Sublingual B-12 drops?

Perple Glow wrote:
I did have bloodwork and it did show a slight deficiancy. My doctor told me
to try it and we'll check levels again at my next blood work.

Something sounds a little off here. Earlier you said you were on a mostly
steak diet when lowcarbing for quite some time (years?). And then you
went off it for, what was it, 3 years? People on ordinary (not mostly
steak) American diets take about 5 or 6 years to develop B12 deficiencies
when going totally vegan. But you have a "slight" deficiency now?

RDA is 2 micrograms and the deficiency (pernicious anemia) is usually
diagnosed by too few red blood cells in the bone marrow.

B12 is usually administered medically by periodic injections. Is this
an MD, or some naturoquack?

I hate to suggest this, but frankly the tone of some of your posts almost
sounds like you're making things up after being criticized in order to
justify blowing off the advice given you.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

I looked at those supplements because we have a great many patients who have
injections of B12 ordered. If they do not have a specific diagnosis,
Medicare will not cover them but the patients (and their docs) insist that
they need them.

What I found was surprising. Many of the sublingual B12 preparations had
other stimulants in them like caffeine or ephedrine. I guess people who
take them do get a blast of energy but not necessarily from the vitamin!

j
"Perple Glow" wrote in message
. net...
B-12 isn't readily absorbable via pill format AND I am not eating enough
food. It won't hurt me and it is better to be safe then sorry.

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Email me at:
perpleglow(AT)comcast.net


"Ignoramus21054" wrote in message
...
In article , Perple
Glow
wrote:
Hi I,

That is what I am doing now and I have much more energy then I used
to.
It
can't hurt to take the B-12, as I am probably deficient in it... The
drops
I bought have B6 and Folic acid it in as well.

What makes you think that you are deficient in b12?

Anyway, I guess these supplement won't hurt you... But very unlikely
to do any good.

i

When I as fat, I tried taking all kinds of supplements (vitamins) to
"boost" my energy.

The effect was ZIP. No effect whatsoever.

Then I decided to lose weight. Became sugarfree, started walking and
eating less.

Whoa, in 2 weeks, my energy level went up through the roof! I still
have to deal with excess energy, just wanting to constantly do stuff,
move a lot etc -- not always easy with a sedentary job.

i

In article i7ffb.485671$Oz4.329463@rwcrnsc54, Perple Glow wrote:
Hi Patricia,

It was not sold as an energy booster. I do know that taking it has
a
side
effect of increased energy. However, that is not the only reason I
want
to
take it. I also read that may people are deficient in B-12. In
addition,
it can help improve immune system and stress.

B12 is needed to prevent pernicious anemia. If it's being
sold as an energy booster it's a fraud. It's not a stimulant
like caffeine. If you eat animal products you get B12.

Perple Glow wrote:

Has anyone tried this to help with energy? If so, any brands
that
you
prefer? Recommendations? Thanks!!

"jamie" wrote in message
...
Perple Glow wrote:
I did have bloodwork and it did show a slight deficiancy. My doctor
told me
to try it and we'll check levels again at my next blood work.

Something sounds a little off here. Earlier you said you were on a mostly
steak diet when lowcarbing for quite some time (years?). And then you
went off it for, what was it, 3 years? People on ordinary (not mostly
steak) American diets take about 5 or 6 years to develop B12 deficiencies
when going totally vegan. But you have a "slight" deficiency now?

RDA is 2 micrograms and the deficiency (pernicious anemia) is usually
diagnosed by too few red blood cells in the bone marrow.

B12 is usually administered medically by periodic injections. Is this
an MD, or some naturoquack?

I hate to suggest this, but frankly the tone of some of your posts almost
sounds like you're making things up after being criticized in order to
justify blowing off the advice given you.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

Jamie,

In order to absorb Vitamin B-12 intrinsic factor must be present in the gut.
For years, this wasn't an issue except for people who drank excessively and
those with specific types of anemia such a pernicious anemia and some other
very rare condition or those who had part of their gut surgically removed.
More recently, it has been observed that B12 is not well absorbed in the
stomach after the pH has been raised. This can occur with many OTC
indigestion remedies such as Zantac, Tagamet, etc. If a person has been
relying on these consistently, it is entirely possible that in spite of
eating well, they are not absorbing Vitamin B-12.

j

Hi Julianne,

The one I finally bough at a health food store has b-12, b-6, folic acid and
stevia to make it taste better. It doesn't mention caffeine or ephedra.
However, thanks for warning me just in case!

