? on juicing

new to the group but havnt really seen any post on this. has anyone used
one of those 'juicers' to aid in thier weight loss.
if so, what type of recipes did you use, what type of juice extracter etc?

thanks for the help

--
Todd

Fresh fruit is higher in fibre than juice, and more satisfying. It's
a lot easier to drink far more calories in juice than to eat the whole
fruit. The programme I am on allows unlimited fruit, but I'm required
to measure and count juice. Fresh veg juice is normally lower in
calories than fruit juice, but again you can't beat the real thing for
fibre and satisfaction.
Having said that, I'm sure fresh juice is a much more healthy option
than other things you could be having instead, but I personally
wouldn't recommend fruit juice as good for weight loss.

janice
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On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:57:19 -0400, "Todd A." wrote:

new to the group but havnt really seen any post on this. has anyone used
one of those 'juicers' to aid in thier weight loss.
if so, what type of recipes did you use, what type of juice extracter etc?

thanks for the help

If you are talking about a juice only diet forget it.
All specialty diets are ultimately boring and the people
go off them, then if they did lose weight they gain it
back.

Start an exercise program and learn how to eat right.

"Todd A." wrote:

new to the group but havnt really seen any post on this. has anyone used
one of those 'juicers' to aid in thier weight loss.
if so, what type of recipes did you use, what type of juice extracter etc?

thanks for the help

--
Todd

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:57:19 -0400, "Todd A." wrote:

new to the group but havnt really seen any post on this. has anyone used
one of those 'juicers' to aid in thier weight loss.
if so, what type of recipes did you use, what type of juice extracter etc?

Yes. I use a de-juicer for my diet. I am interested in my health and
weight loss combined.

I am a chef and I work in a large kitchen. There is another chef there
who brought a de-juicer in from his home and said any of us could use
it.
I began to use it there and then purchased my own for my home use.

I have found it to do for me what I wanted it too. It is a good tool
for my weight loss also.

The recipes I use for my "power plant drinks" are for my own design.
I do not know why you might be considering one therefore I can't
advise you on what combination of items to juice.

But to touch on the basic reasons for me;

It is advised we eat six vegetable servings a day.
a half cup equals a serving.

That is three cups of vegetables each day. which is a lot of food to
prepare and to eat.

When one heats vegetables above 105 degrees (F) it kills most of the
vitamins and all enzymes in it.

I find that juicing my vegetables allows me to get my six servings
each day with the vitamins and enzymes intact.

This is from my goal of eating for better health.

As for the weight loss goal it has really made a difference in my
hunger cravings. I have this idea, but no proof other than my own
feelings, that most of our hunger cravings is from our body which is
lacking some vitamin we are "not" giving to it. I think in my case it
might have been something from a certain vegetable. I say this because
since I have been drinking my vegetable juices I have lost my
cravings.

As I am a large man who has always had a giant appetite this has
amazed me. I have dieted before and I always had deep hunger cravings
when ever I was on a restricted food intake diet.

I even have further proof, again this is from my own deduction and not
from any medical source. In the booklet included with my juice machine
(I bought the Mr. Juice man machine) was an article on Fasting with
Juice and its benefits. I decided that might be a good thing to do.
I thought I would try it. It suggested a twenty four hour fast to
maybe a forty-eight hour one.

I ate my lite supper one night and began my fast. I started at ten
p.m. as the only fear I had doing the fast was that I would lay in my
bed to sleep with this "intense hunger' and I did not want to put
myself through that. My idea was to start the Fast at ten and end it
at ten the next night. Therefore I would be full when I went to bed
after my late meal and would be able to eat again the next night at
ten and not have to ever get into the bed hungry.

I drank my vegetable drink the next morning. I went through the whole
day drinking my juice three times. (for my meals at meal time) and I
did not feel one moment of hunger. It was as though I had eaten.
The twenty four hours ended and I was so relaxed about it I thought I
would try for more hours. I said to myself. I have done the 24 hours
and it has benefited me now I will just go towards the 48 and if at
anytime the hunger hits me I can eat as I have done the 24 (my goal)
But I did not feel hunger again the next day. I drank my juices and it
was enough.

