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The "hunger is starvation" delusion
Julie Bove wrote:
"Tiger Lily" wrote in message ... Kaz Kylheku wrote: Indeed, I have seen in these newsgroups, two pounds of food per day being called a ``starvation diet''. Only a pig could possibly think that. guess andie has changed his 'story' once again he used to include all fluid intake in his 2lb diet personally, i enjoy lots of 'free veggies' and foods that don't spike my bg levels I collect old books, particularly those on cooking, food, diets, heallth, etc. I have one for pregnant women from the 1940's and in it, they restrict liquids. I guess in those days they thought the liquid you consume had an effect on weight. Sad. the first pregnancy is typically hard on a woman's kidney's did they specifically say 'weight gain'? |
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The "hunger is starvation" delusion
"Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message
... On 2009-05-12, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: Kaz Kylheku wrote: [snip] Indeed, I have seen in these newsgroups, two pounds of food per day being called a ``starvation diet''. Depends on two pounds of what. Two pounds of lard a day is not a starvation diet, but two pounds of low-calorie foods a day easily could be. And two pounds of sugar or starch a day is definitely not good for a diabetic. |
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The "hunger is starvation" delusion
"Julie Bove" wrote in message
... "Doug Freyburger" wrote in message ... "Julie Bove" wrote: [snip] Water is one of the reasons there are articles like "Why the Scale Lies". The scale measures lost fat indirectly and it's quite inaccurate at it. The scale just happens to be a very easy tool to use, so it gets widely overused. Doug ----------------- My reply...for some reason this didn't come out with the 's on it. True, but it just doesn't seem healthy to restrict fluids for a pregnant woman! Then again in those days they didn't want the pregnant women to gain weight. I don't know if they used speed in those days but they did when I was born. My mom didn't take it with me, but she did with my brother. He is younger than I am and they felt she gained too much weight with me. I think she gained 10 or 12 pounds. The Dr. prescribed it. Julie .. One possibility: I noticed that both Doug's message and your reply use the quoted-printable coding. The Windows Mail email/newsreader program I use is known to often have problems quoting posts in quoted-printable coding correctly; it tends to leave out the extra characters. Since the Outlook Express you use is also from Microsoft, and is older, I wouldn't be susprised if it has that problem also. Robert Miles |
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The "hunger is starvation" delusion
"Tiger Lily" wrote in message ... Julie Bove wrote: "Tiger Lily" wrote in message ... Kaz Kylheku wrote: Indeed, I have seen in these newsgroups, two pounds of food per day being called a ``starvation diet''. Only a pig could possibly think that. guess andie has changed his 'story' once again he used to include all fluid intake in his 2lb diet personally, i enjoy lots of 'free veggies' and foods that don't spike my bg levels I collect old books, particularly those on cooking, food, diets, heallth, etc. I have one for pregnant women from the 1940's and in it, they restrict liquids. I guess in those days they thought the liquid you consume had an effect on weight. Sad. the first pregnancy is typically hard on a woman's kidney's did they specifically say 'weight gain'? The book didn't say, but my parents have told me that in those days, pregnant women were discouraged from gaining. |
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The "hunger is starvation" delusion
On Wed, 13 May 2009 23:49:19 -0500, Robert Miles wrote:
"Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message ... On 2009-05-12, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: Kaz Kylheku wrote: [snip] Indeed, I have seen in these newsgroups, two pounds of food per day being called a ``starvation diet''. Depends on two pounds of what. Two pounds of lard a day is not a starvation diet, but two pounds of low-calorie foods a day easily could be. Incorrect. Explain how you could climb Mt. Everest on 2PD then? -- http://tinyurl.com/5gt7 |
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The "hunger is starvation" delusion
MU wrote:
Robert Miles wrote: Kaz Kylheku wrote: Indeed, I have seen in these newsgroups, two pounds of food per day being called a ``starvation diet''. Depends on two pounds of what. Two pounds of lard a day is not a starvation diet, but two pounds of low-calorie foods a day easily could be. Incorrect. Explain how you could climb Mt. Everest on 2PD then? Or explain the following YouTube video of someone who has been keeping at 32 ounces a day for 12 years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8B_70Jp-kc Love in the truth, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Cardiologist and Author of "Be Hungry" http://NetCabal.com Only GOD can cut the "hunger is starvation" delusion from our hearts: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...81ab7d7ce78de? |
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The "hunger is starvation" delusion
Kaz Kylheku wrote:
MU wrote: Uh, correct. It does. All except water. Do you think you **** out everything liquid? Surely there is an exception for near-waters, like tea. I don't have to weigh my hatomugi cha, do I? Even black coffee need not be weighed, IMHO, but any milk going into it should be. Correct. Liquids with significant macro-nutritional content should be weighed and added to the running total of ounces being consumed for the day. On comment about drinking fluids is that there is wisdom in drinking only to thirst. If one is truly thirsty, there is nothing more desirable than clear cold water. Fluids that contain calories, like juices and milk, are the enemies of good eating. They are rapidly absorbed without triggering all of the satiety signals. Ideally, everything that contains calories should be a bulky solid that can push against your stomach walls. Fluid calories have precisely two uses: feeding infants and the sick. Weighing these fluids will discourage their inclusion. If you have only 907 grams to work with, you will think twice before putting a 300g sugary drink on the scale. Better drink 300g of tea or water, and save the 300g for real food. Also, fluids are awkward to weigh because they have to be contained, and you must subtract the mass of the containers. Thus, in two ways, this 2PD discourages the bat habit of quaffing your calories, which is a nice point in favor of this approach. Personally been using the 2PD-OMER Approach for 12 years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8B_70Jp-kc The healthiest people are truly the hungriest people :-) Love in the truth, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Cardiologist http://T3WiJ.com |
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The "hunger is starvation" delusion
On May 14, 2:43*am, "Andrew B. Chung" wrote:
Or explain the following YouTube video of someone who has been keeping at 32 ounces a day for 12 years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8B_70Jp-kc You doing pushups on your back porch is hardly the equivalent of a conditioned athlete climbing Mt. Everest. Would suggest you contact your psychiatrist regarding your cognitive dissonance. |
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The "hunger is starvation" delusion
Truth:
The two pound diet,aka 2pd etc. is quack science. It has flaws of both fact and logic. It was invented to fit a preexisting agenda and does not flow from evidence based on research. The diet inventor has many times been appraised of his flaws but clings to them for reasons other then science or valid medical practice All of this nonsense of measure by weight or volume comes from the agenda fitting, not well established research. But sadly even the agenda is based on misunderstood and misapplied information. Even when corrected the author of the agenda for nothing but pride and vain face saving can not deal with that truth. Bottom line, ignore any reference to the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc. and stick with established information and sources of expert authorities which does not include the vanity of vanity distorting reality in this case. God bless. |
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The "hunger is starvation" delusion
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message ... The healthiest people are truly the hungriest people :-) Then why are they dying of disease and suffering nutritional deficiencies that weaken the immune system? |
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