--
Email me at:
perpleglow(AT)comcast.net


"Julianne" wrote in message
news:cwXfb.13611$k74.4238@lakeread05...
I looked at those supplements because we have a great many patients who
have
injections of B12 ordered. If they do not have a specific diagnosis,
Medicare will not cover them but the patients (and their docs) insist that
they need them.

What I found was surprising. Many of the sublingual B12 preparations had
other stimulants in them like caffeine or ephedrine. I guess people who
take them do get a blast of energy but not necessarily from the vitamin!

j
"Perple Glow" wrote in message
. net...
B-12 isn't readily absorbable via pill format AND I am not eating enough
food. It won't hurt me and it is better to be safe then sorry.

--
Email me at:
perpleglow(AT)comcast.net


"Ignoramus21054" wrote in message
...
In article , Perple
Glow
wrote:
Hi I,

That is what I am doing now and I have much more energy then I used
to.
It
can't hurt to take the B-12, as I am probably deficient in it...
The
drops
I bought have B6 and Folic acid it in as well.

What makes you think that you are deficient in b12?

Anyway, I guess these supplement won't hurt you... But very unlikely
to do any good.

i

When I as fat, I tried taking all kinds of supplements (vitamins)
to
"boost" my energy.

The effect was ZIP. No effect whatsoever.

Then I decided to lose weight. Became sugarfree, started walking
and
eating less.

Whoa, in 2 weeks, my energy level went up through the roof! I still
have to deal with excess energy, just wanting to constantly do
stuff,
move a lot etc -- not always easy with a sedentary job.

i

In article i7ffb.485671$Oz4.329463@rwcrnsc54, Perple Glow wrote:
Hi Patricia,

It was not sold as an energy booster. I do know that taking it
has
a
side
effect of increased energy. However, that is not the only reason
I
want
to
take it. I also read that may people are deficient in B-12. In
addition,
it can help improve immune system and stress.

B12 is needed to prevent pernicious anemia. If it's being
sold as an energy booster it's a fraud. It's not a stimulant
like caffeine. If you eat animal products you get B12.

Perple Glow wrote:

Has anyone tried this to help with energy? If so, any brands
that
you
prefer? Recommendations? Thanks!!

Thanks for the email, it was very interesting.

--
Email me at:
perpleglow(AT)comcast.net


"Julianne" wrote in message
news:azXfb.13612$k74.6314@lakeread05...

"jamie" wrote in message
...
Perple Glow wrote:
I did have bloodwork and it did show a slight deficiancy. My doctor
told me
to try it and we'll check levels again at my next blood work.

Something sounds a little off here. Earlier you said you were on a
mostly
steak diet when lowcarbing for quite some time (years?). And then you
went off it for, what was it, 3 years? People on ordinary (not mostly
steak) American diets take about 5 or 6 years to develop B12
deficiencies
when going totally vegan. But you have a "slight" deficiency now?

RDA is 2 micrograms and the deficiency (pernicious anemia) is usually
diagnosed by too few red blood cells in the bone marrow.

B12 is usually administered medically by periodic injections. Is this
an MD, or some naturoquack?

I hate to suggest this, but frankly the tone of some of your posts
almost
sounds like you're making things up after being criticized in order to
justify blowing off the advice given you.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

Jamie,

In order to absorb Vitamin B-12 intrinsic factor must be present in the
gut.
For years, this wasn't an issue except for people who drank excessively
and
those with specific types of anemia such a pernicious anemia and some
other
very rare condition or those who had part of their gut surgically removed.
More recently, it has been observed that B12 is not well absorbed in the
stomach after the pH has been raised. This can occur with many OTC
indigestion remedies such as Zantac, Tagamet, etc. If a person has been
relying on these consistently, it is entirely possible that in spite of
eating well, they are not absorbing Vitamin B-12.

j

Julianne wrote:
In order to absorb Vitamin B-12 intrinsic factor must be present in the gut.
For years, this wasn't an issue except for people who drank excessively and
those with specific types of anemia such a pernicious anemia and some other
very rare condition or those who had part of their gut surgically removed.
More recently, it has been observed that B12 is not well absorbed in the
stomach after the pH has been raised. This can occur with many OTC
indigestion remedies such as Zantac, Tagamet, etc. If a person has been
relying on these consistently, it is entirely possible that in spite of
eating well, they are not absorbing Vitamin B-12.

