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Old August 25th, 2004, 12:36 PM
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Carmen wrote:

I'm sorry you're still dealing with the GERD. I remember how much
pain was involved in that.
I'd second Essence's theoretical approach here. You may be dealing
with a food intolerance.
That approach is way overdone IMO, but every once in a while an
elimination diet does someone a world of good.
In one case it ended up leading to a diagnosis of celiac disease.

Consider eliminating one food group (i.e. dairy) for a couple of weeks
and see what happens.

Thanks, Carmen. I'm dreading giving up dairy but I do think you're right -
I need to do the experiment, just like I need to do the fruit experiment.

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Old August 25th, 2004, 12:36 PM
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Carmen wrote:

I'm sorry you're still dealing with the GERD. I remember how much
pain was involved in that.
I'd second Essence's theoretical approach here. You may be dealing
with a food intolerance.
That approach is way overdone IMO, but every once in a while an
elimination diet does someone a world of good.
In one case it ended up leading to a diagnosis of celiac disease.

Consider eliminating one food group (i.e. dairy) for a couple of weeks
and see what happens.

Thanks, Carmen. I'm dreading giving up dairy but I do think you're right -
I need to do the experiment, just like I need to do the fruit experiment.

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Old August 25th, 2004, 12:53 PM
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carla wrote:
:: marengo wrote:
:::
::: Y ou say that you are one of the unfortunates for whom low-carb did
::: not clear up your gerd. Then you say you were forced to give up
::: grapefruit. Grapefruit is not low carb, and giving it up is part of
::: a low-carb regimen.
:::
:: I'm going to add some more here because I can't sleep and marengo's
:: post has touched off a number of thoughts; I find I have more to say
:: even after providing a fairly lengthy response.
::
:: I began learning about low carb because I was looking for a
:: sustainable eating plan on which I could lose weight without feeling
:: hungry all the time and on which I felt I could eat enough protein
:: to preserve lean muscle mass to the extent possible. (A propos
:: another thread, I freely, if bashfully, admit to being very wimpy
:: when it comes to feeling hunger.) I read the South Beach Diet book
:: and learned about the ways in which refined sugars and starches
:: screw with blood chemistry and make one want to eat more, while
:: protein and fat leaves one satiated for longer. I chose not to go
:: on the South Beach Diet because I needed more structure (at that
:: time) than simply "eat until satiety." I am firm believer in eat
:: less - exercise more, so essentially what I was looking for was an
:: effective way to eat less without distraction. When I examined my
:: eating patterns I noticed that something like 75% of my calorie
:: intake was coming from carbs - bread, pasta, cereal, potatoes, and
:: sweets. That, combined with what I was learning about blood sugar
:: and satiety, made me decide that cutting those foods out of my life
:: was going to be an effective and manageable way to reduce calories
:: in order to meet my weight loss goals.
::
:: I did not get fat on fruit. I got fat on bread, pasta, and sweets.
:: Indeed, before I began experimenting with low carb I was eating very
:: little fresh fruit. Marengo admonishes that "Grapefruit is not low
:: carb" and that "giving it up is part of a low-carb regimen." Well,
:: giving up grapefruit may indeed be part of *a* low-carb regimen but
:: I don't think it is necessarily a part of *every* low-carb regimen.

That ("giving it up is part of a low-carb regimen") is perhaps true in the
weight loss phase, but certainly not so in the maintenance phase depending,
of course, on activity level.

::
:: If it were not for the GERD, I would respond to anyone who told me I
:: was doing it wrong by eating fruit to go take a flying leap. I have
:: absolutely no doubt in my mind that my diet - with some fruit, but
:: without bread, pasta, potatoes, and sweets - is by orders of
:: magnitude healthier than the diet I got fat on, and if someone wants
:: to exclude me from his club because I don't conform to his notion of
:: low-carb, I could really care less. If it turns out that the fruit
:: is a trigger for the GERD - which it might be, even though I had
:: reflux when my diet was crappy and included no fruit - I'll have to
:: reevaluate. But it would be stupid to conclude that I suffered from
:: GERD because I wasn't on a "true" low carb diet.

