the PBS obesity special

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:11:40 -0400, Mu
wrote:

On another subject, I asked my doctor today is water is needed for fat
metabolism. He said definitely yes. I asked him how much to drink to
lose weight and he gave me the standard "at least 64 ounces a day"
answer. So drink up, everybody.

What a crock

And, just how much do you recommend the average person drink a day?
Your comments are fine, but just saying, "What a crock" is not a
helpful reply.

--
Zilbandy

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:11:40 -0400, Mu
wrote:

On another subject, I asked my doctor today is water is needed for fat
metabolism. He said definitely yes. I asked him how much to drink to
lose weight and he gave me the standard "at least 64 ounces a day"
answer. So drink up, everybody.

What a crock

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:21:03 -0700, Zilbandy wrote:

And, just how much do you recommend the average person drink a day?
Your comments are fine, but just saying, "What a crock" is not a
helpful reply.

--
Zilbandy

No recommendation whatsoever but certainly not one mythological "64
ounces for everybody". The DocMoron claimed that " to lose weight ....
"at least 64 ounces a day".

I have drank 200 ounces and zero ounces of H2O in a day, over weeks
time, and lost weight and gained weight.

Are you a child or an adult, does this include all water or H2O only?
Are you exercising, or not, already dehydrated, or not. on meds, drink
booze, urinating none, little, some, all the day long? What about
watermelon and gummy bears, do they count, if so, why not, there's water
in them?

Is it the so-called "flushing" of water as it quickly passes through
your system, is it hot, warm, cold, cool? What is your salt intake,
potassium, all those things that like to bind with OH?

Dehydration strains the cardiovascular system by reducing blood volume.
For every liter of fluid lost during prolonged exercise, body
temperature rises by 0.3°C, heart rate elevates by about eight beats per
minute, and cardiac output (the volume of blood pumped by the heart per
minute) declines by 1 liter/min (according to Gatorade).

Get the idea?

There are very few simple answers to biochemistry, adipose weight loss
and pure water consumption included.

Oh my God. I agree with Mu.


"Mu" wrote in message
.. .


On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:11:40 -0400, Mu
wrote:

On another subject, I asked my doctor today is water is needed for fat
metabolism. He said definitely yes. I asked him how much to drink to
lose weight and he gave me the standard "at least 64 ounces a day"
answer. So drink up, everybody.

What a crock

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:21:03 -0700, Zilbandy wrote:

And, just how much do you recommend the average person drink a day?
Your comments are fine, but just saying, "What a crock" is not a
helpful reply.

--
Zilbandy

No recommendation whatsoever but certainly not one mythological "64
ounces for everybody". The DocMoron claimed that " to lose weight ....
"at least 64 ounces a day".

I have drank 200 ounces and zero ounces of H2O in a day, over weeks
time, and lost weight and gained weight.

Are you a child or an adult, does this include all water or H2O only?
Are you exercising, or not, already dehydrated, or not. on meds, drink
booze, urinating none, little, some, all the day long? What about
watermelon and gummy bears, do they count, if so, why not, there's water
in them?

Is it the so-called "flushing" of water as it quickly passes through
your system, is it hot, warm, cold, cool? What is your salt intake,
potassium, all those things that like to bind with OH?

Dehydration strains the cardiovascular system by reducing blood volume.
For every liter of fluid lost during prolonged exercise, body
temperature rises by 0.3°C, heart rate elevates by about eight beats per
minute, and cardiac output (the volume of blood pumped by the heart per
minute) declines by 1 liter/min (according to Gatorade).

Get the idea?

There are very few simple answers to biochemistry, adipose weight loss
and pure water consumption included.

On 16 Apr 2007 18:48:57 -0700, Sean wrote:


I had heel pain before. My doctor told me to buy walking shoes. I did
- they have foam in the insole, and my heel pain went away. Now the
shoes have worn out, but I seem to have been healed, because I can
again wear ordinary shoes without pain.


My husband suggested that I may need to see if there is any place
local (doubtful) that can make custom arch supports. I may have to
look into another style of walking shoe, though as this one style has
been good to me for years, I'm not sure that is the problem.

I suspect that I overdid things in the gym AND overused the shoes. The
new pair certainly feels much better, but it seems like once the
irritation/pain gets started, it is quite difficult for me to get
healed again.

I did, just the other day, try a different pair of arch supports that
seemed a little better, except for being too narrow. So I went and
bought the slightly wider (and longer) men's size today and I'll see
how that goes. I may have to do some trimming on the toe end though!


