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Old January 23rd, 2004, 04:03 PM
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Ig, have you read "Eat, Drink and Be Healthy?" If not, you might want
to give it a try. This is discussed in the book. A brief version can
be found at http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...e/calcium.html.

FWIW, Willett seems to say go for the calcium supplement but be sure to
get plenty of Vitamin D because studies don't tend to seperate the
calcium from the Vitamin D so we don't necessarily *know* that it the
calcium as opposed to the Vitamin D.

On 1/23/2004 9:23 AM, Ignoramus14193 wrote:
My doc recommended that I take a calcium supplement. I am 32 and I
take thyroid hormone supplement. After reading some articles on how
calcium supplements are not that great, I am thinking that perhaps
replacing calcium supplement with 3 glasses of FF milk would work
better.

Any thoughts on whether it is a better idea than just popping a
calcium pill.

i


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Old January 23rd, 2004, 04:55 PM
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On 1/23/2004 10:40 AM, Ignoramus14193 wrote:
In article , jmk wrote:

Ig, have you read "Eat, Drink and Be Healthy?" If not, you might want
to give it a try. This is discussed in the book. A brief version can
be found at http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...e/calcium.html.

FWIW, Willett seems to say go for the calcium supplement but be sure to
get plenty of Vitamin D because studies don't tend to seperate the
calcium from the Vitamin D so we don't necessarily *know* that it the
calcium as opposed to the Vitamin D.



Thanks jmk, it is an excellent article. I read that site before, but
forgot to check it wrt calcium supplementation.



So, at this point, I will stop popping calcium pills and continue
drinking milk and eating vegs.

Other authors suggest that the efficacy of calcium supplements wrt
uptake of calcium in bones is worse than that of milk. Plus, nilk
already contains vitamin D.


What I do is track my calcium intake with my Palm. If I am low, I have
1/2 calcium supplement (I don't need ht 600 mg, 300 is normally plenty).
On weekdays I am usually in good shape but weekends vary some. I do
take a multivitamin which has Vitamin D in it. I typically get in at
least 8 oz of skim milk and 6 oz of yogurt (why did they have to shrink
the package size?! -- yeah, i should buy the tub and measure it out but
i'm not there yet)


Since I Walk 100 minutes per day, on balance, I probably get enough
sunlight for my own vit d manufacture.


Nope. You live in Illinois, right? You need Vitamin D during the
winter. Even NC is too far north for the manufacture of Vitamin D in
the winter. At any rate, the RDA for Vitamin D is 5 micrograms and the
tolerable upper intake is 50 micrograms so I don't think that you could
get into much trouble by taking it.

I stopped popping vitamin pills recently as well (was taking them for
a month), since I analyzed a few key vitamins and found out that I get
lots of them from my foods. Since some vitamin ingredients
(niacinamide) may have negative impact on my health, I figure, why
bother with this vitamin stuff when I can just eat good food.


The thing is, even if you eat tons of fruits and veggies you aren't
eating all of them so you may end up being really high on some values
and not so good on others. The supplement is just an insurance policy
to help fill in some gaps that might occur due to the
variety/availability of items in your area. Of course, YMMV.

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Old January 23rd, 2004, 06:11 PM
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Is your doctor a specialist in nutrition? If not, get
a referral to a specialist. I don't know about calcium
but supplements are less effective than food for getting
anti-oxidants and fiber.


Ignoramus14193 wrote:

My doc recommended that I take a calcium supplement. I am 32 and I
take thyroid hormone supplement. After reading some articles on how
calcium supplements are not that great, I am thinking that perhaps
replacing calcium supplement with 3 glasses of FF milk would work
better.

Any thoughts on whether it is a better idea than just popping a
calcium pill.

i

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Old January 23rd, 2004, 06:12 PM
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jmk wrote:

Ig, have you read "Eat, Drink and Be Healthy?" If not, you might want
to give it a try. This is discussed in the book. A brief version can
be found at http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...e/calcium.html.

