Any Insight into "Proto Whey" or other BNRG products?

My wife has purchased a bunch of stuff for us to try, from
www.N101.com (decent prices, she says). Some of the stuff we're going
to try is from BNRG (www.bnrg.com), including Proto Whey powder, and
Power Crunch cookies. There is a whole MESS of technical mumbo-jumbo
on those two websites, and I was wondering if anyone with a bit of
technical knowledge has had a chance to cut through it and come to any
conclusions.

I'm especially interested in what folks think about this page:
http://www.bnrg.com/inc_1products_whey.cfm
(especially the bits about protein absorption, and reduced gas and
constipation.)


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¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

Gee, Bicker,

You ask alot! That really is some serious technical information.

I am hardly an expert. It will be interesting to see if Barbara H. responds
to this post.

In critical care, especially when a patient had serious trauma or surgical
wounds, it has always been recognized that their need for protein was
greatly increased. However, it has always been a challenge to get these
patients what they needed. Because of all the metabolic activity elsewhere
in the body and because of bedrest, these patients had very inefficient GI
tracts. You could give them all the protein they needed and it ended up on
the sheets as diarrhea if you were lucky! If you weren't lucky, they would
vomit and aspirate. I seem to remember it being in the late 80's or early
90's when I first got out of nursing school that some of the Tube feeding
vendors began trials with these very small micro-protein tube feedings.
Truthfully they looked gross and could only be given through an NG tube.
They worked, though and patients tolerated them.

Glutamine was also an important part of the protein tube feeding. I am
unsure exactly of the mechanism but it actually improves the health of the
tissues in the gut responsible for protein absorption and it supports the
immune function. It has a stabilizing effect on blood sugars and plays a
prominent role in muscle synthesis. I seem to remember a previous thread
where Barbara H. stated that the type of L-Glutamine that was truly
beneficial and bore out the promised results was only available by
prescription.

Mid-Chain triglycerides sparked attention when it was found that HIV
patients could absorb them. I can remember going into New Orleans in the
late 80's and being able to diagnose the HIV patients from across the
quarter. Many HIV patients used to die from starvation because they
couldn't absorb nutrients from their gut. Now with the new protease
inhibitors and also the supplements given to HIV patients, they are not so
easy to spot!

Basically, I think what BNRG has tried to do is to manufacture a protein
that is easily absorbed. It is notable that the way sick and traumatized
people respond to something is not necessarily the way that normal healthy
people do. I suspect you will be able to tell if they live up to their
promise by how well your body tolerates it. Whey protein does cause nausea
in a fairly high number of people simply because it is hard on the body to
digest and requires mega enzymatic activity by the gut. Supposedly this
protein will not do the same.

Me? I'll just have a couple of hard boiled eggs for breakfast and real meat
for dinner I remember all too well what that nasty protein looked like in
the SICU.

j



"bicker 2003" 1NVAL1D wrote in message
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My wife has purchased a bunch of stuff for us to try, from
www.N101.com (decent prices, she says). Some of the stuff we're going
to try is from BNRG (www.bnrg.com), including Proto Whey powder, and
Power Crunch cookies. There is a whole MESS of technical mumbo-jumbo
on those two websites, and I was wondering if anyone with a bit of
technical knowledge has had a chance to cut through it and come to any
conclusions.

I'm especially interested in what folks think about this page:
http://www.bnrg.com/inc_1products_whey.cfm
(especially the bits about protein absorption, and reduced gas and
constipation.)


--
¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

Yeah. "If it sounds too good to be true it is -- if they're
making health claims they could be in violation of FDA
regs -- if they say results not typical save your money."

bicker 2003 wrote:

My wife has purchased a bunch of stuff for us to try, from
www.N101.com (decent prices, she says). Some of the stuff we're going
to try is from BNRG (www.bnrg.com), including Proto Whey powder, and
Power Crunch cookies. There is a whole MESS of technical mumbo-jumbo
on those two websites, and I was wondering if anyone with a bit of
technical knowledge has had a chance to cut through it and come to any
conclusions.

I'm especially interested in what folks think about this page:
http://www.bnrg.com/inc_1products_whey.cfm
(especially the bits about protein absorption, and reduced gas and
constipation.)

