If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#41
|
|||
|
|||
Is there a good external scale to measure health???
wrote You mean slower the heart rate better is the health.. Maybe for an athlete, but not for the average person. IIRC, 60 is bad. (Or maybe 50.) There are many "indicators" of good health. Weight, body fat %, heart rate, blood pressure, the speed at which your pulse returns to normal after strenuous exercise, your cholesterol level, the amount of sugar, liver and kidney enzimes in your blood, the list goes on. I'm pretty sure that *nobody* is able to keep up, 100%, with everything. That's the way it is! To try and count the indicators of good or bad health would be like trying to count the grains of sand on the beach. Take care of yourself, see a doctor when you need to & be happy. |
#43
|
|||
|
|||
Is there a good external scale to measure health???
On Jul 10, 1:25 pm, "em" wrote:
wrote You mean slower the heart rate better is the health.. Maybe for an athlete, but not for the average person. IIRC, 60 is bad. (Or maybe 50.) There are many "indicators" of good health. Weight, body fat %, heart rate, blood pressure, the speed at which your pulse returns to normal after strenuous exercise, your cholesterol level, the amount of sugar, liver and kidney enzimes in your blood, the list goes on. I'm pretty sure that *nobody* is able to keep up, 100%, with everything. That's the way it is! To try and count the indicators of good or bad health would be like trying to count the grains of sand on the beach. Take care of yourself, see a doctor when you need to & be happy. I heard during the Zoology lecture during my college days, the slower the heart beat of the organism, the longer is it's life. I've heard that Yogi's in India, try to get their heart rate below.. any updates? |
#44
|
|||
|
|||
Is there a good external scale to measure health???
wrote I've heard that Yogi's in India, try to get their heart rate below.. any updates? I know of two Yogi's here in the U.S. One spends most of his time stealing pic-i-nik baskets and running from The Ranger. His best friend's name was Boo Boo. The other Yogi was something of a philosopher. He spent half his time working, half his time having fun, and the other half of the time he would sleep. -- |
#45
|
|||
|
|||
Is there a good external scale to measure health???
chuckle Hadn't thought about Yogi and Boo Boo in a looooong time. =c)
"em" wrote in message ... wrote I've heard that Yogi's in India, try to get their heart rate below.. any updates? I know of two Yogi's here in the U.S. One spends most of his time stealing pic-i-nik baskets and running from The Ranger. His best friend's name was Boo Boo. The other Yogi was something of a philosopher. He spent half his time working, half his time having fun, and the other half of the time he would sleep. -- |
#46
|
|||
|
|||
Is there a good external scale to measure health???
On Jul 11, 4:41 pm, wrote:
On Jul 10, 1:25 pm, "em" wrote: wrote You mean slower the heart rate better is the health.. Maybe for an athlete, but not for the average person. IIRC, 60 is bad. (Or maybe 50.) There are many "indicators" of good health. Weight, body fat %, heart rate, blood pressure, the speed at which your pulse returns to normal after strenuous exercise, your cholesterol level, the amount of sugar, liver and kidney enzimes in your blood, the list goes on. I'm pretty sure that *nobody* is able to keep up, 100%, with everything. That's the way it is! To try and count the indicators of good or bad health would be like trying to count the grains of sand on the beach. Take care of yourself, see a doctor when you need to & be happy. I heard during the Zoology lecture during my college days, the slower the heart beat of the organism, the longer is it's life. I've heard that Yogi's in India, try to get their heart rate below.. any updates? ?? Any one knows the relation between pulse rate and longevity ??? |
#47
|
|||
|
|||
Is there a good external scale to measure health???
On Jul 11, 10:17 pm, "em" wrote:
wrote I've heard that Yogi's in India, try to get their heart rate below.. any updates? I know of two Yogi's here in the U.S. One spends most of his time stealing pic-i-nik baskets and running from The Ranger. His best friend's name was Boo Boo. The other Yogi was something of a philosopher. He spent half his time working, half his time having fun, and the other half of the time he would sleep. -- Well that surely will increase my pulse rate ))) I meant real YOGI not those who move with the ORANGE dress.. LD |
#48
|
|||
|
|||
Is there a good external scale to measure health???