On another subject, I asked my doctor today is water is needed for fat
metabolism. He said definitely yes. I asked him how much to drink to
lose weight and he gave me the standard "at least 64 ounces a day"
answer. So drink up, everybody.


Will do! Although I kind of have to make myself do it sometimes, I do
feel that drinking my water helps.


--
Cynthia
262/240.5/152

The Top Poster Extraordinaire is my admirer.

/sigh/

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:33:49 GMT, Cubit wrote:

Oh my God. I agree with Mu.

"Mu" wrote in message
.. .


On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:11:40 -0400, Mu
wrote:

On another subject, I asked my doctor today is water is needed for fat
metabolism. He said definitely yes. I asked him how much to drink to
lose weight and he gave me the standard "at least 64 ounces a day"
answer. So drink up, everybody.

What a crock

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:21:03 -0700, Zilbandy wrote:

And, just how much do you recommend the average person drink a day?
Your comments are fine, but just saying, "What a crock" is not a
helpful reply.

--
Zilbandy

No recommendation whatsoever but certainly not one mythological "64
ounces for everybody". The DocMoron claimed that " to lose weight ....
"at least 64 ounces a day".

I have drank 200 ounces and zero ounces of H2O in a day, over weeks
time, and lost weight and gained weight.

Are you a child or an adult, does this include all water or H2O only?
Are you exercising, or not, already dehydrated, or not. on meds, drink
booze, urinating none, little, some, all the day long? What about
watermelon and gummy bears, do they count, if so, why not, there's water
in them?

Is it the so-called "flushing" of water as it quickly passes through
your system, is it hot, warm, cold, cool? What is your salt intake,
potassium, all those things that like to bind with OH?

Dehydration strains the cardiovascular system by reducing blood volume.
For every liter of fluid lost during prolonged exercise, body
temperature rises by 0.3°C, heart rate elevates by about eight beats per
minute, and cardiac output (the volume of blood pumped by the heart per
minute) declines by 1 liter/min (according to Gatorade).

Get the idea?

There are very few simple answers to biochemistry, adipose weight loss
and pure water consumption included.

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:08:25 -0800, Cynthia P wrote:

My husband suggested that I may need to see if there is any place
local (doubtful) that can make custom arch supports. I may have to
look into another style of walking shoe, though as this one style has
been good to me for years, I'm not sure that is the problem.

I suspect that I overdid things in the gym AND overused the shoes. The
new pair certainly feels much better, but it seems like once the
irritation/pain gets started, it is quite difficult for me to get
healed again.

Kiddo, you have entered a viscous circle of inflammation, inactivity,
reduced inflammation, reduced pain, increased activity and round and
round you go.

Mu has worked with many athletes, many, and their injuries are legion.
Rule Number One: Get well first and well /does not/ mean no pain. It
means time after pain, this is true recovery.

I did, just the other day, try a different pair of arch supports that
seemed a little better, except for being too narrow. So I went and
bought the slightly wider (and longer) men's size today and I'll see
how that goes. I may have to do some trimming on the toe end though!

May work, may not. To get properly fitted orthotics, you need a workup
by an ortho and a prescription for orthotic inserts (one shoe only).
With the prescription, your local PT can do a foot strike-vector test
and this will auto-design the orthotics for you. Most insurances will
pay.

But you know, at 240+, maybe the best thing to do is to focus on much
less consumption and wait until a better, less weighty day to become
exercise habitual.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:24:23 -0400, Mu wrote:

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:08:25 -0800, Cynthia P wrote:

My husband suggested that I may need to see if there is any place
local (doubtful) that can make custom arch supports. I may have to
look into another style of walking shoe, though as this one style has
been good to me for years, I'm not sure that is the problem.

I suspect that I overdid things in the gym AND overused the shoes. The
new pair certainly feels much better, but it seems like once the
irritation/pain gets started, it is quite difficult for me to get
healed again.

Kiddo, you have entered a viscous circle of inflammation, inactivity,
reduced inflammation, reduced pain, increased activity and round and
round you go.

Mu has worked with many athletes, many, and their injuries are legion.
Rule Number One: Get well first and well /does not/ mean no pain. It
means time after pain, this is true recovery.


Well, I have a doctor appointment with a general practitioner for
another reason Friday. So I will ask him if I need to see a foot
specialist or in general, what to do.

I nixed my workouts Monday and Tuesday to see if extra rest would
help, but of course, have been working in the yard and doing assorted
food prep so I can eat healthy, so I can't say my feet are *rested*...
they hurt considerably last night.

