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Pat in TX

On Oct 12, 2:08?pm, "em" wrote:
I think I can put this a little better.

I'm not counting carbs but I do stay mindful of what I eat. I am at/around
20 carbs per day. I have several things that I choose from each day: eggs,
different kinds of low-carb veggies, cheeses, seeds, nuts and meat. On days
when I eat nuts or seeds, I'll either limit or eliminate the cheese. The
lack of variety doesn't bother me, but I do have other things from
time-to-time, such as berries or whatever little low-carb treat I find at
the store. (Not the sugar alcohol candy, though, that doesn't work for me.)

thanks, em. I haven't *ever* had to go as low as 20 a day after
Induction, but I'm considering what it would look like for me.

I'd eat chocomaltitol on a daily basis but to me it's like gin.
Instead of the whanging hangover you get a personal cloud of methane.

Raspberries are awesome. I've been digging cantaloupe with a touch of
lime lately.

c
I could just eat my dog...

wrote:

What does a 20 carb day look like to you?

Cheese and eggs and coffee and other stuff that could be viewed
as zero but that is rounded down from 0.5, total of about 10 for the
day. Half of that from the plentiful dairy a slice of American
process
cheese on the two eggs at breakfast and 3-4 ounces of cheese at
lunch.

The other ten was a soup bowl of salad before dinner, mixed leave
types some sliced cuke some diced green onion. Plus the
mandatory 1-2 servings of low carb veggie like asparugus or
cauliflower.

Do you watch calories at all

Not in the first week of Atkins. But since the cravings were then
gone I watched portions from the second week on.

or do you just make yourself sick on steaks?

I admit that going to Outback for a giant steak does happen.
Just not every month. On the last day of Induction I did go
out for a steak and lobster feast, though. I had steamer clams
(1 gram per oz), lobster (0.1 gram per oz), steak (the Heinz
57 must have been about 3 grams) and a big salad. The next
day food wasn't much interesting though my undereating that
one day didn't even out the calories for the day before.

What if you had to stay there *forever*, what would you do?

Being on Atkins I only did it for 14 days.

But when I read about longevity and how the reduced calorie
mice thrive, it looks like reduced insulin is the primary reason
they live longer with reduced thyroid as the secondary reason.
Staying at 20 long enough eventually drops T3 thyroid (probably
way stalls are so very common among folks who stay at 20).

so staying at 20, while not effective for fat loss, might actually
be good for longevity.

Personally , I eat a lot of eggs and hamburger, but I know I only have
to live like that for two weeks of induction. If I'm cutting carbs and
not on Induction ( which I've only officially done five times in ten
years) I'll eat Advantage bars, the tops of pizzas, cantaloupe, weird
food experiments, etc.

Tops of pizza seems quite normal for my post-Induction.

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On Oct 12, 2:08?pm, "em" wrote:
I think I can put this a little better.

I'm not counting carbs but I do stay mindful of what I eat. I am
at/around
20 carbs per day. I have several things that I choose from each day:
eggs,
different kinds of low-carb veggies, cheeses, seeds, nuts and meat. On
days
when I eat nuts or seeds, I'll either limit or eliminate the cheese. The
lack of variety doesn't bother me, but I do have other things from
time-to-time, such as berries or whatever little low-carb treat I find at
the store. (Not the sugar alcohol candy, though, that doesn't work for
me.)

thanks, em. I haven't *ever* had to go as low as 20 a day after
Induction, but I'm considering what it would look like for me.


Things go south for me when I hit 35, something like that, so I just keep it
low. I know that I can go overboard a bit if I want to without screwing up.
My only real screw-ups are when I eat something like a donut or whatever.
That baahahhahad for me.


I'd eat chocomaltitol on a daily basis but to me it's like gin.
Instead of the whanging hangover you get a personal cloud of methane.

c must stand for cool! Is that low-carb stuff? If so, I'm going to buy a
can/bottle/box or whatever and keep it around for those times when I need
it.


Raspberries are awesome. I've been digging cantaloupe with a touch of
lime lately.

Woa! I just looked that up. Cantaloupe is low carb!!! I didn't know that. I
love that stuff. I buy my daughter fruit bowls all the time and am afraid to
touch them. What about other mellons?

Mike


c
I could just eat my dog...


If ya' did that, who'd you have to blame for your chocomaltitol escapades?
LOL, I remember how much farting used to **** off my x, especially at night
when we were sleeping. I'd be asleep and she'd start shoving me and
bitching. I guess farting is one of the things I miss most from days gone
by. I certainly miss farting more than her.