On Jul 11, 12:13 am, Bill Eitner wrote:
wrote: On Jul 10, 2:07 am, Bill Eitner wrote: wrote: On Jul 7, 11:13 pm, Bill Eitner wrote: wrote: On Jul 5, 10:03 pm, Bill Eitner wrote: wrote: Ok.. I just kept wondering if there was actually some product devised to measure health.. Yes, it's called a medical examination. It does not seem impossible though.... Something that can meter 1. Breathing quality 2. Weight 3. Height 4. Strength Just guessing Don't confuse health and fitness. It's possible to be healthy and unfit or fit and unhealthy. Health in the most basic sense is the absence of disease, whereas fitness is performance oriented. Treat the two (health and fitness) as separate entities with separate gauging criteria. I surely understand that.. I was just wondering about a device being able to measure both... If you understand that health and fitness are separate yet are seeking a single device/test for both, you are in conflict/contradiction. There will never be such a device because there are too many variables. This will surely be a wish list for the scientists to come up with a compact device... that's able to measure that.. Devices exist that help gauge both health and fitness. However, health and fitness are complex and require multiple tests. For example, blood pressure and blood glucose after an overnight fast are measures of health. Resting pulse is a measure of both cardiovascular health and fitness. These three tests as well as body temperature can all be performed by the patient/client using compact devices. Bodyweight, BMI, body composition (bodyfat percentage), and waist/hip ratio can all be calculated by the client (do-it-yourself) using compact devices. There's also a lot to be said for simply asking yourself how you feel. Are you pain-free and able-bodied? Can you do the things you want to do? Can you do everything you feel a person your age should be able to do? A single, non-invasive test can never hope to encompass all of that. Hmm humans are tooooooo good ... I am sure that it is not easy to device one.. But nothing is impossible.. When man invent devices that can go to different galaxies. This is just a small thing. It's nice that you have faith in man and an upbeat attitude, but many physics limitations in our universe are a long way from being solved or worked around. Many who are in the know feel that some are just too vast to ever be solved. A book you might want to read is: "The Physics of Star Trek." It gets into the realities of developing warp drive, transporter technology, and maybe even the medical scanning devices that were used in the show. It's been a while since I read it. To summarize, in the areas of communications and computers we've met and/or exceeded the technology of the original series. In the areas of space travel, local travel (transporter), weapons, shielding, and medical technology we aren't much closer than we were 40 years ago when the original series aired. The problems in those areas are just too daunting. The laws of physics stand in the way and are just too big to ever be moved out of the way. Don't take my word for it, read the book and see if you don't feel differently about this after you've read it. The thing is there's not much of awareness about this requirement. If there was one I am sure it would have been there in the market. The problem now days are that people invest into ideas that sell You don't think a device like that would sell or that a dozen companies would jump at the chance to manufacture such a device if the technology existed? Such a device does exist--it's called a pulse monitor (or even a wrist or stop watch). If you're going to rely on one test, it might as well be resting pulse. Average is 72 beats per minute. Anything under 60 is considered athletic and quite healthy. For example, Lance Armstrong the champion cyclist is said to have a resting pulse of 40 or even less. At the other end, anything over 100 raises a flag. Here's an excerpt from an article on pulse testing: Why It Is Done Your pulse is checked to: * See how well the heart is working. In an emergency situation, your pulse rate can help find out if the heart is pumping enough blood. * Help find the cause of symptoms, such as an irregular or rapid heartbeat (palpitations), dizziness, fainting, chest pain, or shortness of breath. * Check for blood flow after an injury or when a blood vessel may be blocked. * Check on medicines or diseases that cause a slow heart rate. Your doctor may ask you to check your pulse every day if you have heart disease or if you are taking certain medicines that can slow your heart rate, such as digoxin or beta-blockers (like propranolol or atenolol). (And here's the one that's of most interest to you) * Check your general health and fitness level. Checking your pulse rate at rest, during