I had planned to resume weight workouts tomorrow and Friday, but maybe
I should take the whole week off. It's just that I find that when I
get inactive, it's harder to lose.

And I need to lose, obviously!


I did, just the other day, try a different pair of arch supports that
seemed a little better, except for being too narrow. So I went and
bought the slightly wider (and longer) men's size today and I'll see
how that goes. I may have to do some trimming on the toe end though!

May work, may not. To get properly fitted orthotics, you need a workup
by an ortho and a prescription for orthotic inserts (one shoe only).
With the prescription, your local PT can do a foot strike-vector test
and this will auto-design the orthotics for you. Most insurances will
pay.


We shall see what the doctor says. We aren't in the best area for
super care, but if he prescribes something, well, the PT place is
actually PART of the gym. The local hospital owns the whole thing.


But you know, at 240+, maybe the best thing to do is to focus on much
less consumption and wait until a better, less weighty day to become
exercise habitual.

I feel like I am going crazy not exercising. The pain seems worst at
night right now... I'm not getting so much pain in the morning as I
was, so maybe that's a good sign. I'm thinking I need to fight the
inflammation more, but I don't have a good place to sit with my foot
in ice water, like I used to do the first time I ever had this. Water
and hardwood floors are not a good mix.

Anyway, I am keeping up the eating small meals 5-6 times a day, so
hopefully that will keep my metabolism healthy.


--
Cynthia
262/240.5/152

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:06:23 -0800, Cynthia P wrote:

I suspect that I overdid things in the gym AND overused the shoes. The
new pair certainly feels much better, but it seems like once the
irritation/pain gets started, it is quite difficult for me to get
healed again.

Mu:

Kiddo, you have entered a viscous circle of inflammation, inactivity,
reduced inflammation, reduced pain, increased activity and round and
round you go.

Mu has worked with many athletes, many, and their injuries are legion.
Rule Number One: Get well first and well /does not/ mean no pain. It
means time after pain, this is true recovery.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:06:23 -0800, Cynthia P wrote:

Well, I have a doctor appointment with a general practitioner for
another reason Friday. So I will ask him if I need to see a foot
specialist or in general, what to do.

He may refer you, that is the simplest thing for him to do and, perhaps,
the safest for both you and him.

I nixed my workouts Monday and Tuesday to see if extra rest would
help, but of course, have been working in the yard and doing assorted
food prep so I can eat healthy, so I can't say my feet are *rested*...
they hurt considerably last night.

Rested means rested as in "not on them".

I had planned to resume weight workouts tomorrow and Friday, but maybe
I should take the whole week off. It's just that I find that when I
get inactive, it's harder to lose.

And I need to lose, obviously!


I did, just the other day, try a different pair of arch supports that
seemed a little better, except for being too narrow. So I went and
bought the slightly wider (and longer) men's size today and I'll see
how that goes. I may have to do some trimming on the toe end though!

May work, may not. To get properly fitted orthotics, you need a workup
by an ortho and a prescription for orthotic inserts (one shoe only).
With the prescription, your local PT can do a foot strike-vector test
and this will auto-design the orthotics for you. Most insurances will
pay.


We shall see what the doctor says. We aren't in the best area for
super care, but if he prescribes something, well, the PT place is
actually PART of the gym. The local hospital owns the whole thing.

But you know, at 240+, maybe the best thing to do is to focus on much
less consumption and wait until a better, less weighty day to become
exercise habitual.

I feel like I am going crazy not exercising. The pain seems worst at
night right now... I'm not getting so much pain in the morning as I
was, so maybe that's a good sign.

All this means is that the inflammation comes to max as the day wears on
and then subsides when you rest. Oh No, there's the "off your feet" word
again.

I'm thinking I need to fight the
inflammation more, but I don't have a good place to sit with my foot
in ice water, like I used to do the first time I ever had this. Water
and hardwood floors are not a good mix.

Ice inflammation, good, off feet, good, walking on feathers, bad.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:06:23 -0800, Cynthia P wrote:

Well, I have a doctor appointment with a general practitioner for
another reason Friday. So I will ask him if I need to see a foot
specialist or in general, what to do.

He may refer you, that is the simplest thing for him to do and, perhaps,
the safest for both you and him.

Cynthia P wrote:

That's just what he has done... and I was fortunate to get an
appointment for this coming Tuesday. Meanwhile, he prescribed a
steroid for 5 days only and has put me on a mega-dose of naproxen
sodium as an anti-inflammatory.

