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  #21  
Old May 26th, 2004, 10:27 AM
Miss Violette
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great post, Lee
Kate Dicey wrote in message
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Geoff wrote:

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
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This makes me very sad to read this, if you had a cut that needed

stitches
you would pay someone to clean and sew you up, WW is a health provider

as
far as I am concerned. Rather than thinking of it as a weakness

perhaps,
you should see the strength in asking for, paying for and receiving the
assistance you need to accomplish your goals, Lee



Hello Lee. I agree with you in principle but I can't see what paying WW
would do for me? I have asked people this before and they start being

very
cruel and arguing with me as if I'm trying to be difficult! I'm not

doing
that so PLEASE don't take me the wrong way or in an offensive way. I

simply
get a little put off at the thought of paying a company when the only

extra
thing they can give me that I don't already have access to (via my

Mother
who is a member) is a room to sit in with other people. That IS a huge
benefit, I admit that, but I would like to see those people as friends

(it
is friends that I really need) and I wouldn't normally pay to make

friends.
I do still think it maybe worth my while though but at the moment I'm

not
going with that option.

I am not actually that interested in following WW anymore than just

using
their points system anyway. I like the idea of their points system

simply
because it's helpful to be able to categorise food like that and also to
have a target to work towards, and that is helping me at the moment. I

think
I would gain very little by paying WW though when my Mother is already a
member.

Geoff.


One of the things I really like about the meetings I go to is the
support: the helping hand along the way, the flow of ideas for new foods
to try and the discussion of all the different things that work for the
different people. There is also the psychological aspect of paying: it
makes ME more determined to stay on program!

And one of the best things about WW is that NOTHING is forbidden, no
food is bad, and no-one condemns you for what you do. Everything has a
points value, from cheese to chocolate, and YOU choose what to spend the
points on. Every discarded pound is celebrated, and every gain mourned
without blame. Strategies for getting back in the groove are suggested
for the ones who stray, and altogether we have a serious giggle!

Stop for a moment and turn the question round: rather than thinking
'What would going to the meetings do for me?', ask 'What is NOT going to
meetings doing for me?'

It isn't helping you to lose weight
It isn't giving you the example of others to follow
It isn't teaching you to re-educate your tastes and food habits
It isn't helping you not to feel guilty about food
It isn't teaching you about healthy options for eating out
It isn't providing you with a helpline in times of need
It isn't providing you with a pleasant social occasion to look forward
to every week

I'm sure you can think of a lot more. And yes, you CAN get some of
these things in other ways, but it's great to get them all at once!

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Old May 26th, 2004, 10:34 AM
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"Geoff" wrote in message
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"Nathalie W" wrote in message
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What about V8-juice ? It 's liquid vegetable... as are all kinds of

soups,
maybe you like them ?
Spaghetti sauce made of pureed tomatoes, peppers, carrots etc. maybe

mixed
with some minced meat is really good and you don't notice you ' re

having
healthy veggies :-)



Thanks Nathalie. I'm not sure I'd really want to try that. It sounds a
bit...errrmmm...well not really something I'd like! The mince meat part
sounds good though.


Just a question (and I don't mean to sound snarky or mean, or anything, just
curious), but how do you *know* you don't like something until you try it?
Perhaps you could think of this phase in your life as an adventure, where
you take your tastebuds out on a little journey. I know I intensly dislike
mushrooms, but that's because occasionally I'll try one (generally on pizza
) just to make sure. The absolute worst that can happen is that you feel
physically sick. I know that's not exactly plesant, but then at least
you'll know for sure!

Don't go into trying a new thing with a negative attitude either - you're
guaranteed to fail, and I know that from experience! Sometimes I'll try
something I don't usually like in an unusual form, and it's only then that I
can truely judge whether I like it or not. Cover things up. Eat
blindfolded! Investigate sauces that you like. As (I think) Kate said -
learn to cook! It's amazing what you can do to some things to make them
taste good.

