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Old August 1st, 2004, 12:49 AM
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susanjoneslewis wrote:

"Dally" wrote in message
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Welcome back. I consider the DOMS to be a great motivator to stay
regular in my workouts. If I don't get to the gym at least twice a


week

I get DOMS when I go back!



DOMS I am guessing are the back line of your thigh? LOL, I don't know
work-out terms since I don't follow a gym routine (I walk and cycle from
home and in my area) They hurt at the moment from all the 7 miles by
foot and the 6 by cycle i've put in since yesterday after a weeks
layoff.


Oh! Someone I can proselytize weight-lifting to! DOMS means Delayed
Onset Muscle Soreness and it's that stiff aching feeling you get a day
or two after doing unaccustomed exercise. I've found that people
respond drastically different to DOMS. It makes me feel sort of alive,
proud that I use my body and the pain is manageable - a little bit funny
even. But I know people who are just in agony and hate it and will do
anything never to feel that way again. (They don't tend to succeed at
exercise, to say the least!)

The fish thing is bothersome to me because I *know* I need the supps
since I don't eat alot(any) fish. It's been on my list a dozen times to
pick up at the store or next time i pass a GNC - I simply haven't done
it.


Could you start? Gorton's makes a "grilled salmon" filet in the frozen
food section that is spiced and easy to buy and cook that would be a
good entry into this entree. :-) Or try the salmon on bagel idea, or
just have tuna in macaroni and cheese once in a while. It's really easy
to get it into your diet and it's such an excellent source of protein -
as well as healthy fats - that it really ought to be a staple. I was
just reading Nutrition Action Healthletter and it says men who eat fish
twice a week are less likely to get metastic prostate cancer. They are
also less likely to have heart attacks!

Part of your transformation here is to make changes one by one until
you've completely changed. Maybe eating fish wasn't something you were
ready to tackle before, but could you face it now?

I prefer the underwires myself as well. But my shape has changed since
the weightloss and I can feel the wires cutting into my skin more it
seems so I have been considering a change. Not to mention I have lost
alot of my boobs with the weightloss and I want something with a little
more support (a little more push up) to it. So bra shopping is going to
be an ordeal. Thanks for the link, I will check it out.


My advice is to get a good tape measure and go to the website ready to
take your measurements (wearing a bra that you think fits reasonably
well right now.) I got a whole bunch of bras - six I think - and sent
back four and got a second of the one I liked best. Title 9 was great
about it - that was one of their distinguishing things, in fact.

Dallas is a challenging kid heh. He's dx as type 1 a few weeks ago and
it was a stunning blow to us as a family. He yo-yo's in weight,
sometimes as high as 170 and sometimes as low as 130 which at his height
and build either one can just outside his range. The dr's say he will
level out somewhere around 145-150, he's 5'4" already at 11 years old
and one of those "big kids".


Yeah, roughly 25% of my kid's 5th grade class is like this. It's not
just obese (although they are) it's also rapid-onset puberty. I
sometimes wonder if growth hormones in meat and milk have something to
do with this gargantuism. (My kid is maybe 4'11 and 80 pounds but he
has noticeable abdominal bulging from visceral fat.) I don't know the
answer. It makes me uneasy to see everyone nodding and smiling and
talking about what big boys they are - as they serve them an extra
serving of cake.


My shopping habits have taken a complete 360 degree turn since this time
last year. It's amazing to me what we used to buy and eat on a daily
basis. I think back on it and go BLEH. Thank goodness I found the good
sense to change our lives and thank goodness I have an understanding and
adventursome family willing to try anything.


Have you gotten into deliberate family activities yet? I make a point -
we plan for it - of doing some active thing with the family for
together-time. We might go roller-blading or canoing or hiking or
swimming (we just got back from that). My husband plays tennis with the
older kids and goes on bike rides with them individually or together.
(We've got a 5 year old in the house with different biking needs so we
haven't all been on a bike ride together yet.)

Adding the activities is another one of those steps we've made along the
way of transforming our lives. It's getting commonplace enough so that
the kids all rather expect it now.

I can't even dscribe how excited I am about almost being a 100 lb loser.
That for me is going to be an incredible milestone. I don't know my BF%
although I prolly should find out. The scales have been the only #'s I
get caught up in.


It certainly made sense when you were at 280 pounds. You definitely
needed to expect to lose lean body mass (LBM) at that point. But at
this point you need to start paying attention to it. You don't want to
get gaunt with hanging skin and flab everywhe you want some muscle
tone under that skin. You also need muscle to prevent injuries, make
you feel energetic, increase your metabolism (so you can EAT!) and give
you functional strength for your day to day activities. Losing weight
isn't all it's cracked up to be. What you REALLY want to do is lose fat.