Have you considered the concepts of Paleo eating? There, you remove all
grains, potatoes and beans, dairy, etc, and eat meat, fish, fowl, veggies,
nuts, and fruit (you can have some eggs, too). Moreso, you do so in the
most minimally processed way possible. I'm suggesting that perhaps the
problems stem from the little grain and/or dairy products you eat -- maybe
your body doesn't like them -- wheat and milk products are the two biggest
offenders.

One interesting thing in Cordain's Paleo book is this business about
protein. He consider's his version of Paleo to be a high protein diet. But
he says that eating a lot of protein will tend to drive you to the acidic
side, and to balance it, you need to eat more (ie, lots of)veggies (I hope I
didn't remember this part ass backwards - I don't have the book with me now
to look it up). Perhaps your problems are somehow related to the balance you
get. Maybe you can look at the amount of protein in your diet relative to
the amount of veggies and tweak a bit.

One other thing to consider is how much you eat and when. Big meals before
bedtime used to be, and likely still are, triggers for me. But I sense you
already know that.

Good luck!


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Old August 25th, 2004, 12:53 PM
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carla wrote:
:: marengo wrote:
:::
::: Y ou say that you are one of the unfortunates for whom low-carb did
::: not clear up your gerd. Then you say you were forced to give up
::: grapefruit. Grapefruit is not low carb, and giving it up is part of
::: a low-carb regimen.
:::
:: I'm going to add some more here because I can't sleep and marengo's
:: post has touched off a number of thoughts; I find I have more to say
:: even after providing a fairly lengthy response.
::
:: I began learning about low carb because I was looking for a
:: sustainable eating plan on which I could lose weight without feeling
:: hungry all the time and on which I felt I could eat enough protein
:: to preserve lean muscle mass to the extent possible. (A propos
:: another thread, I freely, if bashfully, admit to being very wimpy
:: when it comes to feeling hunger.) I read the South Beach Diet book
:: and learned about the ways in which refined sugars and starches
:: screw with blood chemistry and make one want to eat more, while
:: protein and fat leaves one satiated for longer. I chose not to go
:: on the South Beach Diet because I needed more structure (at that
:: time) than simply "eat until satiety." I am firm believer in eat
:: less - exercise more, so essentially what I was looking for was an
:: effective way to eat less without distraction. When I examined my
:: eating patterns I noticed that something like 75% of my calorie
:: intake was coming from carbs - bread, pasta, cereal, potatoes, and
:: sweets. That, combined with what I was learning about blood sugar
:: and satiety, made me decide that cutting those foods out of my life
:: was going to be an effective and manageable way to reduce calories
:: in order to meet my weight loss goals.
::
:: I did not get fat on fruit. I got fat on bread, pasta, and sweets.
:: Indeed, before I began experimenting with low carb I was eating very
:: little fresh fruit. Marengo admonishes that "Grapefruit is not low
:: carb" and that "giving it up is part of a low-carb regimen." Well,
:: giving up grapefruit may indeed be part of *a* low-carb regimen but
:: I don't think it is necessarily a part of *every* low-carb regimen.

That ("giving it up is part of a low-carb regimen") is perhaps true in the
weight loss phase, but certainly not so in the maintenance phase depending,
of course, on activity level.

::
:: If it were not for the GERD, I would respond to anyone who told me I
:: was doing it wrong by eating fruit to go take a flying leap. I have
:: absolutely no doubt in my mind that my diet - with some fruit, but
:: without bread, pasta, potatoes, and sweets - is by orders of
:: magnitude healthier than the diet I got fat on, and if someone wants
:: to exclude me from his club because I don't conform to his notion of
:: low-carb, I could really care less. If it turns out that the fruit
:: is a trigger for the GERD - which it might be, even though I had
:: reflux when my diet was crappy and included no fruit - I'll have to
:: reevaluate. But it would be stupid to conclude that I suffered from
:: GERD because I wasn't on a "true" low carb diet.

