the question I have

Tom wrote:

Your right, and I can't figure out exactly why I am bothered by it. I
was hoping that over the past year that all the media attention would have
been a little more educational to the average person that has never read any
material about how and why it works. Instead it seems now like a passing
fad. There were quite a few guys at work over the past 2 years(1 over 3
years) that have been on it. Myself and the 3 yr guy are the only ones left
that have maitained our weight. If one of us 2 fails, it would be awfully
close to the 95% failure rate of most other diets.

That's not very good news. I guess LC is not a panacea either.

doug

bob wrote:

how do they work that? I started the registration process, so i expect i
will be getting something in the mail. How is it rigged?


Here's a repost of one of my explainations (Google my name for
more info):

I've participated in the registry for the last few years, like
many other ASDLC members (I've lost over 115lbs and have
keep it off for over 4 years). I joined in hopes that my
participation would show how low-carb plans worked, but I have my
doubts if that's really been the effect.

Honestly, I've found the registry to be a frustrating experience
because they appear to have a set agenda. Their survey topic
selection and wording seems very slanted toward dieters following
a low-fat eating plan. There might be a way to extricate
information on low-carb plans, but that would be IF you
wanted to look into low-carb eating. In short, if they had wider
food choices (like including olive oil as a fat section) and at
least asked in some fashion whether you attempted to limit your
carb intake, then the survey might give some information on how
low-carbers lose bodyfat and keep it off. Instead on most food
choices your asked if you made low-fat choices.

Examples:

Did you eat cheese? YES NO
If YES, When you ate cheese:
- How often was it specially made, low fat(diet) cheese?

Did you eat frozen desserts? YES NO
If YES, When you ate frozen desserts:
- How often were they ice milk, nonfat ice cream (such as Simple
Pleasures), frozen yogurt or sherbet?

Did you eat green salads? YES NO
If YES, when you ate green salads:
- How often did you use no dressing?
- How often did you use low calorie, diet dressing

See where they're going.... I don't recall any choices where
you're asked if you've chosen foods that were low(er) in sugar.




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bob wrote:

how do they work that? I started the registration process, so i expect i
will be getting something in the mail. How is it rigged?


Here's a repost of one of my explainations (Google my name for
more info):

I've participated in the registry for the last few years, like
many other ASDLC members (I've lost over 115lbs and have
keep it off for over 4 years). I joined in hopes that my
participation would show how low-carb plans worked, but I have my
doubts if that's really been the effect.

Honestly, I've found the registry to be a frustrating experience
because they appear to have a set agenda. Their survey topic
selection and wording seems very slanted toward dieters following
a low-fat eating plan. There might be a way to extricate
information on low-carb plans, but that would be IF you
wanted to look into low-carb eating. In short, if they had wider
food choices (like including olive oil as a fat section) and at
least asked in some fashion whether you attempted to limit your
carb intake, then the survey might give some information on how
low-carbers lose bodyfat and keep it off. Instead on most food
choices your asked if you made low-fat choices.

Examples:

Did you eat cheese? YES NO
If YES, When you ate cheese:
- How often was it specially made, low fat(diet) cheese?

Did you eat frozen desserts? YES NO
If YES, When you ate frozen desserts:
- How often were they ice milk, nonfat ice cream (such as Simple
Pleasures), frozen yogurt or sherbet?

Did you eat green salads? YES NO
If YES, when you ate green salads:
- How often did you use no dressing?
- How often did you use low calorie, diet dressing

See where they're going.... I don't recall any choices where
you're asked if you've chosen foods that were low(er) in sugar.




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"Doug Lerner" wrote in message
...
Tom wrote:

Your right, and I can't figure out exactly why I am bothered by it.
I
was hoping that over the past year that all the media attention would
have
been a little more educational to the average person that has never read
any
material about how and why it works. Instead it seems now like a passing
fad. There were quite a few guys at work over the past 2 years(1 over 3
years) that have been on it. Myself and the 3 yr guy are the only ones
left
that have maitained our weight. If one of us 2 fails, it would be
awfully
close to the 95% failure rate of most other diets.

That's not very good news. I guess LC is not a panacea either.

It seems that to some people, for whatever reason dieting is a temporary
way of eating, rather than the lifestyle change that it should be. If
someone hasn't found the neccessary answers by first identifying and then
solving "their" problems that caused "their" obesity, then they have a more
likely chance of failure. Each person has their own unique set of problems,
and each of these individuals must be able to make the formula of weightloss
to succeed. Eat less, exercise more. Calories in, to calories out (The
number of reasons for failure) = (The number of reasons for starting). If
someone uses the formulas and the answers are not found, then they must look
for the inputs to the equations that are not working. For a few people the
problems are easily identified and easy to solve. For others, the problems
are more complicated and harder to solve. One of my problems that I have
identified is peer pressure to conform. All my other factors work. I am
confident that I will find a solution and will make it work. Your set of
problems are different than mine. I'm sure you will find the answers as well
if you are determined to.

doug

There is a book called: "Keeping It Off" by Colvin & Olson. It may have the
info you want, maybe. I have a copy, but I have not read it yet.

"bob" wrote in message
m...
thanks, that is an interesting site.


"heartha" wrote in message
...
Bob, have you looked at the National Weight Control Registry to see what
they consider long term? (www.nwcr.ws)

RRzVRR wrote:
I've participated in the registry for the last few years, like
many other ASDLC members (I've lost over 115lbs and have
keep it off for over 4 years). I joined in hopes that my
participation would show how low-carb plans worked, but I have my
doubts if that's really been the effect.

Who is the registry funded by? It's always seemed a bit fishy to me.

Xtile wrote:

RRzVRR wrote:

I've participated in the registry for the last few years, like
many other ASDLC members (I've lost over 115lbs and have
keep it off for over 4 years). I joined in hopes that my
participation would show how low-carb plans worked, but I have my
doubts if that's really been the effect.

Who is the registry funded by? It's always seemed a bit fishy to me.

Its extremely fishy...

As per tcomeau:

Nov 18, 7:47 am
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