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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
"Ignoramus21819" wrote I am not at all sure what is the benefit of fake soy milk as opposed to cow milk. I don't want to drift off into a cow's milk argument here. I suggest you put "What's wrong with cow's milk?" into Google. You will get all the arguments on both sides and, believe me, there are plenty of them. I drank huge amounts of cow's milk when I was kid and, sure enough, I was a fat kid. But as my children were growing up, we seldom had it in the house because I had stopped drinking it long before and one of my sons could not drink even a swallow of the stuff because it caused his sinuses, throat and chest to start pumping out large quantities of mucus. (Not unusual, I understand.) I have just long taken the position that cow's milk has evolved specifically to make more cows. Seems to me that milk is baby food, and baby humans need to drink human milk and adult humans, no milk at all. But others may and do differ. mack austin |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
"Ignoramus21819" wrote in message ... In article , Mack wrote: The real problem lies with the parents and the pre-schools and government schools -- and the way they create early bad eating habits in their children. My 19-month old grand-daughter, who is being raised by fitness-oriented parents and grand-parents, was never fed canned baby food and almost never encounters any food with added sugar or salt. Her favorite foods are grilled or baked sweet potatoes, lean chicken & fish, vegetables, including broccoli, green beans and a variety of salad items, and many fruits, including strawberries and blueberries. She eats the fruits but does not drink the juice without the fiber. She's crazy about unsalted pumpkin seeds. My son (29 months old) also eats no junk food whatsoever and almost no sugar. I think that giving kids chidrens' junk food designed to be addictive to kids, is insane and malicious. She never even sees "fast" foods, potato chips, salty snacks, sugary cereal and the like. same here Now that she has stopped nursing, she does drink a little cow milk, at her parents' house, but also loves the unsweetened soy milk with added calcium that she gets at our house. I am not at all sure what is the benefit of fake soy milk as opposed to cow milk. In cow's milk you have all kinds of hormones that are given to the cows and pass through in the milk. I was reading on another fitness related newsgroup and the guys were discussing how you can get really huge (hooge I think is how they put it) by drinking a gallon of whole milk a day not just from the calories but also from the growth hormones. Soy milk doesn't have those things in it. I can't drink cow milk or most other dairy products because they cause too much phlegm production in my sinuses. I don't know what component in cow milk causes that but it's a severe reaction in me that I go out of my way to avoid. Tonia |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
Diarmid Logan wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm 'Put fat children on Atkins diet' Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said. .... "The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis of the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for losing weight." And the mandatory veggies, too. Why didn't he mention them? Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early heart attack. These guys really ought to try using facts for a change. Oh right, if they did that they'd stop being opponents. Atkins does not damage kidneys and is actively helpfull for the rest. Clueless folks. |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
"Diarmid Logan" wrote in message om... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm 'Put fat children on Atkins diet' I prefer: Help families with overweight children learn to eat better and get more excercise. Jeff's rules of food: 1) No arguements at the dinner table. ((s)he who starts and arguement leaves the table). 2) No mentioning how much or how little one eats at the table. 3) All food is eaten and all drink (except water) is drunk in designated areas (e.g., kitchen, dining room table). 4) No food in front of the TV/computer. 5) Only two hours of recreational computer, TV and video game use per day, combined. 6) Little unhealthy food is brought into the house (unhealthy food includes chips, cookies, cake) 7) When you can walk, you walk (e.g., if the grocery store is two blocks away, you walk, not ride. 8) The family goes to the park, church, etc., together. Jeff |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
"Tim Tyler" wrote in message news:HuMvG3.7Jq@bath
When a diet is described as "high in fat", it usually means the *percentage* of fat in the diet is high. It's the same with high protein diets. Atkins is a low carb diet - so it is high in fats and proteins - at least as far as the percentages go. Problem is, Tim, that Atkins is then criticised for being a 'dangerously' high-fat or 'worryingly' high-protein diet -- even though the *absolute amounts of these food-types consumed* may actually be *lower* for an appetite-suppressed Atkins dieter than for the sugar-crazed carb-junkie sitting next to them. This isn't *fair*, and it sure as hell ain't *honest*. The carbohydrate-whores are throwing the terms 'high fat' and 'high protein' around to *scare people*: it's as simple - and as disgraceful - as that. What you are saying, in fact, is tantamount to the claim that one can switch to a 'low fat' diet by just eating a helluva lot more *glucose*: 'it's lower in fats and proteins - at least as far as the percentages go...'. .. You're a *bright guy*, Tim -- so *why* do you keep selling out to the Dark Side on this matter? What issues do you have with this? Seriously. There *has to be a reason* why you stop making sense whenever this stuff crops up... M. |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
Use pure cream instead of milk, untrimmed meat instead of lean, no low fat