FWIW, Willett seems to say go for the calcium supplement but be sure to
get plenty of Vitamin D because studies don't tend to seperate the
calcium from the Vitamin D so we don't necessarily *know* that it the
calcium as opposed to the Vitamin D.



Actually I would think this would be an argument in favor of the
milk because you can kill multiple birds at once -- not only
calcium and Vitamin D but also protein and whatever else is
in milk.

On 1/23/2004 9:23 AM, Ignoramus14193 wrote:
My doc recommended that I take a calcium supplement. I am 32 and I
take thyroid hormone supplement. After reading some articles on how
calcium supplements are not that great, I am thinking that perhaps
replacing calcium supplement with 3 glasses of FF milk would work
better.

Any thoughts on whether it is a better idea than just popping a
calcium pill.

i


--
jmk in NC

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Old January 23rd, 2004, 06:36 PM
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On 1/23/2004 11:21 AM, Ignoramus14193 wrote:
Nope. You live in Illinois, right? You need Vitamin D during the
winter. Even NC is too far north for the manufacture of Vitamin D in
the winter. At any rate, the RDA for Vitamin D is 5 micrograms and the
tolerable upper intake is 50 micrograms so I don't think that you could
get into much trouble by taking it.



In winter, yes, but in summer I get plenty, so I figure, year round, I
am okay given all the milk etc that I drink. Bone density is a
lifetime issue, more than summer vs, winter issue. Bottom line is, I
likely get enough of Vit D and calcium and sunlight etc, averaged over
reasonable periods.


When you doctor did your bloodwork, did he/she test for Vitamin D?

Why did your doctor ask you to increase your calcium intake? Is there a
relationship between this request and your Vitamin D intake? If you
"get enough of Vit D and calcium and sunlight etc, averaged over
reasonable periods," then why did your doctor ask for this increase?

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Old January 23rd, 2004, 06:52 PM
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On 1/23/2004 12:42 PM, Ignoramus14193 wrote:

I should have asked why. I just assumed the answer -- my thyroid, I am
small boned, over 30, etc.


ass-u-me? :-/

Maybe ask. It helps to know what problem you are trying to solve.


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Old January 23rd, 2004, 06:58 PM
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"Ignoramus14193" wrote in message
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In article , Capitalist Pig

wrote:
On 23 Jan 2004 14:23:26 GMT, Ignoramus14193
wrote:

My doc recommended that I take a calcium supplement. I am 32 and I
take thyroid hormone supplement. After reading some articles on how
calcium supplements are not that great, I am thinking that perhaps
replacing calcium supplement with 3 glasses of FF milk would work
better.

Any thoughts on whether it is a better idea than just popping a
calcium pill.


Three questions:

1) What is the reason you are supplementing with thyroid?


I had thyroidectomy 11 years ago, 2/3 of thyroid
removed. Supplemntation is need to augment and suppress the remaining
thyroid.

2) What thyroid supplement brand are you using?


Russian Thyroxine, so far, which works somehow better for me than
Synthroid. Thyroxine is made from cow thyroids.

3) What is the reason to supplement with Calcium?


The doc just told me so. I guess his suggestion is based on my thyroid
issues, and being over 30.

i


http://www.nof.org/prevention/risk.htm

Here's a site that mentions thyroid medication and it's effect on bone
density. Don't know if this pertains to you....

Beverly





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Old January 23rd, 2004, 07:44 PM
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"Patricia Heil" wrote in message
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Is your doctor a specialist in nutrition? If not, get
a referral to a specialist. I don't know about calcium
but supplements are less effective than food for getting
anti-oxidants and fiber.



Milk doesn't have fiber in it. I thought we were talking about calcium and
milk here.


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Old January 23rd, 2004, 09:46 PM
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"Ignoramus14193" wrote in message
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In article , Beverly wrote:

"Ignoramus14193" wrote in message
...
In article , Capitalist Pig

wrote:
On 23 Jan 2004 14:23:26 GMT, Ignoramus14193
wrote:

My doc recommended that I take a calcium supplement. I am 32 and I
take thyroid hormone supplement. After reading some articles on how
calcium supplements are not that great, I am thinking that perhaps
replacing calcium supplement with 3 glasses of FF milk would work
better.