I wish you the best of luck. You sound like you're managing at the moment,
but are scared to start expanding your horizons. Give it a go - you never
know what new things are out there waiting for you

--
Julie.
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Old May 26th, 2004, 11:03 AM
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I hope it helps me too, thanks.

Geoff.

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
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I was not offended in the least. I am just kinda sad for you since you
haven't gone. I read in another post that you are uncomfortable saying

your
weight, I was for a long time here and everyone supported me when I

couldn't
say it and they were great when I finally came clean. I hope you find

what
you need, I think this group might be some help to you, Lee



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Old May 26th, 2004, 11:25 AM
Kate Dicey
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Geoff wrote:
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36 is what I'm working to at the moment. I am above 20 (and a man!) and
although 36 is hard to stick to, I have almost managed it for over 2 weeks
now (have gone a little over on some days). I figured that as I'm just about
managing it, I won't try to find out if I can eat anymore than that. Maybe
that isn't the best way to do things because I may not be getting enough,
but I'm not a huge amount over 20 stone and I do feel like I'm eating enough
really, however hard it is for me.


I found that to start with I had real difficulty eating all the points!
I was so keen to eat healthy low point stuff that I filled up on it
and left no room for the energy and brain food stuff! Duh! And the
sheer QUANTITY that my points represented could be daunting...

Yeah I accept that, but I really do feel physically sick at eating some
vegetables and although I haven't even tried many of them, I am scared to
because of how I react to some of them. There is probably some deep reason
why they make me feel physically sick but....well I don't know what to do. I
feel that if I can eat my points without touching a vegitable then I'll stay
away from them. Of course what I asked for is help with zero point foods,
and I know full well that the majority of people will tell me 'vegitables'.
So I'm a bit stuck.


It sounds like you had a bad experience with one thing in the past
somewhere (probably as a small child, and too long ago to trace!), and
that put you off. It may be a texture thing: I hated fried eggs as a
child because of the slimy texture of the white! I hated fatty meat for
the same reason. Try changing the textures of foods: process the
veggies to a pulp and use them in sauces, or try juicing them: not as
good as the 'real thing' from the dietary point, but still better than
no veggies! Zero point veggie soups can be pureed too, and that
disguises all sorts of horrors! Fruits can also be mangled up
nicely! Fruit smoothies made with zero fat Yoghurt are a great way to
get a nice creamy couple of portions in, along with the daily milk
allowance.
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I agree with you. I'm not saying that I don't like all vegitables without
trying any though. I used to try things like beans and peas and I would
honestly throw up if I wasn't careful. They really did make me sick because
I found the taste sooo nasty-Especially peas! I know I need to try others
but I guess I'm just scared stiff to.


This I understand. My Little Sis was a veggie hater as a kid, and
wouldn't eat most 'Sunday Dinner' vegetables. We ended up making
coleslaw to go with her dinner, and feeding her the vegetables in soups!
Nowadays she does eat vegetables, but far fewer varieties than either
of her kids or her hubby! He likes dinner here and at my mum's because
we always do LOTS of veggies! I once got her to eat two portions of my
red cabbage and apple casserole (recipe below), and the whole family
regarded it as a minor miracle! Do keep trying, and as I said
elsewhere, try a little, and don't give up. Keep trying the same things
done different ways, as something may just take your fancy...

--------------------8-----------------------------------------------

Good point, and that makes me realise that I do need to try different food
even if I am coping without it at the moment. I know I can't stick at what
I'm eating at the moment for the rest of my life. I would tell you what my
daily food roughly is but to be honest, I'll only attract a lot of replies
from people critisising it when I already know it's stupid.