I broke the fast the second night at ten with some broth soup. And
worked up to a few pieces of whole wheat bread and other solid foods
as though I had not changed anything. I say that because the book
suggested I go back on solid foods slowly.

Since that time I have fasted two days of 24 hours each and two days
of 48 each month.

I am not suggesting that you or anyone fast. I am just mentioning this
because I have found drinking vegetable juices has aided me in my
diet.

I have not went off a fast and eaten any more than the 1500 calories a
day I have set for myself when I eat. I have begun the next eating day
from a fast as a day for my same 1500 calorie limit. Therefore I have
lost the calories for those fasting days.
Which has resulted in my losing weight quicker.

But understand me please. I am did not change my diet because of
weight control I changed it because of health. I have been reading a
lot of books on health and diet is very important. I began my health
diet about six months ago and I have lost twelve inches from my waist.
I went from size 52 pants to 38 which are getting loose now.

I am feeling good and can move about better. I can run up the same two
flights of stairs without breathing heavy.. which six months ago I
couldn't walk up them without stopping to catch my breath.

I take my bike for twenty miles trips just for the exercise. I don't
mean exercise to lose weight but from the fact I have such an excess
of energy in me, something I thought was only in my youth years.
(I am almost 60 years of age) I have to get up from my couch and go do
something because I can feel all this energy in me I just want to
move.
I can move fast at work. I have to cook eleven entrees a day for 1500
students in a college where I work at. And I have noticed how quick I
can move my body and twist and turn at a much faster rate.

One has to jump from the steam pot, to the ovens to the tilt stove in
seconds as one has six or seven different items cooking..

I burn the meat loaf and I have destroyed four hundred pounds of
ground round. Smile. Such acts does NOT make happy bosses.

I would recommend the juicer for anyone. If you get interested in it
let me know and I will help you in any details you might want to know
which I do. There was only two books in the main library where I am
living now, about de juicing so I know there might be a limited source
for you learn from.

There are different recipes for different reasons. There is ample
evidence which shows that raw vegetable juice can heal certain medical
problems. And there are recipes for that. I do not use mine for that
reason. But one can go into depth with this idea.

I guess this is long enough. Again my fingers don't seem to know when
to hush.. Smile.

You can write here or you can write me personally:



Feel free to contact me either way.

Monte

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:57:19 -0400, "Todd A." wrote:

new to the group but havnt really seen any post on this. has anyone used
one of those 'juicers' to aid in thier weight loss.
if so, what type of recipes did you use, what type of juice extracter etc?

thanks for the help


I bought a juicer at one point, but quickly returned it. One, I didn't
much care for the taste of most vegetable juices and two.... I found
that it basically wasted all the good fiber. Three... one needed quite
a bit of produce to feed it to make a glass of juice, which also
seemed rather expensive.

It's just so much easier to eat the fruits and vegetables themselves.

1) Before you all start condeming juiceing as PART of a diet, understand the
real value, I wont repeat what was alreadys said, othere than if I LIKED raw
Veg, I'd eat them, By adding some fruit to the veg juice , it makes it more
platable.
2) By using a filling juice blend INSTEAD of a meal, i.e LUNCH you can lower
body fat & weight. This is a whole lot better than ANY meal replacement
system on the market ( like slim fast, myoplex or HMR)
Natural sugars in fresh fruit are a whole lot better than the refined sugars
in all packaged products.
3) Fiber adds nothing nutritionally other than as an appetite filler, as
HUMANS can not digest them, despite what many people think. Fiber is good
for bowel regularity and cancer prevention by mechanical means nothing more

I have a very simple diet belief, ANYTHING in moderation with exercise.
Keep your calories down, eat early , eat regularly ( not skip meals) and
avoind marked swings in your calorie loads
--
Todd A

On 25 Sep 2003 13:33:43 GMT, Ignoramus1857
wrote:


Well Monte, yes, I agree it takes time to prepare vegetables. But you
do not have to prepare them, for the most part. Examples: tomatoes,
peppers, cucumbers, cauliflower, etc, can just be eaten raw. Very
easy.

