Slim-Fast supporters???

I do the same thing with Lite yogurt (120 calories). Sometimes I'll
wake up at night hungry - I find having a lite yogurt is usually
enough to tame the hungries - and is so much better than binging! I
have to watch myself now because I have the "forbidden" peanut butter
in the fridge - I've been known to eat the whole jar in a day - but
that was months ago. I now often mix peanut butter with yogurt
instead of eating peanuts seperately from yogurt.

"determined" wrote in message ...
"Brad Sheppard" wrote in message
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Jumbo,

Apparently meal replacements can work, but then you have to make them
a permament part of your diet.

I think I know what your reasoning is behind saying this, but I'd like to
say that they don't HAVE to be a permanent part of your diet. For
instance - I carry Myoplex shakes in my car, have them at work and in the
fridge at home. They are 150 calories and 25g of protein - low carb and
contain fiber. I don't use them often, but I use them if I'm short on
protein, or time, or find myself "starving" and it's either that or some
other crap or fast food. They are a great backup...

det

"Brad Sheppard" wrote in message
om...
I do the same thing with Lite yogurt (120 calories). Sometimes I'll
wake up at night hungry - I find having a lite yogurt is usually
enough to tame the hungries - and is so much better than binging! I
have to watch myself now because I have the "forbidden" peanut butter
in the fridge - I've been known to eat the whole jar in a day - but
that was months ago. I now often mix peanut butter with yogurt
instead of eating peanuts seperately from yogurt.

I have a peanut butter weakness myself (jay jay can attest to that!).
Lately, I've been mixing vanilla flavored protein powder with nonfat milk,
ice and a tablespoon (or two) of peanut butter. Almost as good as a real
peanut butter milkshake!

det

"determined" wrote in message
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"Brad Sheppard" wrote in message
om...
I do the same thing with Lite yogurt (120 calories). Sometimes I'll
wake up at night hungry - I find having a lite yogurt is usually
enough to tame the hungries - and is so much better than binging! I
have to watch myself now because I have the "forbidden" peanut butter
in the fridge - I've been known to eat the whole jar in a day - but
that was months ago. I now often mix peanut butter with yogurt
instead of eating peanuts seperately from yogurt.

I have a peanut butter weakness myself (jay jay can attest to that!).
Lately, I've been mixing vanilla flavored protein powder with nonfat milk,
ice and a tablespoon (or two) of peanut butter. Almost as good as a real
peanut butter milkshake!

det

I've been using peanut butter flavored extract in my HMR shakes. Must be
something in the air.

Jenn

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:22:11 -0500, "Jennifer Austin"
wrote:

I've been using peanut butter flavored extract in my HMR shakes. Must be
something in the air.

I've not encountered peanut butter flavored extract -- sounds good.
Who makes this and where do you get it?

Chris

"Chris Braun" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:22:11 -0500, "Jennifer Austin"
wrote:

I've been using peanut butter flavored extract in my HMR shakes. Must be
something in the air.

I've not encountered peanut butter flavored extract -- sounds good.
Who makes this and where do you get it?

Chris

Watkins Company makes it and a number of interesting flavored extracts like
caramel, chocolate, and butter pecan. I find their products to have much
better flavor than stuff I get at the grocery store. If you don't know
anyone who sells Watkins, you can get them at www.watkinsonline.com. They
also make dip mixes, spice blends, and tons of other things.

Jenn

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:43:06 GMT, "Jumbo"
wrote:
I was thinking that the Slim-Fast program was a convenient way for me to go
so I bought their shake mix and meal replacement bars. I started yesterday
and now I read in this newsgroup that it's not the way to go. Can you tell
me why?

Meal replacements, including shakes, can be a very valuable tool in
weight-loss and weight-loss maintenance. However, many folks feel
that Slim-Fast, while very well-marketed, is among the lowest quality
shake mixes available. So while you're barking up the right tree, you
are perhaps heading down the wrong branch.

I have dropped a pound from yesterday morning to this morning.
However, my body fat percentage went up by 1%.

Don't pay any attention to anything less than four week rolling
averages, for either weight or body fat percentage. Day-to-day
numbers are less-than-meaningless.


--
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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

On 25 Sep 2003 17:09:51 GMT, Ignoramus1857
wrote:
There are several reasons why I personally think that slim-fast is
crap.
1. It is not very nutritious, it is milk with cocoa and a lot of
sugar.