So here's where I recommend the next step - weight lifting. Have you
been to Krista's site? It's such a wonderful resource for anyone with a
human body - women particularly - that I tend to give it out in the
supermarket! http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html

I also recommend you pay more attention to the tape measure than the
scale, especially once your fat loss starts to slow down. I'm going at
a crawl now - less than 1/2 pound a week. I'd have gone nuts if I
weren't tracking measurements over time at
http://www.body-for-life-tracker.com...file.cfm?id=34

As for finding your body fat percentage, reach for that tape measure
again. There are a lot of sites and some work better for people than
others, but here's the one I use and you're so similar to me that it
might work well for you, too: http://www.biofitness.com/bodyfat.html

As for the 140? That's just a general goal for me. It
holds no particular value. If I feel good at 150..or 145.. I will stay
there. I feel good now at 189.. but I know that I would feel better at
150(somewhere in there) I picked the 140 because I had to pick something
for my sig line lol. Now.. I DO have a joking bet with my husband about
145 which I'd like to reach just because I said I would.. that if I
reach 145 I of course will not have any boobs left worth looking at and
at that point we will discuss surgery lol. I sincerely doubt I would get
new boobs, but it's fun to joke about with him as I get closer and
closer to 145.


That's another thing I identify with you on. I know I've given you a
lot of gratuitous advice - I felt I had something to offer you so I
offered it - but I desperately need support (hugs? wolf-whistles?) about
my shocking lack of boobage. I've lost over 6" off my bust - and I
wasn't particularly busty before. I keep thinking that the fat loss
from there has to stop, but I keep going down steadily. I'm expect
flapping pockets of skin within a year.

Back to your question of do I still feel like I have 50 lbs to lose?
Yes, I still feel fat and flabby. I still have a fat mental image of
myself. I wonder if that will ever go away once I reach "goal".


Not unless you start doing some resistance training. :-)

Susan
280/189/140


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Old August 2nd, 2004, 03:12 AM
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"susanjoneslewis" wrote in message
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LOL!
Yes, there is that We had such fun on our trip, we walked miles and
miles of San Antonio, swam, did the hottub thing etc. I'm pretty sure
that I walked as much as I normally do. I just know I ate too damned
much lol, the first night there we went to Texas Land & Cattle Co.


I actually ate dinner there when I was in San Antonio 2 years ago - it was
the best steak I've ever had.

I loved the Riverwalk. My compatriots and I did an "international" pub
crawl one night starting at the Irish pub in the Hilton and eventually
ending up at the Australian place (via England, Mexico, Italy, China...)

Jenn
but I didn't get the pecan ball


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Old August 2nd, 2004, 03:12 AM
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"susanjoneslewis" wrote in message
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LOL!
Yes, there is that We had such fun on our trip, we walked miles and
miles of San Antonio, swam, did the hottub thing etc. I'm pretty sure
that I walked as much as I normally do. I just know I ate too damned
much lol, the first night there we went to Texas Land & Cattle Co.


I actually ate dinner there when I was in San Antonio 2 years ago - it was
the best steak I've ever had.

I loved the Riverwalk. My compatriots and I did an "international" pub
crawl one night starting at the Irish pub in the Hilton and eventually
ending up at the Australian place (via England, Mexico, Italy, China...)

Jenn
but I didn't get the pecan ball


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Old August 3rd, 2004, 10:37 AM
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"Dally" wrote in message
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susanjoneslewis wrote:
On my list of things to purchase is..
Fish oil supplements - Any suggestions here welcome, thanks Chris for
your suggestion in an earlier thread.


I just eat fish. One of my favorite breakfasts is smoked salmon on half
of a whole wheat bagel. The Thomaas's 100% whole wheat bagels are
fantastic.


And it's not only salmon (some people don't like it), most fat fish will
do... Mackerel, sardines (fresh and grilled or canned with olive oil), tuna,
herring... If given the choice between the original food and pills that try
to mimick it, I think the original food is a lot better and safer.
Sometimes, the laboratories get it wrong, and isolate a single something as
the "healthy" part when it's actually an association of stuff. If fat fish
has been proven healthy, then it is indeed likely to be trully healthy.
Also, there is less risk to overdose on omega-3 when eating fish (unless
that's all you eat) than there is with eating pills...

The other meals [at McDonald] are the Go Fit Meals (or something like

that):
grilled chicken on a salad, bottled water and they come with a free
pedometer. It's not a very good pedometer, but good enough for my

purposes.

Mmm... You might check the exact nutritionnal value of that salad. There is
one of the salads McDonald sells that manages to have as much fat and
calories as the Big Mac... That's not really a problem for most people,
unless you manage to convince yourself you're eating some light food and
take this as an excuse to eat over stuff along with it...


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Old August 3rd, 2004, 10:37 AM
Lictor
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"Dally" wrote in message
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susanjoneslewis wrote:
On my list of things to purchase is..
Fish oil supplements - Any suggestions here welcome, thanks Chris for
your suggestion in an earlier thread.


I just eat fish. One of my favorite breakfasts is smoked salmon on half
of a whole wheat bagel. The Thomaas's 100% whole wheat bagels are
fantastic.


