hello from a newbie

"clarrie" wrote in message
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On 20 Jan 2004 14:58:02 GMT, Ignoramus1390
wrote:

Hi I :-)

The bad news is that it is probably about as difficult to get rid of
so much weight for good, as it is to stop smoking. Same addiction
issues.

When I started planning my diet, I remarked to my partner, this feels
like stopping smoking. And this is good. Because I know how to stop
smoking, I can put what i've learnt to use in making other changes,
changing the way I think and relate to food.

Are you a vegetarian for non-health reasons (such as ethical or
religious)? If not, then perhaps you need to give vegetarianism a
second look as it is not living up to its promise of providing a
fountain of health, for you.

I am a vegetarian for ethical reasons, and have been for nearly 20
years. As you say, vegetarianism has not been an automaticallly
healthy choice for me. Butter, cream, cheese, cakes, biscuits, crisps
(chips), chips (fries), chocolate, sweets (candies), etc etc etc, are
all vegetarian.

Pay no attention to his nosey and irrelevant questions. It's not his, nor
anybody else's business whether you are a vegetarian or not. Gee, why do
people ask this of vegetarians?

Look, being a vegetarian means not eating meat, including fish. I was a
veggie for three years a while back. I do eat meat now, but I have greta
respect for vegetarians.

And no, they're not going to start eating meat just because the Resident
Idiot says they should.

Martha

MH wrote:

Pay no attention to his nosey and irrelevant questions. It's not his, nor
anybody else's business whether you are a vegetarian or not. Gee, why do
people ask this of vegetarians?

Because we want to be able to give her diet advice?

Look, being a vegetarian means not eating meat, including fish. I was a
veggie for three years a while back. I do eat meat now, but I have greta
respect for vegetarians.

Being a vegetarian does NOT mean not eating meat, including fish. It
means many things to many people. My best friend is a MacDougall vegan,
that means no added fat, no dairy, no egg for health reasons. I know
other vegans who won't wear leather because they abstain from exploiting
animals in all ways for ethical reasons.

My BIL refused to eat beef and just told people he was a vegetarian to
avoid explaining. I have plenty of friends who don't eat things with
eyes but will eat scallops and clams and eggs.

And then there are the people who won't eat animals but will eat fish.
From a health stand-point this position has a lot of merit and is the
one I will most support if my kids get the vegetarian bug.

And no, they're not going to start eating meat just because the Resident
Idiot says they should.

But she might care to reconsider eating fish after talking with her
doctor and nutritionist.

Dally

On 1/20/2004 2:43 PM, Dally wrote:

I've been wondering if it's appropriate to say this, because I certainly
don't mean you should substitute internet advice over that of your
physician in general, but in the specific instance of successful weight
loss physicians, in general, are totally ignorant.

I think that this is an appropriate topic. I don't know if human
doctors get a lot of nutritional training but I don't think that they
do. I do know that veterinarians get pretty much zippo in the way of
nutritional training (except of possibly seminars sponsored by dog food
companies) and as my dogs have needed to be on different foods, I got
really skeptical of veterinarian's nutirional advice. That skepticism
has carried over to my human doctor. It might be worth asking your
doctor how much nutritional training he/she received? Anyway, that's my
two cents.

--
jmk in NC

"Dally" wrote in message
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MH wrote:

Pay no attention to his nosey and irrelevant questions. It's not his,
nor
anybody else's business whether you are a vegetarian or not. Gee, why do
people ask this of vegetarians?

Because we want to be able to give her diet advice?

Can't you respect her morals?

Look, being a vegetarian means not eating meat, including fish. I was a
veggie for three years a while back. I do eat meat now, but I have greta
respect for vegetarians.

Being a vegetarian does NOT mean not eating meat, including fish. It
means many things to many people. My best friend is a MacDougall vegan,
that means no added fat, no dairy, no egg for health reasons. I know
other vegans who won't wear leather because they abstain from exploiting
animals in all ways for ethical reasons.

No, being a vegan means eating and consuming zero animal products, including
honey, and sometimes yeast. Vegetarians do not eat fish. If they do, they
are not vegetarians.

My BIL refused to eat beef and just told people he was a vegetarian to
avoid explaining. I have plenty of friends who don't eat things with
eyes but will eat scallops and clams and eggs.

And then there are the people who won't eat animals but will eat fish.
From a health stand-point this position has a lot of merit and is the
one I will most support if my kids get the vegetarian bug.

That's fine, but they're not vegetarians, that's all. There are lacto-ovo
vegetarians, they eat dairy and eggs, but still do not consume fish. Fish
are living animals.

And no, they're not going to start eating meat just because the Resident
Idiot says they should.

But she might care to reconsider eating fish after talking with her
doctor and nutritionist.

If she is a vegetarian for ethical reasons, it would be inethical for her to
eat fish, as she has already stated. Do you want Hindus to start eating
beef? She can lose weight and be perfectly healthy sticking to her morals.

from: http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/faq.htm#types

What are the different types of vegetarians?
1) Lacto-Ovo Vegetarian: does not eat meat, fish or fowl. Eats dairy and egg
products.
2) Ovo Vegetarian: does not eat meat, fish, fowl or dairy products. Eats egg
products.
3) Lacto Vegetarian: does not eat meat, fish, fowl or eggs. Eats dairy
products.
4) Vegan: does not eat any animal products including meat, fish, fowl, eggs,
dairy, honey, etc. Most vegans do not use any animal products such as silk,
leather, wool, etc. as well.

Martha

On 20 Jan 2004 21:12:29 GMT, SnugBear wrote:


Enjoy the journey.

thanks Laurie :-)

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245/236/136
"never give up on a goal because of the time it will take to acheive it - the time will pass anyway"

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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:27:57 -0600, "That T Woman"
wrote:



I bookmarked a site on Vegetarian Lowcarb, http://www.immuneweb.org/lowcarb/
you might look at it and see if any of those ideas are workable for you.
Tonia

thanks Tonia, I'll take a look :-)


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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:45:36 +0000, (janice) wrote:


Hope to see you posting here regularly.

thanks Janice :-)


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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:12:51 -0600, "Paul"
wrote:

Hello Clarrie,

Great job on coming to grips with what you have to deal with. Good luck on
your goal of losing 100 pounds. I'm sure you can do it. There seems to be
several people here from the UK. I'm a 39 yo male, 5' 11", and started my
weight loss last August 27, 2003 at 300 pounds. Currently I'm down to 227
to 230 depending on time of day I weigh. The weight is coming off pretty
regularly and I hope to make 175 in another 5 months.

thanks Paul :-)




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"never give up on a goal because of the time it will take to acheive it - the time will pass anyway"

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