Yes, this is a very good approach, as I have said, you have to first
reduce the inflammation. The steroid I cannot comment on since I do not
know what it is. But my first guess is that it is also remedial to the
inflamed tissues and/or their repair.

The good thing is that he wants me back able to exercise too. He says
that the doctor he has sent me to is very good with this problem.

Certainly, this is where you want to be post-injury.

He said the recumbent bike may have been aggravating things, even
though I was not doing much resistance or speed.

The recumbent bike, well let's put it this way. It has limited use and
much abuse in use.

Out bodies were made for the raising and lowering of the knee without
restrictions at the thigh. Sitting i n a seat while pumping pedale isn't
going to work as it restricts your

I nixed my workouts Monday and Tuesday to see if extra rest would
help, but of course, have been working in the yard and doing assorted
food prep so I can eat healthy, so I can't say my feet are *rested*...
they hurt considerably last night.

Rested means rested as in "not on them".


Easier said than done, I can tell you that! Not on them means not
cooking/food prep, not shopping, no yard work, no house work, etc...

I've been trying to minimize how much I've been on my feet, but it
isn't helping so far. Anyway, right now the plan is to take things as
easy as I can manage, see what the new doctor says on Tuesday morning.

Wait until the anti-inflammatory meds kick in, this may take a day,
three or more. If you have no relief, and you have truly been off your
feet as much as you can, for a week, then revisit your Docs.

--
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´Oh your koala very cute¡ ever again. If there is an off chance that if
I do encounter a koala, I may have to punch it in the face as a result.
Even a pretty koala looks ugly with a broken nose.

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:28:28 -0400, Mu wrote:

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:06:23 -0800, Cynthia P wrote:

Well, I have a doctor appointment with a general practitioner for
another reason Friday. So I will ask him if I need to see a foot
specialist or in general, what to do.

He may refer you, that is the simplest thing for him to do and, perhaps,
the safest for both you and him.

Cynthia P wrote:

That's just what he has done... and I was fortunate to get an
appointment for this coming Tuesday. Meanwhile, he prescribed a
steroid for 5 days only and has put me on a mega-dose of naproxen
sodium as an anti-inflammatory.

Yes, this is a very good approach, as I have said, you have to first
reduce the inflammation. The steroid I cannot comment on since I do not
know what it is. But my first guess is that it is also remedial to the
inflamed tissues and/or their repair.


It does seem to be helping so far.

The good thing is that he wants me back able to exercise too. He says
that the doctor he has sent me to is very good with this problem.

Certainly, this is where you want to be post-injury.


Yes. It is for me, hard to stop exercising and hard to re-start... so
the less time I spend off, the happier I'll be. It was bad enough
restarting after being sick for a month and a half this winter.


He said the recumbent bike may have been aggravating things, even
though I was not doing much resistance or speed.

The recumbent bike, well let's put it this way. It has limited use and
much abuse in use.

Out bodies were made for the raising and lowering of the knee without
restrictions at the thigh. Sitting i n a seat while pumping pedale isn't
going to work as it restricts your



Hmm. I didn't think it was restricting my thigh. Actually, the first
time I ever used one, it felt weird to me, but the thing is, I can't
get comfortable on a regular upright exercise bike at my current
weight. I seriously can't tolerate sitting on one for more than a few
seconds.


I nixed my workouts Monday and Tuesday to see if extra rest would
help, but of course, have been working in the yard and doing assorted
food prep so I can eat healthy, so I can't say my feet are *rested*...
they hurt considerably last night.

Rested means rested as in "not on them".


Easier said than done, I can tell you that! Not on them means not
cooking/food prep, not shopping, no yard work, no house work, etc...

I've been trying to minimize how much I've been on my feet, but it
isn't helping so far. Anyway, right now the plan is to take things as
easy as I can manage, see what the new doctor says on Tuesday morning.

Wait until the anti-inflammatory meds kick in, this may take a day,
three or more. If you have no relief, and you have truly been off your
feet as much as you can, for a week, then revisit your Docs.


I have been pretty good about it. The thing that is worrying me a
little is that hubby and I were thinking of going bed shopping
tomorrow. This involves an hour's drive. As I don't prefer him driving
my car, and I don't like riding in his, I'm a little concerned the
driving may aggravate my foot. Hopefully, weather will be OK and I can
just use cruise control. As long as I don't have to brake hard, I
don't think just driving will be too bad.

But I'd rather not put the trip off, we need a new bed so bad and it's
so hard to get hubby to come with me to shop. The old mattress just is
killing me.


--
Cynthia
262/240.5/152