Email me then! The address above works. Most people won't criticism,
except in a constructive way. We know you know your eating habits are
not good, and we know and admire your efforts to change. Most folk here
will do their best to help you rather than slap you down.
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I could eat 5 bananas a day if I really had to but that would swallow up a
lot of my pounts-7.5 to be exact, as I'm sure you know (I'm just proof
reading this now and I know you don't agree with the 1.5 points and I've
mentioned that later). Doesn't sound that bad actually. I know that I
shouldn't just stick to bananas though and I wouldn't want to. I can eat
apples too, although I don't like them very much. It isn't the taste I don't
like but they are just hard to eat! I'll eat them if I have to though. I
like some other fruits such as grapes, and someone else suggested them as a
low points fruit.


If you ate 5 bananas a day, you'd not be short of potassium! (I was
after a bout of gall bladder disease, and 5 bananas a day would have
been WONDERFUL compared to the poisonous tasting concoction they made me
swallow! BLEARGH!)

It definitely sounds like a texture thing to me, possibly related to a
choking incident as a child (my son went off ice cream for a week or two
after one of those!). Frozen grapes are a wonderful thing in the heat
of the summer, and you cannot eat them fast! Grapes are 1 point for
100g.

You mentioned fiber that you get from vegitables and fruit. How about if I
get it from cereal? I know that a lot of cereal has fiber in. I don't know
how much compared to what I need for the day but I have maybe 2 bowls of
cereal a day as part of my current 'plan'.


Fibre from cereals tends to be more processed than raw vegetable fibre,
and sometimes you need to watch it a bit... Shredded Wheat is good,
even if it is a bit like eating Brillo pads! Porridge is good as oat
bran is soluble and less likely to irritate the gut than wheat bran.
Any high fibre version of bread and the like is better than the white
sort, but personally i draw the line at pasta! Whole wheat pasta has a
texture that I find loathly, and it tastes like cardboard!

In some way I know I'm very lucky, because I LOVE all the high fibre
stuff (except pasta!), and most fresh fruit and vegetables. About the
only vegetables I don't like are broad beans and okra!
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I was going by one of the WW lists that I THINK says a 'medium' banana is
1.5 points. What do you think? Is that not correct or (like most things!) is
it too Americanised? Do they have larger bananas in America or something?


We do get bigger bananas here, and they have to be pointed higher... q
100g (peeled weight) banana is 1.5 points.
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I would peel the apples anyway because the part I don't like about them is
the skin! I just need to practise my non-existant peeling skills!


Peel pears as well: I don't like pear skin texture much.
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Is apples and bananas ok?


Yummy!

I can't eat carrots....yet anyway. I do actually drink a lot of water
and when I'm hungry it does help. I love water with tons of ice in and that
does really help me. I also drink a lot of diet coke. I know some people say
that isn't good for me but it's zero points, so when I'm as desperate as I
am to lose a lot of weight, I'll get the weight off first and then worry
about what's not good for me.


I dislike Coke in all its forms, so it's never an issue with me.
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Someone needs to dare me to try a carrot I think! Such a scary thought.


OK, I dare you! Slice it thin or grate it, and eat a little at a
time. Don't worry if it makes you gag a bit to start with - you need to
train yourself out of that learned reaction. And try just chewing the
first couple of mouthfuls, for the taste and texture. If you know you
don't have to swallow them, you can explore the other side of carrots
without the pressure. Once you get used to the taste and texture, try
swallowing a little. Take it nice and slow, and don't let the gag
reaction scare you off.

You can tell I was a teacher in a former life, can't you!
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If they were a tasteless mush that would be better to be honest.

Thanks for the recipe idea Kate. I don't know how I can eat all that stuff
at the moment but I DO want to be able to, I really do. I don't know how to
make myself like vegitables though.