But when I read about longevity and how the reduced calorie
mice thrive, it looks like reduced insulin is the primary reason
they live longer with reduced thyroid as the secondary reason.
Staying at 20 long enough eventually drops T3 thyroid (probably
way stalls are so very common among folks who stay at 20).

Uh huh. I've been thinking about that lately, and I've also been
thinking about why it is that people think I'm my fifteen year old
son's older sister. Aging isn't the same as it used to be now that
there's Clairol and lipo, but it's gottten to a point of curiosity
with me.

Lots of good reasons to go to 20 and stay there. I've just never done
it before.

c

star labrat

wrote:

Lots of good reasons to go to 20 and stay there.

None of which have to do with loss after reaching some level above
ideal. Stalls at 20 are common because of the T3 reduction.

I've just never done it before.

My CCLL is 50. When I did 6 months at 35 because it's easy, I
lost nothing for that 6 months and I dropped out of ketosis. It
took a year to figure out what I'd done to myself.

writes:

What does a 20 carb day look like to you? Do you watch calories at all
or do you just make yourself sick on steaks? What if you had to stay
there *forever*, what would you do?

I doubt I'd want to eat steaks every day, but I'm pretty easy to please.
I've had eggs with bacon or sausage every morning for as long as I can
remember, and I haven't gotten tired of them yet. Usually fried in
lard, sometimes omelettes when I'm feeling ambitious and have leftovers
to put in them.

For lunch yesterday, I made Cheeseburger In A Bowl: brown some
hamburger, put it in a bowl, mix in some cheese and whatever condiments
you'd put on a cheeseburger -- in this case just mayo and mustard, but
sometimes I'll add onions, diced jalapenos, whatever sounds good.

Supper last night was a ham steak sauted in a bit of butter long enough
to heat it, with sides of Swiss Chard. I separated the leaves and stems
and boiled them. Then I stirred butter and a little salt into the
boiled leaves, and made a white sauce for the stems with cream, water,
cheddar cheese, and guar gum to thicken it a bit. (I overdid the guar
gum and it had a slimy feel I didn't like. I'm still getting the hang
of that stuff.)

So that was a pretty typical day: My usual breakfast, one very simple
throw-it-together meal, and one more complicated meal. Trade the Swiss
Chard for broccoli, salad, asparagus, etc; and the meat for other meats,
and you can get a lot of variety.



--
Aaron -- 285/254/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz

"em" writes:

Woa! I just looked that up. Cantaloupe is low carb!!! I didn't know
that. I love that stuff. I buy my daughter fruit bowls all the time and
am afraid to touch them. What about other mellons?

Watermelon is even better on the carb count. As fruits go on the carb
scale, strawberries are the low-carb king, followed by blackberries and
raspberries, then watermelon, then cantaloupe and honeydew, then
peaches, then sour cherries. Beyond those, most fruits are too carby
for me to bother with, and the low-carb ones tend to be my favorites
anyway. I'd never eat and apple or orange when there are berries and
melon to be had.

Special mention of avocados, which are technically a fruit although most
people probably don't think of them that way. They're quite low-carb
and high in fat and other good stuff.



--
Aaron -- 285/254/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz

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Aaron Baugher wrote:

"em" writes:

Woa! I just looked that up. Cantaloupe is low carb!!! I didn't know
that. I love that stuff. I buy my daughter fruit bowls all the time and
am afraid to touch them. What about other mellons?

Watermelon is even better on the carb count. As fruits go on the carb
scale, strawberries are the low-carb king, followed by blackberries and
raspberries, then watermelon, then cantaloupe and honeydew, then
peaches, then sour cherries. Beyond those, most fruits are too carby
for me to bother with, and the low-carb ones tend to be my favorites
anyway. I'd never eat and apple or orange when there are berries and
melon to be had.

Special mention of avocados, which are technically a fruit although most
people probably don't think of them that way. They're quite low-carb
and high in fat and other good stuff.


You forgot the blueberries!

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This, apparently, upsets the fools."
---BB cuts to the pith of a flame-fest

On Oct 12, 3:58?pm, Doug Freyburger wrote:
wrote:

Lots of good reasons to go to 20 and stay there.

None of which have to do with loss after reaching some level above
ideal. Stalls at 20 are common because of the T3 reduction.

I've just never done it before.

My CCLL is 50. When I did 6 months at 35 because it's easy, I
lost nothing for that 6 months and I dropped out of ketosis. It
took a year to figure out what I'd done to myself.


So what had you done to yourself? Do you think your low T3 was causing
you to burn carbs? Liver shutdown? I don't get what happened.

c

speak slowly, I'm on ketones