exercise, or immediately after vigorous exercise can give you important information about your overall fitness level. Here's the entire article: http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/Pulse-Measurement Great article .. I never knew having a pulse below 60 is good health.... You mean slower the heart rate better is the health.. In general, yes. The ideal example is a person who through diet, exercise and stress management sees a decrease in their resting heart rate. The decrease in resting heart rate over time is an indication of improved health and fitness as is their improved potential for physical performance and body composition. Here is something I found Power Yoga Power yoga is a derivative of flow or astanga yoga. It is a continuous sequence of asanas with an emphasis on developing awareness and control of the breath. This leads to increased will power, clarity of thought, and self confidence. Asanas are not thought to be invented by a human but are the gift of Lord Siva, who originally described 8,400,000 poses. Of this knowledge, only a scant few remain. Power yoga is designed to improve the health of the spine, posture and lower back as well as to balance and strengthen the nervous system and focus the mind. When you improve the way energy flows in your body, you change the way your energy interacts with other people's energy. You change the way you think and feel about yourself, and the way that others think and feel about you. Slow Deep & Restorative Yoga Slow deep poses help relieve the effects of chronic stress in several ways. First, the use of props provides a supportive environment for total relaxation. As well as the use of gravity for developing the experience of surrender. Second, each slow deep sequence is designed to move the spine in all directions. These movements illustrate the age-old wisdom of yoga that teaches well-being is enhanced by a healthy spine. Some of the slow deep stretch poses are backbends, while others are forward bends. Additional poses gently twist the column both left and right. Third, a slow deep restorative practice usually includes an inverted pose, which reverses the effects of gravity. This can be as simple as putting the legs on a bolster or pillow, but the effects are quite dramatic. Because we stand or sit most of the day, blood and lymph fluid accumulate in the lower extremities. By changing the relationship of the legs to gravity, fluids are returned to the upper body and heart function is enhanced. Psychobiologist and yoga teacher Roger Cole, Ph.D., consultant to the University of California, San Diego, in sleep research and biological rhythms, has done preliminary research on the effects of inverted poses. He found that they dramatically alter hormone levels, thus reducing brain arousal, blood pressure, and fluid retention. He attributes these benefits to a slowing of the heart rate and dilation of the blood vessels in the upper body that comes from reversing the effects of gravity. Fourth, restorative yoga alternately stimulates and soothes the organs. For example, by closing the abdomen with a forward bend and then opening it with a backbend, the abdominal organs are squeezed, forcing the blood out, and then opened, so that fresh blood returns to soak the organs. With this movement of blood comes the enhanced exchange of oxygen and waste products across the cell membrane Finally, yoga teaches that the body is permeated with energy. Prana, the masculine energy, resides above the diaphragm, moves upward, and controls respiration and heart rate. Apana, the feminine energy, resides below the diaphragm, moves downward, and controls the function of the abdominal organs. Atma yoga balances these two aspects of energy so that the practitioner is neither overstimulated nor depleted. All of this is of course magnified by the use of breath control, particularly by extending the exhalation. Kundalini yoga Kundalini yoga is a practice for mechanically rewiring the way energy moves through your body, through your chakras, and through your aura. This is accomplished through intensive kriyas (activities/exercises) which are combinations of asanas (yoga postures), pranayama (breathing techniques), mudras (gestures), bandas (energy locks), and mantras (sacred sound vibrations). It is considered a very fast acting yoga. It strongly conditions and strengthens the nervous system. It is a yoga for modern spiritual warriors. The origins of Kundalini yoga are ancient, said to be originated by Kartikeya, son of Lord Siva. They are secrets, only talked about recently. The full essence of it remains hidden. Preliminary descriptions of it can be found in the Gherad Samhita, Siva Samhita, and Kundalini Upanishad. Hope you will enjoy reading it.. LD |
#49
|
|||
|
|||
Is there a good external scale to measure health???