Slowly! Try a little of something different every day. And keep trying
lots of things. You may never come to love vegetables the way I do, but
you may eventually find a variety you can eat comfortably. This will be
a HUGE victory for you, and we will cheer madly at every success.
Failures will be met with 'Never mind, at least you tried' and 'try this
instead'. Think of it as an adventurous journey, full of challenges and
new experiences.
-------------------------------8----------------------------------------

I will try, but it is tough. I've never managed to lose much weight in the
past and a big part of me thinks I won't manage this time either. I know
that isn't the way to think but I can't help that. This is why I need
support, but I need 'real' support from friends who really care. I don't
have any local friends though so I'm a bit stuck. I know I can get support
in some places like this group, but even then SOME people tend to criticise
rather than help. Some have the attitude, "Why do you think this? Why do you
do that?" and are harsh about it, rather than trying to understand and help
me, so then I just get wound up and soon give up totally.


This is why I think that it might be worth trying the meetings: real
live real world support from people on the same journey you are on, who
can help you with the hard parts and cheer the good days. I also want
you to ask yourself why you feel the way you do, and do what you do: it
helps you to realize what your motives are, and that is a step on the
way to changing them. No-one will condemn you for the past, but in
order to change the future, you need to know WHAT went wrong and WHY.
This will help you to avoid making the same errors of judgment and
choice now and in the future. Yes is will sometimes be painful, yes it
will be difficult, and yes some days you will blow it! If it was easy,
you and I would both be slim and fit tomorrow! As it is, tomorrow we
will both look much the same as today, BUT six months from now we will
both be in smaller trousers and able to walk further and quicker than we
can now, and ten years from now we will both be alive and well, not
dying of a weight related condition.

Thanks again for your long post, it's been helpful.
Geoff.


You are very welcome. Remember, learning the discipline will be as hard
as learning to love carrots, but it CAN be done! Good luck!


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Old May 26th, 2004, 04:07 PM
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I DOUBLE DARE you! *grin*
Carrots are lurvely. Honest.........

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GOAL August 16th 2001
....going down?...

"Geoff" wrote in message
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"Kate Dicey" wrote in message
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Hi Kate. Thanks for your nice long post. I'll go through it bit by bit...

If you are above the top weights in the charts, see if your mum can find
out through WW what your points SHOULD be. I know it will mean eating
more to start with, but you need a certain amount to keep working while
you work on the excess. Here in the UK if you are more than 20 stone or
280 lbs and a man, you get 36 points, plus whatever bonus points you
earn through exercise.


36 is what I'm working to at the moment. I am above 20 (and a man!) and
although 36 is hard to stick to, I have almost managed it for over 2 weeks
now (have gone a little over on some days). I figured that as I'm just

about
managing it, I won't try to find out if I can eat anymore than that. Maybe
that isn't the best way to do things because I may not be getting enough,
but I'm not a huge amount over 20 stone and I do feel like I'm eating

enough
really, however hard it is for me.

My main problem, as with all previous diets, is that I barely like any

food
that's good for me. That isn't by choice of course, it's just the way

I
am
and I can't do anything about it.


Yes you can! One of the significant things about like and dislikes
in food is that MOST of them are LEARNED responses!


Yeah I accept that, but I really do feel physically sick at eating some
vegetables and although I haven't even tried many of them, I am scared to
because of how I react to some of them. There is probably some deep reason
why they make me feel physically sick but....well I don't know what to do.

I
feel that if I can eat my points without touching a vegitable then I'll

stay
away from them. Of course what I asked for is help with zero point foods,
and I know full well that the majority of people will tell me

'vegitables'.
So I'm a bit stuck.

There are very few
programmed in flavours that are natural and instant dislikes. One of
the things that is quite noticeable is that in families where a LOT of
fresh foods and vegetables are eaten, the kids LIKE things like Brussels
sprouts, broccoli, cabbage, courgettes, onions and whatever, and in
families where this is NOT encouraged from an early age (as in under a
year old!), the kids profess to dislike them even before trying them!


I agree with you. I'm not saying that I don't like all vegitables without
trying any though. I used to try things like beans and peas and I would
honestly throw up if I wasn't careful. They really did make me sick

because
I found the taste sooo nasty-Especially peas! I know I need to try others
but I guess I'm just scared stiff to.

