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Old October 1st, 2003, 03:26 AM
Susan Jones-Anderson
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What is it about a human being that makes them believe they can ever go
back to eating like they did prior to their diet/WOE? I was reading on
another NG & some posts and it struck me that most of the folks posting
had been up and down for years. And on every diet under the sun? So what
makes us think that we are omnipotent and we can go back to eating like
we did before? Personally I have never tried to diet before last June
15th when I decided to make this lifestyle change for me and my
children, so I have no history of ups and downs and being on that weight
roller coaster for years. Maybe this will be the start of that for me? I
sure hope not

Susan
260/219/160

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Old October 1st, 2003, 12:10 PM
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"Susan Jones-Anderson" wrote in message
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What is it about a human being that makes them believe they can ever go
back to eating like they did prior to their diet/WOE? I was reading on
another NG & some posts and it struck me that most of the folks posting
had been up and down for years. And on every diet under the sun? So what
makes us think that we are omnipotent and we can go back to eating like
we did before? Personally I have never tried to diet before last June
15th when I decided to make this lifestyle change for me and my
children, so I have no history of ups and downs and being on that weight
roller coaster for years. Maybe this will be the start of that for me? I
sure hope not


Here's a question for you. You've now found a healthier way of eating and
you are losing weight - right? Once you reach your goal, do you plan to go
back to your old way of eating? No - right? (the answer should be an
emphatic NO).

That's where alot of "diets" go wrong. Yeah, you "diet" and lose weight
but when these people reach goal, the go off the "diet" and go back to their
old way of eating. Of course that old way of eating made them fat once, it
will make them fat again. They didn't learn a damned thing by doing what
they did.

Successful weight loss stories always include a LONG TERM change in
lifestyle that includes both food and exercise. They change their way of
eating (woe) and way of life (wol). Those are the terms we use in here.
"diet" should be considered a 4 letter word. :-)

Diets are for people who want to yoyo through life. WOE and WOL are for
those who intend to stay healthy for the remainder of our life.



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Old October 1st, 2003, 01:24 PM
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In article , "Susan Jones-Anderson"
wrote:

What is it about a human being that makes them believe they can ever go
back to eating like they did prior to their diet/WOE? I was reading on
another NG & some posts and it struck me that most of the folks posting
had been up and down for years. And on every diet under the sun? So what
makes us think that we are omnipotent and we can go back to eating like
we did before? Personally I have never tried to diet before last June
15th when I decided to make this lifestyle change for me and my
children, so I have no history of ups and downs and being on that weight
roller coaster for years. Maybe this will be the start of that for me? I
sure hope not

Susan
260/219/160

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3weeks 1days 16:26hours of being smoke-free, 914 cigs not smoked,
$169.09 saved, 3day 4:10hours of my life saved



I have been on my weight loss journey for the last seven years. I've
only had one instance where I gained--went over my goal weight by 15
pounds--and that was because I got complacent and lazy about tracking
intake. I know I have to stick to my calorie allowance or gain--even
though I exercise regularly.

It comes down to this: My WOE is for the rest of my life. Exercise is
for the rest of my life. It has to be a permanent life change, or it
will never last.

Amy
168/115
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Old October 1st, 2003, 01:44 PM
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"Susan Jones-Anderson" wrote
What is it about a human being that makes them believe they can ever go
back to eating like they did prior to their diet/WOE? I was reading on
another NG & some posts and it struck me that most of the folks posting
had been up and down for years. And on every diet under the sun? So what
makes us think that we are omnipotent and we can go back to eating like
we did before? Personally I have never tried to diet before last June
15th when I decided to make this lifestyle change for me and my
children, so I have no history of ups and downs and being on that weight
roller coaster for years. Maybe this will be the start of that for me? I
sure hope not


They only "dieted" Susan - they didn't change.

Change isn't so hard, resistance to change is painful.

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Laurie in Maine
207/110 60 inches of attitude!
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Old October 1st, 2003, 02:53 PM
B P Beresh
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It starts with the major commercial and published diets, including
this last one in which my wallet was not also on a diet (losing money
to its weight-watcher group meeting--I had gone there for a year with
nearly no results, but I still had the entire diet plan in my
possession and used it for many months).

The meeting groups (and some health clubs) play a shell game with us
who have serious weight problems, because the bulk of their clientele
(and there have been studies showing this) have about 20 pounds to
lose. Many have less, and some have a cosmetic few to lose. ONE SIZE
DOES NOT FIT ALL!

(This is why I am not surprised at why that in-your-face Dr. Phil has
gotten into the game lately. Us ex-New Yorkers like him!)

Commercial diet hucksters and the national media write Cinderella
stories (those before-and-after airbrushed photos included), use
phrases such as, "It won't be long before you're eating what your
skinny friends can eat," and talk about the "after" dress sizes of
their "results not typical" stars in vanity sizing terms.

I recently invented my own diet, which evolved out of my very last,
gimmicky commercial one. For my part, I consider that I am keeping 80
pounds from returning.

Oh, and I made sure my current health club is not the kind that
follows you around with a tape measure and a clipboard (and weigh-ins,
etc.), and more or less leaves you alone. I can't afford a personal
trainer, but neither do I lack one since I am just in that weight room
for routine toning and I don't expect atypical results.


