Low carb diets

Doug Freese wrote:

Stop by a local foot race some day. The vast majority of these
people are far from obese and the ones that are have taken the first
step by participating. Are we all genetically gifted and eating a
low carb diet? Hell no, in fact those that have tried low carbs and
exercise typically have bonking problems.

this depends on a host of factors such as

duration/intensity
length of adaptation

It's the bodies way to
tell you, please some carbs. Unless you want to claim that exercise
is bad for you and I'm sure you're not agenda blinded, then tell me
why the body fails to run smoothly when revved up with exercise on
low carbs? Toss in some ketosis, go for nice long run, and call 911
before you leave. It's like adding water to your gas tank and
wondering why the engine does not run right.

your argument is simplistic at best. You're using fairly active
individuals to your average obese person.

Also consider what amounts of carbs are actually necessary.

Forget about runners (or athletes of any color), what about the average
person who may be exercising not at all or only minimal amounts (either
because they are unwilling, or because they are too heavy)? Say walking
briskly for 30' three times per week.

How many carbs do they need on a daily basis to sustain that?

Lyle

In article , Lyle McDonald wrote:
Doug Freese wrote:

Stop by a local foot race some day. The vast majority of these
people are far from obese and the ones that are have taken the first
step by participating. Are we all genetically gifted and eating a
low carb diet? Hell no, in fact those that have tried low carbs and
exercise typically have bonking problems.

this depends on a host of factors such as

duration/intensity
length of adaptation

It's the bodies way to
tell you, please some carbs. Unless you want to claim that exercise
is bad for you and I'm sure you're not agenda blinded, then tell me
why the body fails to run smoothly when revved up with exercise on
low carbs? Toss in some ketosis, go for nice long run, and call 911
before you leave. It's like adding water to your gas tank and
wondering why the engine does not run right.

your argument is simplistic at best. You're using fairly active
individuals to your average obese person.

Also consider what amounts of carbs are actually necessary.

Forget about runners (or athletes of any color), what about the average
person who may be exercising not at all or only minimal amounts (either
because they are unwilling, or because they are too heavy)? Say walking
briskly for 30' three times per week.

How many carbs do they need on a daily basis to sustain that?

To Doug -- just dropping you a friendly hint: read this post carefully. Lyle is
NOT agreeing with the other guy, or blaming carbs for the obesity crisis, he's
trying to help you see the big picture.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

In article ,
Doug Freese wrote:

tell me
why the body fails to run smoothly when revved up with exercise on
low carbs? Toss in some ketosis, go for nice long run, and call 911
before you leave. It's like adding water to your gas tank and
wondering why the engine does not run right.

How come I've never noticed this? Granted, I do a lot more long-
distance bicycling than marathon running, but I certainly don't
stop doing it when I'm on low-carb. I often need to take in some
extra minerals (notably potassium) when doing a distance event on
low-carb, but that's not too difficult.

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Robert Dorf wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:41:31 GMT, Tom Morley
wrote:



Lyle McDonald wrote:

Lady o' the house wrote:


I started low carbing 2 months ago because I didn't feel good. I was a
'pasta and pretzel queen' and I was hungry all the time. My brother has
lost about 50 pounds on the Atkins diet and he persuaded me to try it. I
definitely feel better eating fewer carbs and I have lost 16 pounds. Low
carbing may not work for everyone but it's working for me.

If you are interested in first reading about low carb dieting (I did so
before starting), check out Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution or one of the
other low carb diet books (you can find titles on Amazon.com---just search
for low carb diet).


No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of ****.
Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it.

Lyle


Atkins was his own worst enemy.


Though the hunchback with the trench coat and the chain saw ran a
close second.


Well, yes, there is of course, him.

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jmk wrote in message ...
On 12/16/2003 12:11 PM, tcomeau wrote:
(gman99) wrote in message ...

wrote:

I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many
are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be
popular these days.

I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with
weight control.

As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL
calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the
low carb diet does?

Low carb / low fat....doesn't matter. The ONLY way to lose / maintaina /
gain weoght is to create a calorie deficit / balance / surplus !!!!



Sure, why not. This methodology only fails 95 or more percent of the
time.

"What we found was that most people who achieved long-term weight loss
success did so by consuming a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet," said
Holly Wyatt, M.D., assistant professor of Medicine, University of
Colorado. "Very few successful weight loss maintainers ate a
low-carbohydrate, high-protein/fat diet."
http://www.naaso.org/news/20001030.asp

"Available data suggest that long-term weight loss is most consistently
achieved by adherence to a fat-restricted diet abundant in grains,
vegetables, and fruit, along with regular physical activity, a lifestyle
notably conducive to the promotion of overall health."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract





If you want to lose weight the probable best way is to do a little more and
eat a little less...PERIOD. There's nothing magical about ANY diet plan,
just remember there's nothing temporary about it. Losing weight and
maintaining a lower weight typically requires a LIFESTYLE change....FOR
LIFE !!