And stop thinking of it as a diet! It's a healthy eating plan FOR LIFE!
And like all major life changes, it takes time to work into and get

right.

Good point, and that makes me realise that I do need to try different food
even if I am coping without it at the moment. I know I can't stick at what
I'm eating at the moment for the rest of my life. I would tell you what my
daily food roughly is but to be honest, I'll only attract a lot of replies
from people critisising it when I already know it's stupid.

Potatoes count as a starch in the Great Plan, not a vegetable. They are
in the same bracket as rice, bread, pasta, and the like. For the sake
of your health, you need to include AT LEAST 5 portions of fruit and
vegetables per day.


I could eat 5 bananas a day if I really had to but that would swallow up a
lot of my pounts-7.5 to be exact, as I'm sure you know (I'm just proof
reading this now and I know you don't agree with the 1.5 points and I've
mentioned that later). Doesn't sound that bad actually. I know that I
shouldn't just stick to bananas though and I wouldn't want to. I can eat
apples too, although I don't like them very much. It isn't the taste I

don't
like but they are just hard to eat! I'll eat them if I have to though. I
like some other fruits such as grapes, and someone else suggested them as

a
low points fruit.

You mentioned fiber that you get from vegitables and fruit. How about if I
get it from cereal? I know that a lot of cereal has fiber in. I don't know
how much compared to what I need for the day but I have maybe 2 bowls of
cereal a day as part of my current 'plan'.

I can eat some fruit but it seems I only like the fruit with higher

points.
The main fruit I'll eat is bananas but at 1.5 points that isn't

something I
can eat 10 of without it affecting my diet.


The must be VERY big bananas! A small (80g without skin) banana is
1 point here in the UK.


I was going by one of the WW lists that I THINK says a 'medium' banana is
1.5 points. What do you think? Is that not correct or (like most things!)

is
it too Americanised? Do they have larger bananas in America or something?

Apples are only half a point each, and there are LOTS of different

varieties
about. Try different varieties and see what you can find.


I definately will, thank you.

Peel fruit and chop it up: takes longer to prepare and eat that way!


I would peel the apples anyway because the part I don't like about them is
the skin! I just need to practise my non-existant peeling skills!

Mix a higher point fruit with a lower point one: a cocktail of apples

and
orange, or kiwi fruit and pear, for example.


Is apples and bananas ok?

Have you tried having a drink instead? Quite often the body gets
confused and asks for food when it's really dehydrated. Have a glass of
water and wait. If you are still hungry after 20 minutes, eat a raw

carrot!

I can't eat carrots....yet anyway. I do actually drink a lot of water
and when I'm hungry it does help. I love water with tons of ice in and

that
does really help me. I also drink a lot of diet coke. I know some people

say
that isn't good for me but it's zero points, so when I'm as desperate as I
am to lose a lot of weight, I'll get the weight off first and then worry
about what's not good for me.

Carrots are quite a good one. If you chop them in slices and eat them
like chips, they taste sweeter and last longer. Swede and carrots
grated take AGES to eat, so make you feel fuller, and they taste sweeter
than when whole or boiled.


Someone needs to dare me to try a carrot I think! Such a scary thought.

There aren't any really good 'mad munchies' foods that are not
vegetables. I'm going to suggest something here that I want you to
think about really seriously: learn to cook! NOT just to throw a few
simple dishes together, but really learn to prepare and cook vegetables.
Get a WW vegetarian cookbook, and try lots of different things in
different combinations. If you don't like the 'two veg' of meat and two
veg dinners, ask yourself why. Do you dislike carrots and broccoli
because they are cooked to a tasteless mush?


If they were a tasteless mush that would be better to be honest.

Thanks for the recipe idea Kate. I don't know how I can eat all that stuff
at the moment but I DO want to be able to, I really do. I don't know how

to
make myself like vegitables though.