Have you considered the concepts of Paleo eating? There, you remove all
grains, potatoes and beans, dairy, etc, and eat meat, fish, fowl, veggies,
nuts, and fruit (you can have some eggs, too). Moreso, you do so in the
most minimally processed way possible. I'm suggesting that perhaps the
problems stem from the little grain and/or dairy products you eat -- maybe
your body doesn't like them -- wheat and milk products are the two biggest
offenders.

One interesting thing in Cordain's Paleo book is this business about
protein. He consider's his version of Paleo to be a high protein diet. But
he says that eating a lot of protein will tend to drive you to the acidic
side, and to balance it, you need to eat more (ie, lots of)veggies (I hope I
didn't remember this part ass backwards - I don't have the book with me now
to look it up). Perhaps your problems are somehow related to the balance you
get. Maybe you can look at the amount of protein in your diet relative to
the amount of veggies and tweak a bit.

One other thing to consider is how much you eat and when. Big meals before
bedtime used to be, and likely still are, triggers for me. But I sense you
already know that.

Good luck!


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Old August 25th, 2004, 03:18 PM
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essense wrote:

Carla,


I thought my acid reflux was caused by spicy foods. It would be worse
on the nights I ate pizza, chili over spaghetti, or mexican. As soon
as I went on low carb it cleared up.


I started getting braver and making pizza without the crust, low carb
chili without the spaghetti, and mexican without the chips.. and
still I had no problem. The one night I had 2 pieces of pizza and my
acid reflux came back with a vengeance.


For me, my acid reflux is caused by grain products. Since being off
them so long, if I eat them now.. my sinuses stop up, my face breaks
out, my acid reflux comes back, along with joint pain.


My suggestion for you is to look for a food intolerance. Remove one
food for 2 weeks then add it back. Since it is getting worse, I would
think it would be a food you started eating more of when you started
low carbing.. and it is probably something you eat every day.


I would second this suggestion. Wheat allergies in particular are far
more widespread than people realize. The symptoms aren't necessarily what
people associate with 'typical' allergies.

I can literally turn my acid reflux and other symptoms on and off by
eating/not eating wheat. No other carbiferous food has this effect.

Now, I react somewhat to even a small amount of wheat and find I have to
read labels very carefully on low-carb pseudo-bakery products.

Dan
325/211/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

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Old August 25th, 2004, 03:18 PM
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essense wrote:

Carla,


I thought my acid reflux was caused by spicy foods. It would be worse
on the nights I ate pizza, chili over spaghetti, or mexican. As soon
as I went on low carb it cleared up.


I started getting braver and making pizza without the crust, low carb
chili without the spaghetti, and mexican without the chips.. and
still I had no problem. The one night I had 2 pieces of pizza and my
acid reflux came back with a vengeance.


For me, my acid reflux is caused by grain products. Since being off
them so long, if I eat them now.. my sinuses stop up, my face breaks
out, my acid reflux comes back, along with joint pain.


My suggestion for you is to look for a food intolerance. Remove one
food for 2 weeks then add it back. Since it is getting worse, I would
think it would be a food you started eating more of when you started
low carbing.. and it is probably something you eat every day.


I would second this suggestion. Wheat allergies in particular are far
more widespread than people realize. The symptoms aren't necessarily what
people associate with 'typical' allergies.

I can literally turn my acid reflux and other symptoms on and off by
eating/not eating wheat. No other carbiferous food has this effect.

Now, I react somewhat to even a small amount of wheat and find I have to
read labels very carefully on low-carb pseudo-bakery products.

Dan
325/211/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

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Old August 25th, 2004, 04:25 PM
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I have noted here before that I am not one of the fortunate folk for whom
low-carb cleared up every conceivable ailment. Indeed, my heartburn has
been getting progressively worse, so I finally saw the doctor today. She
put me on Prilosec and recommended some lifestyle changes - I have to figure
out how to have dinner earlier in the day, cut back on caffeine a bit, and
avoid some of the more acidic foods that are heartburn triggers. (I'm a
little bummed about giving up the grapefruit I had so come to enjoy a few
times a week.)



low carb helps but it does not eliminate it in me. though I did find grapefruit
to not be a problem. oranges were but not grapefruit. caffeine and diet pop do
but so does water.


