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Can a low-carb diet fail if you take in too many calories?



 
 
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Old August 12th, 2004, 10:40 PM
jamie
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Ignoramus14701 wrote:
In article , PJx wrote:

I agree with you. And so does several million others who went from
low-fat to low-carb high protein/fat and consumed double the calories
and started losing weight.


Did you see this study? Kids put on a low carb diet ate 60% more and
lost more weight. The study was randomized.


Did you read the study extract? The "60% more" was compared to the
1100 calorie diet of the other group. 60% more only amounts to 1780
calories total. Not 2000, not 2500, and certainly not 3000 or 5000 or
"unlimited fat" as being claimed in this thread.

It also says their foods were limited to meat, cheese, eggs, poultry
and fish, and a couple of salads a day. No bowls of whipped cream
or LC shakes with half a cup of heavy cream added. No sugarfree
desserts and junkfoods, no LC products. The majority of excess fats
that stall LCers come from snacks and desserts that weren't on their
menus, except for cheese (and the extract doesn't mention whether
snacking between meals was allowed or prohibited).

One may be able to eat somewhat more calories on LC than on low-fat
and lose, but there is absolutely nothing to suggest that one can
eat unlimited fat and lose, or fail to gain.


Sondike S, Jacobson, Copperman. The ketogenic diet increases weight
loss but not cardiovascular risk: A randomized controlled trial. J
Adolescent Health Care 2000; 26: 91.

Schneider Children?s Hospital in New Hyde Park, N.Y

This study was conducted on overweight children aged 12 to 18. They
were between 20 and 100 pounds overweight. The children were split
into two groups. One group ate a conventional low-fat, carbohydrate
based "slimming" diet composed of whole grains, fruits and vegetables
with fat-free dairy products, low-fat meats, poultry and fish. Their
total intake was limited to 1,100 calories per day. The other group
ate a high-fat, low-carb diet in which they were allowed to eat as
many calories as they wanted in the form of untrimmed meat, cheese,
eggs, poultry and fish. Their carbohydrates came from two salads a
day and minimal other carbs.


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Old August 12th, 2004, 10:40 PM
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Ignoramus14701 wrote:
In article , PJx wrote:

I agree with you. And so does several million others who went from
low-fat to low-carb high protein/fat and consumed double the calories
and started losing weight.


Did you see this study? Kids put on a low carb diet ate 60% more and
lost more weight. The study was randomized.


Did you read the study extract? The "60% more" was compared to the
1100 calorie diet of the other group. 60% more only amounts to 1780
calories total. Not 2000, not 2500, and certainly not 3000 or 5000 or
"unlimited fat" as being claimed in this thread.

It also says their foods were limited to meat, cheese, eggs, poultry
and fish, and a couple of salads a day. No bowls of whipped cream
or LC shakes with half a cup of heavy cream added. No sugarfree
desserts and junkfoods, no LC products. The majority of excess fats
that stall LCers come from snacks and desserts that weren't on their
menus, except for cheese (and the extract doesn't mention whether
snacking between meals was allowed or prohibited).

One may be able to eat somewhat more calories on LC than on low-fat
and lose, but there is absolutely nothing to suggest that one can
eat unlimited fat and lose, or fail to gain.


Sondike S, Jacobson, Copperman. The ketogenic diet increases weight
loss but not cardiovascular risk: A randomized controlled trial. J
Adolescent Health Care 2000; 26: 91.

Schneider Children?s Hospital in New Hyde Park, N.Y

This study was conducted on overweight children aged 12 to 18. They
were between 20 and 100 pounds overweight. The children were split
into two groups. One group ate a conventional low-fat, carbohydrate
based "slimming" diet composed of whole grains, fruits and vegetables
with fat-free dairy products, low-fat meats, poultry and fish. Their
total intake was limited to 1,100 calories per day. The other group
ate a high-fat, low-carb diet in which they were allowed to eat as
many calories as they wanted in the form of untrimmed meat, cheese,
eggs, poultry and fish. Their carbohydrates came from two salads a
day and minimal other carbs.


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Old August 13th, 2004, 03:15 AM
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jk wrote:

| This is an interesting issue. First of all if your fear is eating
| too much fat, that's not the problem. You can eat 5000 calories of
| fat a day, and I guarantee you it will run right through your body
| and you'll lose weight.

Sorry, but that's science fiction. Fat is metabolized at about half the
rate of carbohydrates, but too many fat calories will cause weight gain
also.

Where in the world did you read or hear that fat calories "just run right
through the body?" If only it were true!
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Old August 13th, 2004, 03:15 AM
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jk wrote:

| This is an interesting issue. First of all if your fear is eating
| too much fat, that's not the problem. You can eat 5000 calories of
| fat a day, and I guarantee you it will run right through your body
| and you'll lose weight.

Sorry, but that's science fiction. Fat is metabolized at about half the
rate of carbohydrates, but too many fat calories will cause weight gain
also.

Where in the world did you read or hear that fat calories "just run right
through the body?" If only it were true!
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Old August 13th, 2004, 03:17 AM
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jk wrote:

But seriously...
| eating 5000 calories of fat all by itself won't make you fat. It's a
| fact that dietary fat doesn't convert to serum or body fat. It's only
| when you add carbs to it, that the body starts converting.


You are dispensing totally false information. Warning to Newbies: This is
abslutely untrue.
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Old August 13th, 2004, 03:26 AM
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The Voice of Reason wrote:

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A high
| protein intake and resistance exercise is crucial to any plan to lose
| fat.


Sorry, but you are incorrect. This is your own theory and should not be
presented as fact.

I have a disability and get very little exercise. I do not eat high amounts
of protein; only about the same amount as before low. carb. I've lost 60
pounds so far, mostly fat as evidenced by my pictures. My own weight loss
is proof that you're wrong.

Peter
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Old August 13th, 2004, 03:26 AM
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The Voice of Reason wrote:

snip
A high
| protein intake and resistance exercise is crucial to any plan to lose
| fat.


Sorry, but you are incorrect. This is your own theory and should not be
presented as fact.

I have a disability and get very little exercise. I do not eat high amounts
of protein; only about the same amount as before low. carb. I've lost 60
pounds so far, mostly fat as evidenced by my pictures. My own weight loss
is proof that you're wrong.

Peter
270/213/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html


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Old August 13th, 2004, 02:10 PM
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On 12 Aug 2004 13:23:37 -0700, The Voice of Reason wrote:

A high
protein intake and resistance exercise is crucial to any plan to lose
fat.


Absolutely not.
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Old August 13th, 2004, 02:10 PM
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On 12 Aug 2004 13:23:37 -0700, The Voice of Reason wrote:

A high
protein intake and resistance exercise is crucial to any plan to lose
fat.


Absolutely not.
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Old August 13th, 2004, 02:43 PM
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"DJ Delorie" wrote in message
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Elevated ASP can also activate insulin release from the pancreas.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/for...ead.php?t=2689


Good thread, thanks. This answers a question I posted for Doug Freyburger
yesterday. It looks like fat intake does stimulate insulin release to some
extent, via ASP. Although ASP is also influenced by insulin. I wonder how
much these factors are influenced by diet macronutrient composition and/or
hypocaloric vs. hypercaloric intake.

Anyway, I liked the simple (simplistic but not necessarily untrue) answer:
fat makes fat... lol. Good forum, I wasn't aware of it and will have to
check in there again.

HG


 




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