The last thing I can do is say KEEP TRYING! New tastes take a while to
develop, so don't give up, and try a little at a time.


I will try, but it is tough. I've never managed to lose much weight in the
past and a big part of me thinks I won't manage this time either. I know
that isn't the way to think but I can't help that. This is why I need
support, but I need 'real' support from friends who really care. I don't
have any local friends though so I'm a bit stuck. I know I can get support
in some places like this group, but even then SOME people tend to

criticise
rather than help. Some have the attitude, "Why do you think this? Why do

you
do that?" and are harsh about it, rather than trying to understand and

help
me, so then I just get wound up and soon give up totally.

Thanks again for your long post, it's been helpful.
Geoff.




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Old May 26th, 2004, 06:04 PM
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Geoff,

I'm going to weigh in (Hah. I made a pun) here and give you my two
cents worth. Warning, it'll be long and rambly. I'm just in that
kind of mood today.

1. Even though it may not be one, I count potatoes as vegtables. I
don't eat them that often, and I figure it doesn't hurt in the long
run. Plus, you might want to try sweet potatoes. I've heard they are
one of the most nutritious things you can eat.

2. There is never a good time to diet. You'll always find excuses
why you don't wanna. But it sounds like you have come to the
realization that we all came to here - if you're going to do it, then
by god, just do it. Somewhere along the line I just got fed up with
being fat and tired and so unhappy that it was time to do something
else. I was finally ready. Looks like you are at that point now.
Good for you. It's going to seem like an impossible task at times,
but you have to keep chipping away at it, and sooner, rather than
later - it WILL start to get easier. Remember, progress not
perfection.

3. It may sound like a lot of the advice you have gotten here has
been a bit harsh. What you have to remember is that everyone here
that has had any smidge of success at weight loss has been right where
you are right now. If it sounds like you are being fussed at, it's
only because the excuses that you are putting out are ones that
everyone here has said to themselves at one point or another. A lot
of people have managed to work through their issues with food and
weight loss and they are only trying to impart some of the wisdom they
have learned in their own journey. Take only what you need and leave
the rest.

4. As many others have said, there is no magical wonderful delicious
food that has zero points. The zero point ones pretty much all fall
into the vegetable category. There are some very high fiber cereals
that can come out to be .5 points per serving. If there were some
wonderful no-point food that tasted great then I never would have
gotten in the shape I did. Doesn't seem fair, does it?

5. This is the most important point I will make in my long ramble
here. If you've skimmed the rest of it, pay attention here.
Don't try to do it all at once.
Pick a couple of things to work on, and focus on them. If eating
vegetables is such a big issue to you (and it sounds like it is), just
forget about that 5-a-day recommendation for now. Deal with it later.
Focus your engergies on eating your points target instead. Don't
worry so much about where you are getting your points from, or if it's
particularly nutritious - just eat the points you are allowed. Once
you get that point-thing down pat, then you can work on something
else. Maybe pick drinking water or exercising as your next goal to
work on. My point is that you don't have to cause yourself unecessary
grief because you feel like you aren't doing everything exactly the
"Weight Watchers" way. Pick small attainable goals (eating your
points, drinking your water) and when you get one of them down then
pick another. I found my weight loss journey to be much easier when I
gave myself a freakin' break. Exercise happened to be my thing that I
just didn't want to do. So, for a long time, I just didn't do it.
But, as the journey wore on, and I started feeling better, and I began
to realize that I lost MORE weight when I exercised, I worked at
finding an activity that I didn't mind doing.

I won't lie to you, it won't be an easy journey. The easy journey got
you to where you are now, and obviously you are not happy with those
results. I know I wasn't. This will be work. This will be a
conscious effort on your part to do SOMETHING DIFFERENT from what you
were doing before. What I've discovered, though, is that "something
different" does not equate to "something bad". It's just different,
and the more you do it the easier it gets. And, eventually, you may
find that you really like some of the changes you've made. You may
develop a taste for vegetables, and will wonder why in the heck you
used to dislike them so much.