Yes.. exactly. If one wants to eat just the kinds of vegetables which
are "tasteful".. but one I intake a great number of different ones. I
choose mine from the colors. I also want to give my system a "rest"
from digesting foods. This is one of my goals. As I have read a number
of articles indicating we have and might be still overworking our
digestive systems. There are alit of vegetables I want to have in my
system which would not be easy for me to just pick up and eat because
of their taste alone.

understandable. And the juices probably do not contain much sugar
either, I would guess. Just vitamins and nutrients. No fiber though.

Yes, I am very aware that Fruit has sugar in it. I only juice
"vegetables" and not fruit. I eat my two fruits each day. I follow one
of the pyramid charts in my number of servings each day from the food
groups. I do not want more fruit in me than what is advised for my
"health".

I have the same feelings exactly. If I have a craving for something
these days (that is not on my verboten list), I simply eat that
stuff. If I want to eat fish oil, or butter, or meat, or 5 tomatoes, I
just do it, of course counting it towards the daily budget.

That sounds a lot like me too.

Since that time I have fasted two days of 24 hours each and two days
of 48 each month.

did it make you feel better?

Yes. But you must understand what I am doing. I read that a diet rich
in vegetables and fruits and light in animals and animal products
beings one a better immune system to fight off diseases and illness.

I am not trying to just achieve my "ideal weight" by doing this alone.
The weight loss is in my plan but it is secondary to my main objective
and that is to get as healthy as I can and to build up my system
towards not only good health but to keep a strong immune system for
any later attacks of diseases.

With this in mind the reason I went into the juices was to give my
body as much nutrition from the plant world other than the animal
world.

By juicing my vegetables, and I am not saying that this could not be
done with eating them too, I feel I am giving my body the vitamins
from what I want to give to it "from". This makes me feel good.
I feel good that I am actually doing something good for me.
Now whether it is the best or that there might be a better way I do
not know of. But I feel this way is good. I would not want to take the
time or make the effort to sit and eat three cups of vegetables two
times a day. I can drink them two, three or four times a day.

The fasting.. does make me feel good. Again this is my theory from my
reading. And I am "not" saying anyone else should do this and if they
don't then they are wrong. I am saying this is what I do. And that I
have experience and an opinion from juice drinking and I just gave my
opinion to that person who asked it. The fasting goes along with what
I said earlier about attempting to get my body into some kind of
better health condition.
I really abused my body for seven years and I am a year from the age
my father died suddenly of a massive heart attack. So I feel I need to
get on the stick here and do something before I am under the ground
years sooner than I should be.

I have read that the human body builds ten billion of it's one hundred
billion cells each day. Ten billion cells are killed off by the body
and ten billion are built to take the deceased cells place.

These cells are built from the food we eat. Our bodies need a certain
number of certain vitamins and minerals etc. And our bodies build
better cells if it has the right kind of nutrition each day and it
does this even better if the body is not digesting any solid food.
So the idea of fasting comes into play. I have read books written from
doctors who state that one's body can use a rest from digesting solid
foods and there are certain enzymes which the body uses to build
these new cells and to digest food. There is the theory that when we
eat solid food our body's system has to send some of the cell building
enzymes to our digestive system to help digest the food.
When we fast we keep all those enzymes working on our new cells.

I am not a writer, so bare in mind I am trying to explain something to
you which I have only read and not explained to anyone outside of my
own inner mind. Smile.