Yeah, and starving yourself can easily become a lifestyle, sure.
Unlike eating enough protein and fat in the diet to actually feel
satiated after a meal and not gorge on sugary carbs every hour or so.
Yep, starvation should definitely be looked upon as an attainable goal
and lifestyle.
Environmental Nutrition, May 2003 v26 i5 p1
Calories do count more than carbohydrates.

"The weight lost while on low-carb diets, such as the popular Atkins
Diet, results mostly from eating fewer calories and sticking with the
diet as long as possible, not in limiting carbohydrates per se, say
researchers from Stanford and Yale Universities.

"The researchers analyzed 107 studies published on low-carbohydrate
diets in the past 35 years. They found that the diets of those who lost
the most weight (22 pounds or more, on average) varied widely in
carbohydrate content, up to 60 grams a day. What they all had in common,
however, was that calories were restricted to about 1,100 per day and
the diets lasted about four to five months."

I've noticed that since I've been pointing out on-going and consistent
conflicts of interests on the part of researchers that consistently
publish studies that attack low-carb diets, people conveniently omit
the names of researchers whenever they reference any studies or
research. How strange.

TC

the tree by the river wrote:

In article ,
Doug Freese wrote:

tell me
why the body fails to run smoothly when revved up with exercise on
low carbs? Toss in some ketosis, go for nice long run, and call 911
before you leave. It's like adding water to your gas tank and
wondering why the engine does not run right.

How come I've never noticed this? Granted, I do a lot more long-
distance bicycling than marathon running, but I certainly don't
stop doing it when I'm on low-carb. I often need to take in some
extra minerals (notably potassium) when doing a distance event on
low-carb, but that's not too difficult.

runner are a bunch of pussies?

Lyle

"Lyle McDonald" wrote in message
...
MrMorgan wrote:

You should be a skeptic, everybody is just looking for the easy way to
do
it. Look at the "epidemic" of OBESITY in America. They don't want to
work at
anything, just lay around with the feed bag on and then try to do
NOTHING
and loose weight.

People need to realize that you need to get up and do SOMETHING like
EXERCISE and SWEAT to force the toxins out of their body,

Toxins, eh?

Yeah, obesity is caused by toxins, or in few cases demonic possesion.

/Jacob

In article , Jacob Andersen wrote:
"Lyle McDonald" wrote in message
...
MrMorgan wrote:

You should be a skeptic, everybody is just looking for the easy way to
do
it. Look at the "epidemic" of OBESITY in America. They don't want to
work at
anything, just lay around with the feed bag on and then try to do
NOTHING
and loose weight.

People need to realize that you need to get up and do SOMETHING like
EXERCISE and SWEAT to force the toxins out of their body,

Toxins, eh?

Yeah, obesity is caused by toxins, or in few cases demonic possesion.

It's that voodoo doll I have. Send me some money, and I'll stop force-feeding
it.

--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

In article , Lyle McDonald wrote:
the tree by the river wrote:

In article ,
Doug Freese wrote:

tell me
why the body fails to run smoothly when revved up with exercise on
low carbs? Toss in some ketosis, go for nice long run, and call 911
before you leave. It's like adding water to your gas tank and
wondering why the engine does not run right.

How come I've never noticed this? Granted, I do a lot more long-
distance bicycling than marathon running, but I certainly don't
stop doing it when I'm on low-carb. I often need to take in some
extra minerals (notably potassium) when doing a distance event on
low-carb, but that's not too difficult.

runner are a bunch of pussies?

See ya at the endurance weenie Christmas party, Lyle. Keep an eye out for us
runner -- we're the guys with hairy legs who are eating your portion of Xmas
pudding while you agonise over the carbs in the apple sauce that comes with
your serve of pork(-;

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

I have the atkins book and was thinking about giving it a try. I have read
it and he does have some good ideas and points in it. Don't let any one who
has been on the diet or read his book tell u that it no good there a support
gorup u can check out to more advice here it is alt.support.diet. low-carb
alot of the people there are on the diet and have lost alot of weight and
can give u advice on it. hope this helps

angie
"Tom Morley" wrote in message
nk.net...


Lyle McDonald wrote:
Lady o' the house wrote:

I started low carbing 2 months ago because I didn't feel good. I was a
'pasta and pretzel queen' and I was hungry all the time. My brother has
lost about 50 pounds on the Atkins diet and he persuaded me to try it.
I
definitely feel better eating fewer carbs and I have lost 16 pounds.
Low
carbing may not work for everyone but it's working for me.

If you are interested in first reading about low carb dieting (I did so
before starting), check out Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution or one of
the
other low carb diet books (you can find titles on Amazon.com---just
search
for low carb diet).


No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of ****.
Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it.

Lyle


Atkins was his own worst enemy.


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