I agree. There are much better meal replacements shakes out there. I
can't even think of one that stacks up worse than Slim-Fast.

2. Because of this sugar, it is likely to make you hungry as your
insulin rises and blood sugar drops, in a few hours.

Most likely true.

3. You are not really learning how to eat right and how to choose your
foods and how to manage how much you eat.

Without applying the meal replacements as part of a broader,
structured program of weight management, that is indeed the case.
Meal replacements are a tool, not a solution.

4. You have this focus on a "diet", meaning that you consider changing
what you eat during some brief period when you lose weight, and hope
that it will fix your life. But it won't fix your life.

That's true of just about any approach where you focus on
less-than-everything. Viable solutions are all the same: They
requirement you to focus on all the critical aspects of the issue.

If you manage
to lose a lot of weight on slimfast without substantial exercise, you
will lose muscles and not fat.

Especially if you're not doing much resistance training, and doing a
good amount of cardio.

Then you will regain, having much less muscle and more fat.

Not necessarily, but rather only "most likely". I lost about 75
pounds on Weight Watchers thirteen years ago, on a eating regimen that
also left my LBM decimated. I was actually able to maintain that
weight-loss for years, but it took a lot of discipline, and constant
regard for what I was eating.

Again. Exercise is at least equal, if not more important, than
changing what and how much you eat.

Though there are folks who successfully lose weight, and keep it off,
without much focus on exercise. Not many, but some.

5. It appears that people on commercial diets have harder time losing
weight than people who simply choose to eat good foods, eat less, and
exercise a lot.

That has been proven to be false. Indeed, a study published in the
Journal of the American Medical Association proved the exact opposite:
that folks using commercial weight-loss programs lose more weight and
have better weight-loss maintenance performance than folks using their
own approaches. There are opinions on both sides of the issue. An
assertion that "people on commercial diets have harder time losing
weight than people who simply choose to eat good foods, eat less, and
exercise a lot" is unsupportable.


--
¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

On 25 Sep 2003 16:13:14 -0700, (Brad
Sheppard) wrote:
Apparently meal replacements can work, but then you have to make them
a permament part of your diet. ... Do you really
want to drink at least one meal a day for the rest of your life?

Do you really want to have to eat OATMEAL at least one meal a day for
the rest of your life? Yuck.

Of course, I'm using hyperbole to prove a point. There are far worse
things than having a creamy, rich Cafe Mocha for breakfast every day.
As a matter of fact, I can't imagine anything better.

If you go back to eating whatever you want, as much as you want,
you'll likely regain any weight you lose. Strategic use of meal
replacements to crowd out higher-calorie foods is a proven-successful
approach for weight-loss maintenance.


--
¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:18:41 -0700, "determined"
wrote:
"Brad Sheppard" wrote in message
om...
Apparently meal replacements can work, but then you have to make them
a permament part of your diet.
I think I know what your reasoning is behind saying this, but I'd like to
say that they don't HAVE to be a permanent part of your diet. For
instance - I carry Myoplex shakes in my car, have them at work and in the
fridge at home. They are 150 calories and 25g of protein - low carb and
contain fiber. I don't use them often, but I use them if I'm short on
protein, or time, or find myself "starving" and it's either that or some
other crap or fast food. They are a great backup...

Good point! While I typically do have one each morning, I typically
only have another when the alternative would be "worse", such as
having to deal with fast-food or some other high-calorie convenience
food. With the number of people noting a distinct lack of time to
prepare meals increasing markedly, having convenient alternatives to
the 7-11 burrito dinner is going to become more and more important as
time goes on.


--
¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

Jennifer Austin wrote:
: Watkins Company makes it and a number of interesting flavored extracts like
: caramel, chocolate, and butter pecan. I find their products to have much
: better flavor than stuff I get at the grocery store. If you don't know
: anyone who sells Watkins, you can get them at www.watkinsonline.com. They
: also make dip mixes, spice blends, and tons of other things.

Looks like some great products. Question: (statement first!) I've
made my morning protein drink with extracts, and most, even with the
addition of, say, splenda, have a bitter taste to them, sometimes
subtle, sometimes KAPOW. These are premium extracts, not grocery
store schlock :-) What's your assessment of Watkins' products
with regard to this use?

thanks,
Tammy