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Can a low-carb diet fail if you take in too many calories?
Ignoramus14701 wrote:
In article , PJx wrote: I agree with you. And so does several million others who went from low-fat to low-carb high protein/fat and consumed double the calories and started losing weight. Did you see this study? Kids put on a low carb diet ate 60% more and lost more weight. The study was randomized. Did you read the study extract? The "60% more" was compared to the 1100 calorie diet of the other group. 60% more only amounts to 1780 calories total. Not 2000, not 2500, and certainly not 3000 or 5000 or "unlimited fat" as being claimed in this thread. It also says their foods were limited to meat, cheese, eggs, poultry and fish, and a couple of salads a day. No bowls of whipped cream or LC shakes with half a cup of heavy cream added. No sugarfree desserts and junkfoods, no LC products. The majority of excess fats that stall LCers come from snacks and desserts that weren't on their menus, except for cheese (and the extract doesn't mention whether snacking between meals was allowed or prohibited). One may be able to eat somewhat more calories on LC than on low-fat and lose, but there is absolutely nothing to suggest that one can eat unlimited fat and lose, or fail to gain. Sondike S, Jacobson, Copperman. The ketogenic diet increases weight loss but not cardiovascular risk: A randomized controlled trial. J Adolescent Health Care 2000; 26: 91. Schneider Children?s Hospital in New Hyde Park, N.Y This study was conducted on overweight children aged 12 to 18. They were between 20 and 100 pounds overweight. The children were split into two groups. One group ate a conventional low-fat, carbohydrate based "slimming" diet composed of whole grains, fruits and vegetables with fat-free dairy products, low-fat meats, poultry and fish. Their total intake was limited to 1,100 calories per day. The other group ate a high-fat, low-carb diet in which they were allowed to eat as many calories as they wanted in the form of untrimmed meat, cheese, eggs, poultry and fish. Their carbohydrates came from two salads a day and minimal other carbs. -- jamie ) "There's a seeker born every minute." |
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Ignoramus14701 wrote:
In article , PJx wrote: I agree with you. And so does several million others who went from low-fat to low-carb high protein/fat and consumed double the calories and started losing weight. Did you see this study? Kids put on a low carb diet ate 60% more and lost more weight. The study was randomized. Did you read the study extract? The "60% more" was compared to the 1100 calorie diet of the other group. 60% more only amounts to 1780 calories total. Not 2000, not 2500, and certainly not 3000 or 5000 or "unlimited fat" as being claimed in this thread. It also says their foods were limited to meat, cheese, eggs, poultry and fish, and a couple of salads a day. No bowls of whipped cream or LC shakes with half a cup of heavy cream added. No sugarfree desserts and junkfoods, no LC products. The majority of excess fats that stall LCers come from snacks and desserts that weren't on their menus, except for cheese (and the extract doesn't mention whether snacking between meals was allowed or prohibited). One may be able to eat somewhat more calories on LC than on low-fat and lose, but there is absolutely nothing to suggest that one can eat unlimited fat and lose, or fail to gain. Sondike S, Jacobson, Copperman. The ketogenic diet increases weight loss but not cardiovascular risk: A randomized controlled trial. J Adolescent Health Care 2000; 26: 91. Schneider Children?s Hospital in New Hyde Park, N.Y This study was conducted on overweight children aged 12 to 18. They were between 20 and 100 pounds overweight. The children were split into two groups. One group ate a conventional low-fat, carbohydrate based "slimming" diet composed of whole grains, fruits and vegetables with fat-free dairy products, low-fat meats, poultry and fish. Their total intake was limited to 1,100 calories per day. The other group ate a high-fat, low-carb diet in which they were allowed to eat as many calories as they wanted in the form of untrimmed meat, cheese, eggs, poultry and fish. Their carbohydrates came from two salads a day and minimal other carbs. -- jamie ) "There's a seeker born every minute." |
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Can a low-carb diet fail if you take in too many calories?
jk wrote:
| This is an interesting issue. First of all if your fear is eating | too much fat, that's not the problem. You can eat 5000 calories of | fat a day, and I guarantee you it will run right through your body | and you'll lose weight. Sorry, but that's science fiction. Fat is metabolized at about half the rate of carbohydrates, but too many fat calories will cause weight gain also. Where in the world did you read or hear that fat calories "just run right through the body?" If only it were true! -- Peter 270/215/180 Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html |
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jk wrote:
| This is an interesting issue. First of all if your fear is eating | too much fat, that's not the problem. You can eat 5000 calories of | fat a day, and I guarantee you it will run right through your body | and you'll lose weight. Sorry, but that's science fiction. Fat is metabolized at about half the rate of carbohydrates, but too many fat calories will cause weight gain also. Where in the world did you read or hear that fat calories "just run right through the body?" If only it were true! -- Peter 270/215/180 Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html |
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Can a low-carb diet fail if you take in too many calories?
jk wrote:
But seriously... | eating 5000 calories of fat all by itself won't make you fat. It's a | fact that dietary fat doesn't convert to serum or body fat. It's only | when you add carbs to it, that the body starts converting. You are dispensing totally false information. Warning to Newbies: This is abslutely untrue. -- Peter 270/215/180 Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html |
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Can a low-carb diet fail if you take in too many calories?
The Voice of Reason wrote:
snip A high | protein intake and resistance exercise is crucial to any plan to lose | fat. Sorry, but you are incorrect. This is your own theory and should not be presented as fact. I have a disability and get very little exercise. I do not eat high amounts of protein; only about the same amount as before low. carb. I've lost 60 pounds so far, mostly fat as evidenced by my pictures. My own weight loss is proof that you're wrong. Peter 270/213/180 Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html |
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The Voice of Reason wrote:
snip A high | protein intake and resistance exercise is crucial to any plan to lose | fat. Sorry, but you are incorrect. This is your own theory and should not be presented as fact. I have a disability and get very little exercise. I do not eat high amounts of protein; only about the same amount as before low. carb. I've lost 60 pounds so far, mostly fat as evidenced by my pictures. My own weight loss is proof that you're wrong. Peter 270/213/180 Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html |
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Can a low-carb diet fail if you take in too many calories?
On 12 Aug 2004 13:23:37 -0700, The Voice of Reason wrote:
A high protein intake and resistance exercise is crucial to any plan to lose fat. Absolutely not. |
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On 12 Aug 2004 13:23:37 -0700, The Voice of Reason wrote:
A high protein intake and resistance exercise is crucial to any plan to lose fat. Absolutely not. |
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Can a low-carb diet fail if you take in too many calories?
"DJ Delorie" wrote in message
... Elevated ASP can also activate insulin release from the pancreas. http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/for...ead.php?t=2689 Good thread, thanks. This answers a question I posted for Doug Freyburger yesterday. It looks like fat intake does stimulate insulin release to some extent, via ASP. Although ASP is also influenced by insulin. I wonder how much these factors are influenced by diet macronutrient composition and/or hypocaloric vs. hypercaloric intake. Anyway, I liked the simple (simplistic but not necessarily untrue) answer: fat makes fat... lol. Good forum, I wasn't aware of it and will have to check in there again. HG |
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