I'm aware of intrinsic factor issues, but I hadn't heard that about
stomach medication. Thanks for the info. Pernicious anemia is the result
of B12 deficiency usually due to lack of instrinsic factor, and as far
as I read, is diagnosed by bone marrow tests, not routine bloodwork.
It's treated with B12 injections, AFAIK.

However, the original post:
Has anyone tried this to help with energy? If so, any brands that you
prefer? Recommendations? Thanks!!

So the initial question was not about B12 deficiency and pernicious anemia,
but looking for recommendations for energy, and became a "deficiency"
upon backpedalling. If she's looking for brands, they certainly weren't
prescribed for deficiency or problem with intrinsic factor.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

"jamie" wrote in message
...
Julianne wrote:
In order to absorb Vitamin B-12 intrinsic factor must be present in the
gut.
For years, this wasn't an issue except for people who drank excessively
and
those with specific types of anemia such a pernicious anemia and some
other
very rare condition or those who had part of their gut surgically
removed.
More recently, it has been observed that B12 is not well absorbed in the
stomach after the pH has been raised. This can occur with many OTC
indigestion remedies such as Zantac, Tagamet, etc. If a person has been
relying on these consistently, it is entirely possible that in spite of
eating well, they are not absorbing Vitamin B-12.

I'm aware of intrinsic factor issues, but I hadn't heard that about
stomach medication. Thanks for the info. Pernicious anemia is the result
of B12 deficiency usually due to lack of instrinsic factor, and as far
as I read, is diagnosed by bone marrow tests, not routine bloodwork.
It's treated with B12 injections, AFAIK.

This is the way it is commonly understood. However, PA is actually only one
reason why intrinsic factor is not present in the gut. Other factors that
inhibit IF are not in the true sense of the definition, Pernicious anemia
although it makes little difference as the treatment is the same.

However, the original post:
Has anyone tried this to help with energy? If so, any brands that you
prefer? Recommendations? Thanks!!

So the initial question was not about B12 deficiency and pernicious
anemia,
but looking for recommendations for energy, and became a "deficiency"
upon backpedalling. If she's looking for brands, they certainly weren't
prescribed for deficiency or problem with intrinsic factor.

I was just trying to be helpful.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

Gee whiz, next time I'll be more technical and specific. I didn't think you
guys needed every single bit of information... Did I forget to mention that
I wear a size 11 shoe and I am an aquarius?

I did write that.... Next time I'll be sure to put everything applicable to
a simple post for the anal posters in the group....

--
Email me at:
perpleglow(AT)comcast.net


"jamie" wrote in message
...
Julianne wrote:
In order to absorb Vitamin B-12 intrinsic factor must be present in the
gut.
For years, this wasn't an issue except for people who drank excessively
and
those with specific types of anemia such a pernicious anemia and some
other
very rare condition or those who had part of their gut surgically
removed.
More recently, it has been observed that B12 is not well absorbed in the
stomach after the pH has been raised. This can occur with many OTC
indigestion remedies such as Zantac, Tagamet, etc. If a person has been
relying on these consistently, it is entirely possible that in spite of
eating well, they are not absorbing Vitamin B-12.

I'm aware of intrinsic factor issues, but I hadn't heard that about
stomach medication. Thanks for the info. Pernicious anemia is the result
of B12 deficiency usually due to lack of instrinsic factor, and as far
as I read, is diagnosed by bone marrow tests, not routine bloodwork.
It's treated with B12 injections, AFAIK.

However, the original post:
Has anyone tried this to help with energy? If so, any brands that you
prefer? Recommendations? Thanks!!

So the initial question was not about B12 deficiency and pernicious
anemia,
but looking for recommendations for energy, and became a "deficiency"
upon backpedalling. If she's looking for brands, they certainly weren't
prescribed for deficiency or problem with intrinsic factor.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."