OK, I have started

"Mike Turco" wrote
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I agree that measuring food volume is not very scientific. However, I can
assure you that I eat *way* the hell too much food whether you measure it
by
the calorie, the pound, the plate or the shovel. The "new me", if there is
to be a new, smaller me, must get used to the fact that he can't eat
*so*much* food.

Today, when I cut into that pot roast, the first slab I dropped on the
****ty little one pound scale maxed the damn thing out. Jesus -- more than
a
pound of meat! And something like that, for me, is just getting started!


I used to eat way too much food also, Mike. When I first started my new
WOE/WOL, I kept having the same foods I was used to, but only HALF as much.
I only used a salad plate for supper - and still do now 8 months into
maintenance, and smaller bowls for other types of food. Gradually I started
eating less and less starchy food and more and more fruits and veggies. I
counted calories and logged everything (still do)

Oh - and I worked up to walking 8 miles a day. Walk as much as you can. It
works. Good luck to you.

--
Walking on . . .
Laurie in Maine
207/110 60 inches of attitude!
Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03

On 10/28/2003 5:29 PM, Mike Turco wrote:

I bought a scale. Unfortunately, a ****ty little $4 scale was all I could
find, but it is a scale none-the-less. If I know one thing for sure, I know
that I have to not eat so much food. I really do eat a lot. So, I'm going to
start with the two pound diet. If it works for me, that's great. If it
doesn't, at least I will be eating a lot less food.

So far today I have eaten a pound of food. Wow. A pound of food really isn't
all that much!

I don't know much about the two pound diet. Is that similar to
volumetrics? I ran across something the other day and I just went and
hunted it down again. It's an article about various diet books. Yes,
it is somewhat skewed -- CSPI has some info that I find very helpful but
they are certainl anti-Atkins so take it with a grain of salt --
http://www.cspinet.org/nah/5_00/diet.htm

I was interested to see that Volumetrics is on their good list. I'm not
sure why I was surprised to see it there but I was. Anyway, I thought
maybe this would be a good resource if it is similar to the two pound
thing.

--
jmk in NC

"jmk" wrote in message
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On 10/28/2003 5:29 PM, Mike Turco wrote:

I bought a scale. Unfortunately, a ****ty little $4 scale was all I
could
find, but it is a scale none-the-less. If I know one thing for sure, I
know
that I have to not eat so much food. I really do eat a lot. So, I'm
going to
start with the two pound diet. If it works for me, that's great. If it
doesn't, at least I will be eating a lot less food.

So far today I have eaten a pound of food. Wow. A pound of food really
isn't
all that much!

I don't know much about the two pound diet. Is that similar to
volumetrics? I ran across something the other day and I just went and
hunted it down again. It's an article about various diet books. Yes,
it is somewhat skewed -- CSPI has some info that I find very helpful but
they are certainl anti-Atkins so take it with a grain of salt --
http://www.cspinet.org/nah/5_00/diet.htm

I was interested to see that Volumetrics is on their good list. I'm not
sure why I was surprised to see it there but I was. Anyway, I thought
maybe this would be a good resource if it is similar to the two pound
thing.

--
jmk in NC

I have the Volumetrics book and it contains some good information. It was
especially helpful to my teenage granddaughter as it showed her the larger
amount of healthy food she could be eating instead of those d*mn chicken
fingers and french friesg

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:29:31 -0800, "Mike Turco"
wrote:

I weighed in this morning at 285. Not as bad as I thought! I may be down a
little today due to water or whatever.

I walked 150 miles after breakfast. I am going to have to measure that
distance with my car or something because I may be just a little off. I did
stop at Taco Bell about 1/2-way through that walk, but I only had a diet
soda :~)

That's one heck of a walk!

I bought a scale. Unfortunately, a ****ty little $4 scale was all I could
find, but it is a scale none-the-less.

Mine was $6.95. Chung has some that cost only $1.

If I know one thing for sure, I know
that I have to not eat so much food. I really do eat a lot. So, I'm going to
start with the two pound diet. If it works for me, that's great. If it
doesn't, at least I will be eating a lot less food.

Win-win but be sure to follow the simple rules.

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

So far today I have eaten a pound of food. Wow. A pound of food really isn't
all that much!

One day it will look like a heck of a lot more.

I have set three short term goals for myself:

1) Significantly decrease my food intake. I eat a LOT of food. Specifically:
figure out how much I eat by weighing my food, and then reduce the portions
and frequency of my eating until I am down to two pounds of food a day.

Slow but sure.

2) Lose 15 pounds by the end of the year. That is about 2lb/week and I think
its a reasonable goal.