wrote:
On Jul 11, 12:13 am, Bill Eitner wrote: wrote: On Jul 10, 2:07 am, Bill Eitner wrote: wrote: On Jul 7, 11:13 pm, Bill Eitner wrote: wrote: On Jul 5, 10:03 pm, Bill Eitner wrote: wrote: Ok.. I just kept wondering if there was actually some product devised to measure health.. Yes, it's called a medical examination. It does not seem impossible though.... Something that can meter 1. Breathing quality 2. Weight 3. Height 4. Strength Just guessing Don't confuse health and fitness. It's possible to be healthy and unfit or fit and unhealthy. Health in the most basic sense is the absence of disease, whereas fitness is performance oriented. Treat the two (health and fitness) as separate entities with separate gauging criteria. I surely understand that.. I was just wondering about a device being able to measure both... If you understand that health and fitness are separate yet are seeking a single device/test for both, you are in conflict/contradiction. There will never be such a device because there are too many variables. This will surely be a wish list for the scientists to come up with a compact device... that's able to measure that.. Devices exist that help gauge both health and fitness. However, health and fitness are complex and require multiple tests. For example, blood pressure and blood glucose after an overnight fast are measures of health. Resting pulse is a measure of both cardiovascular health and fitness. These three tests as well as body temperature can all be performed by the patient/client using compact devices. Bodyweight, BMI, body composition (bodyfat percentage), and waist/hip ratio can all be calculated by the client (do-it-yourself) using compact devices. There's also a lot to be said for simply asking yourself how you feel. Are you pain-free and able-bodied? Can you do the things you want to do? Can you do everything you feel a person your age should be able to do? A single, non-invasive test can never hope to encompass all of that. Hmm humans are tooooooo good ... I am sure that it is not easy to device one.. But nothing is impossible.. When man invent devices that can go to different galaxies. This is just a small thing. It's nice that you have faith in man and an upbeat attitude, but many physics limitations in our universe are a long way from being solved or worked around. Many who are in the know feel that some are just too vast to ever be solved. A book you might want to read is: "The Physics of Star Trek." It gets into the realities of developing warp drive, transporter technology, and maybe even the medical scanning devices that were used in the show. It's been a while since I read it. To summarize, in the areas of communications and computers we've met and/or exceeded the technology of the original series. In the areas of space travel, local travel (transporter), weapons, shielding, and medical technology we aren't much closer than we were 40 years ago when the original series aired. The problems in those areas are just too daunting. The laws of physics stand in the way and are just too big to ever be moved out of the way. Don't take my word for it, read the book and see if you don't feel differently about this after you've read it. The thing is there's not much of awareness about this requirement. If there was one I am sure it would have been there in the market. The problem now days are that people invest into ideas that sell You don't think a device like that would sell or that a dozen companies would jump at the chance to manufacture such a device if the technology existed? Such a device does exist--it's called a pulse monitor (or even a wrist or stop watch). If you're going to rely on one test, it might as well be resting pulse. Average is 72 beats per minute. Anything under 60 is considered athletic and quite healthy. For example, Lance Armstrong the champion cyclist is said to have a resting pulse of 40 or even less. At the other end, anything over 100 raises a flag. Here's an excerpt from an article on pulse testing: Why It Is Done Your pulse is checked to: * See how well the heart is working. In an emergency situation, your pulse rate can help find out if the heart is pumping enough blood. * Help find the cause of symptoms, such as an irregular or rapid heartbeat (palpitations), dizziness, fainting, chest pain, or shortness of breath. * Check for blood flow after an injury or when a blood vessel may be blocked. * Check on medicines or diseases that cause a slow heart rate. Your doctor may ask you to check your pulse every day if you have heart disease or if you are taking certain medicines that can slow your heart rate, such as digoxin or beta-blockers (like propranolol or atenolol). (And here's the one that's of most interest to you) * Check your general health and fitness level. Checking your pulse rate at rest, during exercise, or immediately after vigorous exercise can give you important information about your overall fitness level. Here's the entire article: http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/Pulse-Measurement Great article .. I never knew having a pulse below 60 is good health.... You mean slower the heart rate better is the health.. In general, yes. The ideal example is a person who through diet, exercise and stress management sees a decrease in their resting heart rate. The decrease in resting heart rate over time is an indication of improved health and fitness as is their improved potential for physical performance and body composition. Here is something I found Power Yoga Power yoga is a derivative of flow or astanga yoga. It is a continuous sequence of asanas with an emphasis on developing awareness and control of the breath. This leads to increased will power, clarity of thought, and self confidence. Asanas are not thought to be invented by a human but are the