Then I read this long horrible report on how there are germs and toxic
waste in our own colons.. and it stays in there, hair and items which
the system captured from getting into our bodies.. And it is blocked
up in there. The cure for this was a fast and a cleansing out.
Which means, by fasting you empty your digestive system and by using a
laxative you can flush your system out. The books even suggested that
one fast or use a liquid diet one day a week. Twenty four hour fast
would do one good and a forty eight hour would be even better.

I was so concerned over these reports that I just was lead to feel I
should do a fast to help my body towards it's health.

I read some of these ideas in the manual which came with my Mr. Juice
machine and so when I began my juicing I was thinking along these
lines of doing this fast. And this article in the juice manual got me
thinking of those other fasting articles I had read some weeks
earlier.

I told myself one day a few week ago. I would try it. I would try for
the 24 hour fast with vegetable juices for my only substance.

I went to the drug store, talked to the man there, and he suggested a
strong laxative for me. I went to my room. Ate my supper that night.
The next day I did not eat. I drank three glasses of my vegetable
drinks.
I came to my room, I worked that day. I took the two doses of
laxatives. Within an hour it began to work on me. It worked pretty
strong and it kept my thinking of food at a very minimum.
Ten o'clock came and it was the end of my 24 hours fast. I was
surprised at the fact that I was not hungry at all. I felt empty but I
did not have any hunger pains. I just felt kind of weak, after the
doses of laxatives.
I decided that I would go as long as I could toward the 48 hour goal.
but if the hunger got too much I would eat as I had already did the 24
hour fast.

I went to sleep and woke up.. and found out the laxative bout was
over.
I then drank some juice. Took another 12 ounce bottle of it in my
sports bag and took off out of my room. I went to the mall and the
movies, as I wanted to keep busy to not think about eating.

I came back to my room, around six that evening. I still hadn't felt
any hunger pains. I waited until ten and fixed me some broth and then
worked some whole wheat bread in.. and then some fish.. I did not have
any problems with eating solid foods or any discomfort.

I do not know if I can answer your question or not about whether I
have done myself good. I feel good thinking I am doing something which
I believe is good for me.

I did not eat anymore food that first day back to eating than I would
have if I had not went on the fast.
so you can say.. I did save on 5000 calories and that went to my
weight loss goal..
So it was not a total loss or a complete waste of time.
I waited another week and went on a 24 hour fast.
Tonight I begin a 48 hour one again. I feel good about it. I feel it
will do me good.

But one last point and I shall go to bed.. smile. they don't call me
Monte the Mouth for nothing you know.. smile.

And this is very important too me. I discovered that when I went on
these Fasts, and my fast goals was to help my body work towards being
more healthy and not for any weight loss, I discovered that with that
motive in mind my diet for weight loss was the small one and I sat if
on the back burner of my mind. I was going to keep to my fast as my
body's health was in need of it.
When I discovered that I could actually go two days and nights without
any solid foods and not suffer for it. It made my diet for weight
control easier. I mean I feel I now control my body and tell it what
food it will not only want but what it will be getting.
This has been very important too me and my diet. As I have let my body
tell me what it wants and how much. Now I feel I have the horse in
front where it belongs to serve me and I do not have to serve him.

So do I feel better doing my juice and fasting. Yes. I do.

I am sure people can find fault with it but that is true with
everything. There is always a good and a bad to everything.
But is the trade off good for me? I think so. It is a plan and I am
satisfied with me. I have lost many pounds and I have went from size
52 pants to 38 ( this month alone I have went down two pants sizes) I
have one more size to go.

Sorry for the length of this.

Monte

On 25 Sep 2003 19:06:29 GMT, Ignoramus1857
wrote:

In article , George wrote:

one needed quite a bit of produce to feed it to make a glass of
juice, which also seemed rather expensive.

that's because you had a lousy juicer... I agree with the rest of your
post.

i

If I *really* wanted to juice... I'd use my Vitamixer... fiber is
retained there, though one's veggie juice may be a bit, well, sludgy,
unless you strain out the fiber. But frankly, I'd rather eat my
vegetables. They taste better that way. So does my fruit.