--
¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:37:39 -0500, "Julianne"
wrote:
Gee, Bicker,
You ask alot! That really is some serious technical information.

Y'know. I would normally not ask. I read this stuff, internalize it,
and make my own decisions. But heck! Did you see that? It's
INCREDIBLY technical and details and OHMYGOSH I've never seen so many
words on a page that I didn't understand. grin That's why I asked.
This is either an incredible product, or it is an incredible snow job.

In critical care, especially when a patient had serious trauma or surgical
wounds, it has always been recognized that their need for protein was
greatly increased.

I'm not really that interested in whether or not more protein is
needed or not (since I've already made up my mind about how much
protein I should be getting). I'm really interested in the company's
claims that their product provides what it provides "better" than
others, again especially with respect to absorption and reduced gas
and constipation.

I suspect you will be able to tell if they live up to their
promise by how well your body tolerates it.

I'm not so sure that I'd be able to tell, that readily, whether their
product is that much better with respect to absorption.

Whey protein does cause nausea
in a fairly high number of people simply because it is hard on the body to
digest and requires mega enzymatic activity by the gut.

I've never had a problem with nausea with the protein I use, and it's
mostly whey protein.


--
¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

"bicker 2003" 1NVAL1D wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:37:39 -0500, "Julianne"
wrote:
Gee, Bicker,
You ask alot! That really is some serious technical information.

Y'know. I would normally not ask. I read this stuff, internalize it,
and make my own decisions. But heck! Did you see that? It's
INCREDIBLY technical and details and OHMYGOSH I've never seen so many
words on a page that I didn't understand. grin That's why I asked.
This is either an incredible product, or it is an incredible snow job.

Most incredible. Either they are marketing to a highly educated population
or they are purposely making their product sound very technical. I often
work with computer people who can't seem to understand that not everyone
knows their language. I sort of suspected that was part of it.

In critical care, especially when a patient had serious trauma or
surgical
wounds, it has always been recognized that their need for protein was
greatly increased.

I'm not really that interested in whether or not more protein is
needed or not (since I've already made up my mind about how much
protein I should be getting). I'm really interested in the company's
claims that their product provides what it provides "better" than
others, again especially with respect to absorption and reduced gas
and constipation.

I realize that but the point was that people with increased needs had
decreased ability to absorb the protien and hence they came out with the
micro-protiens that were very small and I wanna say some enzymatic activity
had already occured lessening the metabolic burden on the gut. By making it
smaller, it was absorbed easier. I suspect that if you don't have problems
with whey protien now, your benefits will be minor. If their claims are
true, I can see it being a real benefit for those who don't feel so hot
after ingesting a large amount of whey or casien (sp?).

I suspect you will be able to tell if they live up to their
promise by how well your body tolerates it.

I'm not so sure that I'd be able to tell, that readily, whether their
product is that much better with respect to absorption.

It doesn't seem to be dangerous. Why not try it and see how it affects you.
In your case, from what I know about you, if it were to improve your
athletic performance and your ability to provide your cells with superior
quality protien to build muscle, it would be worth it and you would probably
notice a difference after a few weeks. If not, well, then... back to the
grocery store!

Whey protein does cause nausea
in a fairly high number of people simply because it is hard on the body
to
digest and requires mega enzymatic activity by the gut.

I've never had a problem with nausea with the protein I use, and it's
mostly whey protein.


--
¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

A follow-up on this. Well, the first day wasn't so good. I suppose I
need a new recipe, since this stuff is not as tasty as our trusty
Myoplex Lite. We'll keep plugging at it (until the drum is empty, at
least. grin)


--
¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

I'm so glad there are adventurous souls who critique things before I waste
money on them. FWIW, I find adding a banana and peanutbutter to any shake
can hide all but the worst tastes but there goes the calorie count!

j
"bicker 2003" 1NVAL1D wrote in message
...
A follow-up on this. Well, the first day wasn't so good. I suppose I
need a new recipe, since this stuff is not as tasty as our trusty
Myoplex Lite. We'll keep plugging at it (until the drum is empty, at
least. grin)


--
¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.