gift of Lord Siva, who originally described 8,400,000 poses. Of this knowledge, only a scant few remain. Power yoga is designed to improve the health of the spine, posture and lower back as well as to balance and strengthen the nervous system and focus the mind. When you improve the way energy flows in your body, you change the way your energy interacts with other people's energy. You change the way you think and feel about yourself, and the way that others think and feel about you. Slow Deep & Restorative Yoga Slow deep poses help relieve the effects of chronic stress in several ways. First, the use of props provides a supportive environment for total relaxation. As well as the use of gravity for developing the experience of surrender. Second, each slow deep sequence is designed to move the spine in all directions. These movements illustrate the age-old wisdom of yoga that teaches well-being is enhanced by a healthy spine. Some of the slow deep stretch poses are backbends, while others are forward bends. Additional poses gently twist the column both left and right. Third, a slow deep restorative practice usually includes an inverted pose, which reverses the effects of gravity. This can be as simple as putting the legs on a bolster or pillow, but the effects are quite dramatic. Because we stand or sit most of the day, blood and lymph fluid accumulate in the lower extremities. By changing the relationship of the legs to gravity, fluids are returned to the upper body and heart function is enhanced. Psychobiologist and yoga teacher Roger Cole, Ph.D., consultant to the University of California, San Diego, in sleep research and biological rhythms, has done preliminary research on the effects of inverted poses. He found that they dramatically alter hormone levels, thus reducing brain arousal, blood pressure, and fluid retention. He attributes these benefits to a slowing of the heart rate and dilation of the blood vessels in the upper body that comes from reversing the effects of gravity. Fourth, restorative yoga alternately stimulates and soothes the organs. For example, by closing the abdomen with a forward bend and then opening it with a backbend, the abdominal organs are squeezed, forcing the blood out, and then opened, so that fresh blood returns to soak the organs. With this movement of blood comes the enhanced exchange of oxygen and waste products across the cell membrane Finally, yoga teaches that the body is permeated with energy. Prana, the masculine energy, resides above the diaphragm, moves upward, and controls respiration and heart rate. Apana, the feminine energy, resides below the diaphragm, moves downward, and controls the function of the abdominal organs. Atma yoga balances these two aspects of energy so that the practitioner is neither overstimulated nor depleted. All of this is of course magnified by the use of breath control, particularly by extending the exhalation. Kundalini yoga Kundalini yoga is a practice for mechanically rewiring the way energy moves through your body, through your chakras, and through your aura. This is accomplished through intensive kriyas (activities/exercises) which are combinations of asanas (yoga postures), pranayama (breathing techniques), mudras (gestures), bandas (energy locks), and mantras (sacred sound vibrations). It is considered a very fast acting yoga. It strongly conditions and strengthens the nervous system. It is a yoga for modern spiritual warriors. The origins of Kundalini yoga are ancient, said to be originated by Kartikeya, son of Lord Siva. They are secrets, only talked about recently. The full essence of it remains hidden. Preliminary descriptions of it can be found in the Gherad Samhita, Siva Samhita, and Kundalini Upanishad. Hope you will enjoy reading it.. LD I don't remember. Were you the person who asked which is better Yoga or bodybuilding? It doesn't really matter. I'm a follower of Buddhist psychology and breathing meditation, but I'm not into Yoga at all. I strongly prefer what I call a western approach to exercise. My approach is equipment/machine based. Resistance training using free weights and machines, aerobic work using machines like stairmasters, versaclimbers and elliptical trainers, and flexibility/range of motion work using swiss balls and anything else that might help. |
#50
|
|||
|
|||
Is there a good external scale to measure health???
On Jul 13, 11:08 am, Bill Eitner wrote:
I don't remember. Were you the person who asked which is better Yoga or bodybuilding? It doesn't really matter. I'm a follower of Buddhist psychology and breathing meditation, but I'm not into Yoga at all. I strongly prefer what I call a western approach to exercise. My approach is equipment/machine based. Resistance training using free weights and machines, aerobic work using machines like stairmasters, versaclimbers and elliptical trainers, and flexibility/range of motion work using swiss balls and anything else that might help. We do know any Group that is good at discussing breathing technique, I've heard at multiple occasion that lowering your heart beat rate is something that can increase your life. People in the past have lived more that 300 years. Some times these seem to be tales, but could that be true. LD |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Waist - How to Measure? | Renegade5 | General Discussion | 4 | April 9th, 2005 11:19 PM |
Hip to Waist Ratio | Paul Patterson | General Discussion | 3 | April 7th, 2005 12:15 PM |
I just can't get my waist down!!! I AM FRUSTRATED! | Healthy Stealthy ; | General Discussion | 25 | July 12th, 2004 02:36 PM |
My pics, bare from the waist up. | Steven C. \(Doktersteve\) | Low Carbohydrate Diets | 24 | February 11th, 2004 06:54 PM |
Waist Watchers Soda | Preesi | Low Carbohydrate Diets | 0 | December 31st, 2003 03:48 PM |