Reasonable, think in terms of losing per week or per month.

3) Be a person who walks every day. More specifically, I am thinking that
five miles/day is a reasonable goal but I'll have to wait and see how that
goes.

At 285, 5 miles even on flat ground is a hump.

Fwiw, I started at over 200 lbs, lost 50 of fat (est), added 15 of
muscle (est) and my walking regimen was 30 minutes at zero incline
(treadmill) approximately 2 miles. As my weight declined, I moved to a
walk, jog, sprint, repeat for 45 minutes which is where I am today. 3
Miles give or take at a 5.5 degree incline.

I was eating about 5-6 pounds per day and thought, honest to God, that
was what I needed to sustain a very active lifestyle (umpiring,
strength trainer, business, etc). Cut a half pound off per week and
immediately saw weight loss at approximately 2 pounds per week. I hit
maintenance in, oh say around four months or so and have remained
there for a year and a half. My appetite decreased, I proved to myself
that a very active individual can sustain themselves quite nicely on
approximately two pounds of food per week.

Also, using an Ounce Of Common Sense, and for health reasons, I
reduced sat and trans fats significantly (further reducing a once
calorie dense diet even more), upped my water intake and rearranged my
lifting schedule to address more hypertrophy for a time. Now back to a
variety of movement based exercises including explosive lifting.

Wish me luck!

Mike

You got it.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap030724.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:55:54 -0800, "determined"
wrote:

I don't believe in measuring volume of food - calories are what make you
gain - you should count those. A lb of celery is NOT the same as a lb of
butter...

Duh.

incorporate some resistance training if you can

Give the guy a break. He's just starting, Itsy Bitsy. All things in
time. Carrying around 285 is a form of resistance training if you
didn't, and I am sure you didn't, know.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap030724.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:33 -0800, "Mike Turco"
wrote:

I agree that measuring food volume is not very scientific. However, I can
assure you that I eat *way* the hell too much food whether you measure it by
the calorie, the pound, the plate or the shovel. The "new me", if there is
to be a new, smaller me, must get used to the fact that he can't eat
*so*much* food.

There are a zillion carb counting and calorie counting diets. They
require journaling, and counting and constant monitoring...it becomes
an all consuming ritual which, after a while as you will soon see
right here on ASD, it will come to an end. No one keeps up with all
that for a lifetime and that's what we are talking about...a lifetime.

Yours.

Today, when I cut into that pot roast, the first slab I dropped on the
****ty little one pound scale maxed the damn thing out. Jesus -- more than a
pound of meat! And something like that, for me, is just getting started!

Note the education that you are getting.

Anyway, I will take or leave the 2PD based on whether or not I lose weight.

Yep.

However, I am going to keep that scale around for a while because, really, I
need to stop eating so much damn food, and without a scale and a log I will
probably kid myself into thinking that I am eating less when I am not.

Soon you can drop the log when you are ready. I logged for six weeks
for documentation purposes. Then I quit. I can eyeball a portion size
now and I flat don't want that much food anymore.

When I do over eat, I know it and it don't feel good.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap030724.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:26:55 -0500, jmk
wrote:

I don't know much about the two pound diet. Is that similar to
volumetrics?

You tell me.

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp




http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap030724.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

determined wrote:
I don't believe in measuring volume of food - calories are what make you
gain - you should count those. A lb of celery is NOT the same as a lb of
butter...

Have you ever tried to eat one pound of pure fat? No sugar coating,
no seasoning, like, just take a tablespoon (120 calories worth) of
olive oil (or any oil you really like the taste of) and see how
much you can eat before getting severely uncomfortable?

"Crafting Mom" wrote in message
...
determined wrote:
I don't believe in measuring volume of food - calories are what make you
gain - you should count those. A lb of celery is NOT the same as a lb of
butter...

Have you ever tried to eat one pound of pure fat? No sugar coating,
no seasoning, like, just take a tablespoon (120 calories worth) of
olive oil (or any oil you really like the taste of) and see how
much you can eat before getting severely uncomfortable?

Well, there was this time, at band camp...

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:47:51 -0800, "determined"
wrote:


"Crafting Mom" wrote in message
...
determined wrote:
I don't believe in measuring volume of food - calories are what make you
gain - you should count those. A lb of celery is NOT the same as a lb of
butter...

Have you ever tried to eat one pound of pure fat? No sugar coating,
no seasoning, like, just take a tablespoon (120 calories worth) of
olive oil (or any oil you really like the taste of) and see how
much you can eat before getting severely uncomfortable?

Well, there was this time, at band camp...


.... And I had the runs for a week