Good luck - and don't give up. Lord knows if I can do it, anyone can.

Tracy
225/155/154
Goal 5/7/04





Unfortunately I don't like salsa. I keep seeing pineapple mention
actually and I'm not honestly sure if I like that or not, so I will get one
and try, so thanks for the suggestion.

I wouldn't have said potatoes were veggies either but it's just something
I've heard in the past.

As you say, maybe it isn't a good time to try and diet but to be honest I
don't know when in the last 3 years would be a good time, so I'm doing it
now and have managed for over 2 weeks now. I know that isn't long but it's
not bad considering my past record and keeping up diets so I'm quite pleased
with myself so far.

Cheers Fred,
Geoff.

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Old May 26th, 2004, 06:45 PM
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"T. Lists" wrote in message
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Geoff,

I'm going to weigh in (Hah. I made a pun) here and give you my two
cents worth. Warning, it'll be long and rambly. I'm just in that
kind of mood today.


snip


Hi Tracy and thanks for writing all that out for me. I have read it all and
taken it all in and the best thing you wrote was point number 5. You summed
up nicely how I feel at the moment. I know people are trying to help but I
can't be expected to do it all at once, and when I'm bombarded with 'you
must do this' and 'you must do that', it kinda gets to me and actually makes
me feel like giving up, because I just can't do it all. I found in a chat
room recently that was supposed to be about weight loss support, that the
people were on such high horses about it that all they did was complain at
me for not liking certain food and for feeling like I couldn't manage it.
They simply made me feel like not doing this at all.

I have already sorted out my water intake, but to be honest that's never
been a problem. I love ice cold water and always have, but I am making more
of a point to drink a lot of it lately.

I agree with you that the most important thing is to stick to my points and
worry about what I'm actually eating later. I never really intended to do
things "the WW way". I just think their points system is helpful because it
gives me a target. I could always count calories or something else but I
know the points system is better. It's the target thing that is really
helpful for me. There are lots of things I don't agree with about WW but I
won't get into it in this group because I know I'll upset people and the
last thing I want or need is an argument.

Thanks again Tracy. I'll try and stick to this but of course it isn't easy.
Geoff.


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Old May 26th, 2004, 06:45 PM
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"Miss Violette" wrote in message
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first tell us how much you actually do weigh so we can give you the right
points, that is most important, and you will see that if you have been
reading here long at all, second you must decide what you are willing to

do
to lose, and WW limits no particular food category. Third, try Popcorn,

for
a low point filler, and last, welcome, Lee


Thanks for the welcome Lee. I don't want to tell you all my weight though.
Please understand.

Geoff.


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"JulieB" wrote in message
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Just a question (and I don't mean to sound snarky or mean, or anything,

just
curious), but how do you *know* you don't like something until you try it?


Like you, I don't wish to be sarky or mean but just to help you understand,
I'll ask this...How do you know you don't like dirt from your garden? You
don't really know and I don't really know about some vegetables. I do accept
that I need to try some though, and I will work towards that someday. At the
moment though I'm struggling enough with other aspects of losing weight and
also other things going on in my life at the moment.

I wish you the best of luck. You sound like you're managing at the

moment,
but are scared to start expanding your horizons. Give it a go - you never
know what new things are out there waiting for you


I am just about managing, yes. It is very hard though. However right now I
actually don't even want to eat because of the stress my girlfriend has put
me under lately! I guess I'll be thanking her in a few months time.

Thanks Julie,
Geoff.


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"Kate Dicey" wrote in message
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Try minced turkey or chicken: lower fat and lower point than beef. Also
learn the dry-fry technique!


I always dry fry or better still don't fry at all. I also love chicken more
than mince, so I'm doing ok there.

Geoff.


 




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