I think stress is the biggest factor of it. I cured all my stomach problems for
awhile by getting fired from a job I could not stand (G)

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Old August 25th, 2004, 04:25 PM
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I have noted here before that I am not one of the fortunate folk for whom
low-carb cleared up every conceivable ailment. Indeed, my heartburn has
been getting progressively worse, so I finally saw the doctor today. She
put me on Prilosec and recommended some lifestyle changes - I have to figure
out how to have dinner earlier in the day, cut back on caffeine a bit, and
avoid some of the more acidic foods that are heartburn triggers. (I'm a
little bummed about giving up the grapefruit I had so come to enjoy a few
times a week.)



low carb helps but it does not eliminate it in me. though I did find grapefruit
to not be a problem. oranges were but not grapefruit. caffeine and diet pop do
but so does water.


I think stress is the biggest factor of it. I cured all my stomach problems for
awhile by getting fired from a job I could not stand (G)

--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.
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Old August 25th, 2004, 08:14 PM
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Hi Carla,
I've had GERD for years and lc didn't make it go away entirely. If I don't
take my meds, Aciphex, right now because Prevacid stopped working after
about 3 years. Prilosec didn't last longer than a few months.
If I don't take meds the first sign, for me is hiccups.
I had full blown GERD even when I was on a medicine which made eating
tasteless and which took away my appetite.
There was very little food to trigger reactions so it had to be caused by
something else. Stomach acid by itself, not a reaction of the stomach to a
particular food.
Take your meds and get it under control.
jo
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"carla" wrote in message
...

I have noted here before that I am not one of the fortunate folk for whom
low-carb cleared up every conceivable ailment. Indeed, my heartburn has
been getting progressively worse, so I finally saw the doctor today. She
put me on Prilosec and recommended some lifestyle changes - I have to

figure
out how to have dinner earlier in the day, cut back on caffeine a bit, and
avoid some of the more acidic foods that are heartburn triggers. (I'm a
little bummed about giving up the grapefruit I had so come to enjoy a few
times a week.)

I'm not thrilled about dealing with a chronic illness - even a minor one
like this. I've never been one to get sick much; it took quite a bit of
discomfort with the heartburn to get me to the doctor at all. It had

begun
to interfere with my work. However, I am for the moment fairly relieved
that my doctor thinks this is garden-variety GERD, rather than an ulcer.

I'd like to take her recommendations to heart - I am not thrilled about
taking drugs indefinitely, so I'd like to try to treat it with diet and
lifestyle changes to the extent practicable. I'd like to tap into the

store
of experience here in asdlc - do you suffer from reflux, that didn't clear
up when you switched to low carb? What are you doing to manage it?

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Old August 25th, 2004, 11:58 PM
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"carla" wrote in message
...

I have noted here before that I am not one of the fortunate folk for whom
low-carb cleared up every conceivable ailment. Indeed, my heartburn has
been getting progressively worse, so I finally saw the doctor today. She
put me on Prilosec and recommended some lifestyle changes - I have to

figure
out how to have dinner earlier in the day, cut back on caffeine a bit, and
avoid some of the more acidic foods that are heartburn triggers. (I'm a
little bummed about giving up the grapefruit I had so come to enjoy a few
times a week.)

I'm not thrilled about dealing with a chronic illness - even a minor one
like this. I've never been one to get sick much; it took quite a bit of
discomfort with the heartburn to get me to the doctor at all. It had

begun
to interfere with my work. However, I am for the moment fairly relieved
that my doctor thinks this is garden-variety GERD, rather than an ulcer.

I'd like to take her recommendations to heart - I am not thrilled about
taking drugs indefinitely, so I'd like to try to treat it with diet and
lifestyle changes to the extent practicable. I'd like to tap into the

store
of experience here in asdlc - do you suffer from reflux, that didn't clear
up when you switched to low carb? What are you doing to manage it?


Actually, going low-carb cured my twice-a-day antacid habit!!! I take now
one or two a month now
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are stupider than that!" - George Carlin



 




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