products etc. High fat and bad for you. A high protein I go for but not high fat too. "JC Der Koenig" wrote in message m... It's not a high fat diet either, in an absolute sense. -- Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. Becky P. "Ignoramus21819" wrote in message ... This is funny as this seems to be a dialog of people where both of them have no clue as to what they are talking about. One says that kids should be put on Atkins, which works becaus eit is "high protein". (bull****, as atkins is a high fat diet) Another objects by saying essentially nothing meaningful at all. i In article , Diarmid Logan wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm 'Put fat children on Atkins diet' Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said. Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites and keep children slim. Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and I am very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC Radio 5 Live. He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a "rethink". He added that children should be weighed regularly in school. The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK. In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese - almost double the figure in 1989. The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes diabetes, heart disease and some forms of cancer. Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots of meat and other high protein foods, while restricting carbohydrates, worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did not eat as much. "I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is why it works," he said. "The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis of the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for losing weight." Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early heart attack. But some British doctors are already putting obese children on Atkins-style diets. Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a residential home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the diet is good for children. "The children who come here are not just overweight, they are ill, and in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them can't lie down. "I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high protein - is a good diet for children and the priority is for these children to get weight off." But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council, warned that there is not enough research into the long-term health effects of being on the diet. "We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle as a matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising children to follow diets like Atkins." |
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"Jeff" wrote in message
... "Diarmid Logan" wrote in message om... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm 'Put fat children on Atkins diet' I prefer: Help families with overweight children learn to eat better and get more excercise. Jeff's rules of food: 1) No arguements at the dinner table. ((s)he who starts and arguement leaves the table). 2) No mentioning how much or how little one eats at the table. 3) All food is eaten and all drink (except water) is drunk in designated areas (e.g., kitchen, dining room table). 4) No food in front of the TV/computer. 5) Only two hours of recreational computer, TV and video game use per day, combined. 6) Little unhealthy food is brought into the house (unhealthy food includes chips, cookies, cake) 7) When you can walk, you walk (e.g., if the grocery store is two blocks away, you walk, not ride. 8) The family goes to the park, church, etc., together. Jeff Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...(*) M. (*) Where some people even have *spell-checkers*... |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
Ignoramus21819 wrote:
Anyway, I will read up on milk and hormones. Is there perhaps more expensive milk that is made from cows not fed hormones? Such as "organic" milk? Oh we have *special dairies* that sell *special milk* from *special cows* - all at a very *special price* here in Maine. hmph -- Walking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
If you want "buttermilk" you have to be really nice to the cows.
"SnugBear" wrote in message .4... Ignoramus21819 wrote: Anyway, I will read up on milk and hormones. Is there perhaps more expensive milk that is made from cows not fed hormones? Such as "organic" milk? Oh we have *special dairies* that sell *special milk* from *special cows* - all at a very *special price* here in Maine. hmph -- Walking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
You're an idiot. Hopefully you haven't reproduced yet.
-- Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. Becky P. "Pizza Girl" wrote in message s.com... Use pure cream instead of milk, untrimmed meat instead of lean, no low fat products etc. High fat and bad for you. A high protein I go for but not high fat too. "JC Der Koenig" wrote in message m... It's not a high fat diet either, in an absolute sense. -- Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. Becky P. "Ignoramus21819" wrote in message ... This is funny as this seems to be a dialog of people where both of them have no clue as to what they are talking about. One says that kids should be put on Atkins, which works becaus eit is "high protein". (bull****, as atkins is a high fat diet) Another objects by saying essentially nothing meaningful at all. i In article , Diarmid Logan wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm 'Put fat children on Atkins diet' Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said. Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites and keep children slim. Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and I am very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC Radio 5 Live. He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a "rethink". He added that children should be weighed regularly in school. The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK. In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese - almost double the figure in 1989. The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes diabetes, heart disease and some forms of cancer. Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots of meat and other high protein foods, while restricting carbohydrates, worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did not eat as much. "I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is why it works," he said. "The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis of the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for losing weight." Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early heart attack. But some British doctors are already putting obese children on Atkins-style diets. Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a residential home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the diet is good for children. "The children who come here are not just overweight, they are ill, and in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them can't lie down. "I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high protein - is a good diet for children and the priority is for these children to get weight off." But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council, warned that there is not enough research into the long-term health effects of being on the diet. "We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle as a matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising children to follow diets like Atkins." |
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