Tina
226/197/146/143

Balanced
Yesterday, I ate 1,436 Calories
I am not couting exercise or activity "points"
I probably did too much yesterday, because I could not sleep much @
night


"Susan Jones-Anderson" wrote in message ...
What is it about a human being that makes them believe they can ever go
back to eating like they did prior to their diet/WOE? I was reading on
another NG & some posts and it struck me that most of the folks posting
had been up and down for years. And on every diet under the sun? So what
makes us think that we are omnipotent and we can go back to eating like
we did before? Personally I have never tried to diet before last June
15th when I decided to make this lifestyle change for me and my
children, so I have no history of ups and downs and being on that weight
roller coaster for years. Maybe this will be the start of that for me? I
sure hope not

Susan
260/219/160

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3weeks 1days 16:26hours of being smoke-free, 914 cigs not smoked,
$169.09 saved, 3day 4:10hours of my life saved

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Old October 1st, 2003, 05:15 PM
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In article , "Susan Jones-Anderson"
wrote:
we did before? Personally I have never tried to diet before last June
15th when I decided to make this lifestyle change for me and my
children, so I have no history of ups and downs and being on that weight
roller coaster for years. Maybe this will be the start of that for me? I
sure hope not


Hi Susan,
As someone who has gone up and down for years, I'll try to answer.

Mostly, it starts small. Portions get a little bit bigger, those french fries
that you haven't been eating for months suddenly look great, and since you're
doing well, a few won't hurt. "Treats" happen more often, a stressful day and
suddenly you "deserve" that candy bar. The scale starts to move and you
convince yourself that it's just water weight from too much salt. You get
tired of eating the same foods all the time, and your new meals aren't as
healthy.

Mieko
232/204.5/200 (mini-goal)
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Old October 1st, 2003, 07:20 PM
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In article , Ignoramus28710 wrote:


But if you gain more than, say, 10 lbs, you know it is not water
gain. No rationalization would stand up!


You'd be suprised at what you can talk yourself into. Either that or just stop
getting on the scale. Or you decide that you're a failure and that you're
destined to be fat all your life, and you might as well eat like a pig. Or
you get wrapped up with something else in your life and it changes your WOE.

Losing weight is a lot of work. But keeping it off can be just as hard, if not
harder.

Mieko

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Old October 1st, 2003, 10:06 PM
janice
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Well, I don't pretend to know the answers, but I'm one of those folks
you describe, who have been up and down for years.
Despite my own experiences, or perhaps because of them, I agree with
all the others here who have said that you need to make real changes.
This is why I think "ownership" of your WOE is important, not just
blindly following a programme that someone else has imposed on you.
I really hope that for you this is a one way journey. Your history is
already different from mine, in that I started dieting years ago when
much less was known about unsuitable vs good ways of eating, and I
fell prey to many restrictive diets and food replacement programmes in
my constant quest for the ultimate answer.
Also, in all that time I've never quite reached what I regard as a
satisfactory weight, and in some ways I think it has to be a bit
easier to maintain than to fight the battle before you get there. But
of course it's no use believing you can just go back to what you did
before because experience must tell you that this was how you were
overweight in the first place.
See, I know all the answers and truly believe in what I'm saying. I
just wish it was easier to put it into practice 100%.

janice
233/161/133


On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:26:52 -0500, "Susan Jones-Anderson"
wrote:

What is it about a human being that makes them believe they can ever go
back to eating like they did prior to their diet/WOE? I was reading on
another NG & some posts and it struck me that most of the folks posting
had been up and down for years. And on every diet under the sun? So what
makes us think that we are omnipotent and we can go back to eating like
we did before? Personally I have never tried to diet before last June
15th when I decided to make this lifestyle change for me and my
children, so I have no history of ups and downs and being on that weight
roller coaster for years. Maybe this will be the start of that for me? I
sure hope not

Susan
260/219/160

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3weeks 1days 16:26hours of being smoke-free, 914 cigs not smoked,
$169.09 saved, 3day 4:10hours of my life saved




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Old October 1st, 2003, 10:09 PM
janice
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On 1 Oct 2003 16:22:30 GMT, Ignoramus28710
wrote:

But if you gain more than, say, 10 lbs, you know it is not water
gain. No rationalization would stand up!



Where on earth does rationalisation come into any of this?

janice
233/161/133
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Old October 2nd, 2003, 03:44 AM
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"Mieko" wrote

You'd be suprised at what you can talk yourself into. Either that or just

stop
getting on the scale. Or you decide that you're a failure and that you're
destined to be fat all your life, and you might as well eat like a pig.

Or
you get wrapped up with something else in your life and it changes your

WOE.

Losing weight is a lot of work. But keeping it off can be just as hard, if

not
harder.

Mieko



My dear friend who has done the yo-yo thing for years simply quits getting
on the scale. This time it's going on 3 months and yet, she wants a report
from me every Monday morning. I guess it's easier to be vested in my
progress than her own? I love her anyway.

--
Walking on . . .
Laurie in Maine
207/110 60 inches of attitude!
Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03


 




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