Any thoughts on whether it is a better idea than just popping a
calcium pill.


Three questions:

1) What is the reason you are supplementing with thyroid?

I had thyroidectomy 11 years ago, 2/3 of thyroid
removed. Supplemntation is need to augment and suppress the remaining
thyroid.

2) What thyroid supplement brand are you using?

Russian Thyroxine, so far, which works somehow better for me than
Synthroid. Thyroxine is made from cow thyroids.

3) What is the reason to supplement with Calcium?

The doc just told me so. I guess his suggestion is based on my thyroid
issues, and being over 30.

i


http://www.nof.org/prevention/risk.htm

Here's a site that mentions thyroid medication and it's effect on bone
density. Don't know if this pertains to you....


Yes, it pertains to me. Exactly so.

i


I agree that taking vitamins and other supplements aren't always necessary
when we eat a healthy diet. Unfortunately it's possible to get the daily
recommended allowance for calcium and still lose bone density due to other
reasons such as your medication. When I was diagnosed with osteopenia a few
years ago I was rather shocked. I had always followed a healthy diet, drank
milk, exercised, etc. I guess it was some of the other factors mentioned in
the article that did it for me - weighed less than 130 until I hit my mid
40's, early menopause, took thyroid medication for a couple years around age
30 and smoked until a few years ago. Unless you can determine how much the
thyroid medication is affecting your bone density it might not be a bad idea
to take a supplement.

Beverly




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Old January 23rd, 2004, 09:55 PM
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"Ignoramus14193" wrote in message
...
In article , Beverly wrote:

"Ignoramus14193" wrote in message
...
In article , Beverly wrote:

"Ignoramus14193" wrote in

message
...
In article , Capitalist

Pig
wrote:
On 23 Jan 2004 14:23:26 GMT, Ignoramus14193
wrote:

My doc recommended that I take a calcium supplement. I am 32 and I
take thyroid hormone supplement. After reading some articles on

how
calcium supplements are not that great, I am thinking that perhaps
replacing calcium supplement with 3 glasses of FF milk would work
better.

Any thoughts on whether it is a better idea than just popping a
calcium pill.


Three questions:

1) What is the reason you are supplementing with thyroid?

I had thyroidectomy 11 years ago, 2/3 of thyroid
removed. Supplemntation is need to augment and suppress the

remaining
thyroid.

2) What thyroid supplement brand are you using?

Russian Thyroxine, so far, which works somehow better for me than
Synthroid. Thyroxine is made from cow thyroids.

3) What is the reason to supplement with Calcium?

The doc just told me so. I guess his suggestion is based on my

thyroid
issues, and being over 30.

i

http://www.nof.org/prevention/risk.htm

Here's a site that mentions thyroid medication and it's effect on

bone
density. Don't know if this pertains to you....

Yes, it pertains to me. Exactly so.

i


I agree that taking vitamins and other supplements aren't always

necessary
when we eat a healthy diet. Unfortunately it's possible to get the

daily
recommended allowance for calcium and still lose bone density due to

other
reasons such as your medication. When I was diagnosed with osteopenia a

few
years ago I was rather shocked. I had always followed a healthy diet,

drank
milk, exercised, etc. I guess it was some of the other factors

mentioned in
the article that did it for me - weighed less than 130 until I hit my

mid
40's, early menopause, took thyroid medication for a couple years around

age
30 and smoked until a few years ago. Unless you can determine how much

the
thyroid medication is affecting your bone density it might not be a bad

idea
to take a supplement.

Beverly





Are you saying that a supplement would work even when milk does not
work? I find it not very believable.

i

Getting natural calcium is much better than the supplement but are you going
to make sure you get the recommended daily amount and any additional your
medication may require? I don't know what effect the medication has on
calcium - does it prevent proper absorption, etc?



 




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