredom,
self neglect, laziness or reluctance to change the buck begins and
ends with number one.


Glad you liked it... well, had a very good day here. Had to go to two
different stores shopping... resisted all temptations! Ate healthy
AND tasty all day long. Even got some gardening in, though now, I have
to worry a little, I pruned the roses BEFORE finding out there was a
freeze warning going for tonight. Married to a meteorologist and I'm
still always the last to know, LOL!

Been trying out arch supports for the plantar fasciitis, but I don't
think I've hit on the right thing yet. Less heel pain... but lots of
arch pain instead.


--
Cynthia
262/240.5/152

On Apr 16, 4:39 am, Cynthia P wrote:
On 15 Apr 2007 17:18:36 -0700, Diva wrote:

On Apr 15, 8:32 pm, Cynthia P wrote:
And it stinks, because, if we could program ourselves to catch
ourselves BEFORE things got out of hand, maintaining would be much
easier. I'm hoping like hell that I've got the lesson learned this
time! Getting too old to go through this again, LOL!

Cynthia, that was fabulous post. You couldn't have presented the
problem any more clearly. Whether it's genetics, lifestyle, boredom,
self neglect, laziness or reluctance to change the buck begins and
ends with number one.

Glad you liked it... well, had a very good day here. Had to go to two
different stores shopping... resisted all temptations! Ate healthy
AND tasty all day long. Even got some gardening in, though now, I have
to worry a little, I pruned the roses BEFORE finding out there was a
freeze warning going for tonight. Married to a meteorologist and I'm
still always the last to know, LOL!

Been trying out arch supports for the plantar fasciitis, but I don't
think I've hit on the right thing yet. Less heel pain... but lots of
arch pain instead.

--
Cynthia
262/240.5/152

I am having a rather bad morning, ( no coffee) getting repeatedly
spammed by a marketeer.

I logged on to see so the usual crap here from the troll barnacles
who have been attached to this group for too long and sucked the life
out of it.

When a diet group makes you want to take Tylenol instead of Hoodia,
it's time to go LOL

I really had ideas about being supportive based on what works for me.
had I not experienced success for nearly eight years, I would not
have felt any entitlement at using whatever approach has helped me.
One thing I have learned along with how to lose weight and keep it off
is to seek positives and not have good energy and good intent drained
away by toxic people.

Sadly, with few exceptions, ASD now seems to have more psychos than a
locked ward and it brings me down to have to wade through them to
communicate with the Steves and Cynthias. So I am out of here once
again to share with people who welcome support, not to be a target of
riidiculing idiots and reliigious fanatics.

Continued good progress to you and the bona fide members of ASD.

I'll pop in some time in the future to survey the wreckage.

Diva

On Apr 15, 8:58 am, "Cubit" wrote:
"Fat: What no one is telling you"

I feel the show is worth watching to piece together the segments of the
interview with Dr. Kaplan.

Cubit,

PBS might have the whole interview (with un-aired parts) on it's
website.

Sean

On Apr 16, 1:39 am, Cynthia P wrote:

Been trying out arch supports for the plantar fasciitis, but I don't
think I've hit on the right thing yet. Less heel pain... but lots of
arch pain instead.

I had heel pain before. My doctor told me to buy walking shoes. I did
- they have foam in the insole, and my heel pain went away. Now the
shoes have worn out, but I seem to have been healed, because I can
again wear ordinary shoes without pain.

I'm going to try to have the walking shoes re-soled.

On another subject, I asked my doctor today is water is needed for fat
metabolism. He said definitely yes. I asked him how much to drink to
lose weight and he gave me the standard "at least 64 ounces a day"
answer. So drink up, everybody.

Sean, who ate out today, got stuffed, and actually _didn't_ like it. I
just need to remember that the rest of the week

On Apr 16, 5:42 am, "Diva" wrote:
On Apr 16, 4:39 am, Cynthia P wrote:





On 15 Apr 2007 17:18:36 -0700, Diva wrote:

On Apr 15, 8:32 pm, Cynthia P wrote:
And it stinks, because, if we could program ourselves to catch
ourselves BEFORE things got out of hand, maintaining would be much
easier. I'm hoping like hell that I've got the lesson learned this
time! Getting too old to go through this again, LOL!

Cynthia, that was fabulous post. You couldn't have presented the
problem any more clearly. Whether it's genetics, lifestyle, boredom,
self neglect, laziness or reluctance to change the buck begins and
ends with number one.

Glad you liked it... well, had a very good day here. Had to go to two
different stores shopping... resisted all temptations! Ate healthy
AND tasty all day long. Even got some gardening in, though now, I have
to worry a little, I pruned the roses BEFORE finding out there was a
freeze warning going for tonight. Married to a meteorologist and I'm
still always the last to know, LOL!

Been trying out arch supports for the plantar fasciitis, but I don't
think I've hit on the right thing yet. Less heel pain... but lots of
arch pain instead.

--
Cynthia
262/240.5/152

I am having a rather bad morning, ( no coffee) getting repeatedly
spammed by a marketeer.

I logged on to see so the usual crap here from the troll barnacles
who have been attached to this group for too long and sucked the life
out of it.

When a diet group makes you want to take Tylenol instead of Hoodia,
it's time to go LOL

I really had ideas about being supportive based on what works for me.
had I not experienced success for nearly eight years, I would not
have felt any entitlement at using whatever approach has helped me.
One thing I have learned along with how to lose weight and keep it off
is to seek positives and not have good energy and good intent drained
away by toxic people.

Sadly, with few exceptions, ASD now seems to have more psychos than a
locked ward and it brings me down to have to wade through them to
communicate with the Steves and Cynthias.

Diva,

If you'll take the time to learn how to use your newsreader's
killfile, you'll be saved endless time by not having to read the posts
made by the trolls. It's really worth looking into, as killfiling can
raise the signal-to-noise ratio of almost any group to new-unity.

I'm bummed. I plonked Mu in big ASCII letters and it came through all
garbled. Because I cut and pasted it from Goggle groups. Oh well.

Sean

On 16 Apr 2007 18:48:57 -0700, Sean wrote:

On another subject, I asked my doctor today is water is needed for fat
metabolism. He said definitely yes. I asked him how much to drink to
lose weight and he gave me the standard "at least 64 ounces a day"
answer. So drink up, everybody.

What a crock
Get a new Doc
And a life to boot.