And it's not only salmon (some people don't like it), most fat fish will
do... Mackerel, sardines (fresh and grilled or canned with olive oil), tuna,
herring... If given the choice between the original food and pills that try
to mimick it, I think the original food is a lot better and safer.
Sometimes, the laboratories get it wrong, and isolate a single something as
the "healthy" part when it's actually an association of stuff. If fat fish
has been proven healthy, then it is indeed likely to be trully healthy.
Also, there is less risk to overdose on omega-3 when eating fish (unless
that's all you eat) than there is with eating pills...

The other meals [at McDonald] are the Go Fit Meals (or something like

that):
grilled chicken on a salad, bottled water and they come with a free
pedometer. It's not a very good pedometer, but good enough for my

purposes.

Mmm... You might check the exact nutritionnal value of that salad. There is
one of the salads McDonald sells that manages to have as much fat and
calories as the Big Mac... That's not really a problem for most people,
unless you manage to convince yourself you're eating some light food and
take this as an excuse to eat over stuff along with it...


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Old August 3rd, 2004, 10:54 AM
Lictor
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"susanjoneslewis" wrote in message
m...
Despite the wedding cake, bbq, beer, wine, breakfasts in hotels, lots of
snacking I did over my wedding "holiday"(about a full week) I managed to
maintain 189. I am really surprised too because I ate alot of things
that were off my plan and never measured/weighed anything.


That's maybe because you really didn't pay much attention to what you ate...
When you're eating unconsciously, your body can do a rather good job at
managing stuff like this.
This happened to me a couple of weeks ago, while I spent a whole week at a
theater festival. So, it was (tasty) festival style food in the afternoon
and evening : Belgian waffles (the ones that are very dense with caramelized
chunks of sugar), French fries, pasta with thick sauce, kebabs, beer,
wine... And at lunch, it was eating with my girlfriend's grandparents, who
tend to confuse feeding people and filling them up. After a while, I did
feel positively fed up, and hunger took a long while to come, so I got down
to two meals a day (lunch and dinner, breakfast just disappeared), not
eating between meals as I usually do (because merely thinking of eating was
nauseating) and skipping dessert and starters most of the time (again, no
room left for dessert, and if I took a starter, not hungry enough for the
main course)... But I still felt like eating a lot. The end result was that
I lost 1 kg during that week. I did eat more than usually, because you use
up a lot of energy at a festival (walking something like 10km a day,
standing up most of the day, forcing your way through a thick crowd...) and
my body reacted to that by making me eat more...
Anyway, the end result is that I lost 1kg on waffles, French fries and beer


Also, a short update on my kiddo and his diabetes. Dallas has been
amazingly responsive to the insulin. It's been tough on him food wise
but he is being very understanding and cooperative with the food
changes/choices he is having to make.


If he is type 1, he is not supposed to have much restriction on food intake
actually. There are two options : set insuline amount and set carb intake or
variable carb intake and variable insulin amount (bolus) to deal with it.
The first is easier to manage, but more frustrating. The second does take
work and practice, but lets you enjoy living closer to a normal person.
Remember that diabete (especially type 1) is *not* a problem with the amount
of carb you eat, it's a problem with producing no or little insulin. A
normal person will eat as much carb as he feels like it, and it will change
greatly from one meal to the other. Then, the pancrea will produce the right
amount of insulin to deal with whatever was eaten - all this with no overall
effect on health. It's possible for a type 1 to learn how to mimick a
pancrea by hand, through teaching and practice. Anyway, that's worth talking
about with your specialist if your kid is suffering from not being able to
eat like the other kids. Or it's possible to control the diabete first,
using diet and constant insulin doses (because it's easier) and then, later,
to learn how to adapt the doses (because it's a more pleasant way of life).
Of course, the matter is different if there is *also* a problem with his
weight.


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Old August 3rd, 2004, 10:54 AM
Lictor
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"susanjoneslewis" wrote in message
m...
Despite the wedding cake, bbq, beer, wine, breakfasts in hotels, lots of
snacking I did over my wedding "holiday"(about a full week) I managed to
maintain 189. I am really surprised too because I ate alot of things
that were off my plan and never measured/weighed anything.


That's maybe because you really didn't pay much attention to what you ate...
When you're eating unconsciously, your body can do a rather good job at
managing stuff like this.
This happened to me a couple of weeks ago, while I spent a whole week at a
theater festival. So, it was (tasty) festival style food in the afternoon
and evening : Belgian waffles (the ones that are very dense with caramelized
chunks of sugar), French fries, pasta with thick sauce, kebabs, beer,
wine... And at lunch, it was eating with my girlfriend's grandparents, who
tend to confuse feeding people and filling them up. After a while, I did
feel positively fed up, and hunger took a long while to come, so I got down
to two meals a day (lunch and dinner, breakfast just disappeared), not
eating between meals as I usually do (because merely thinking of eating was
nauseating) and skipping dessert and starters most of the time (again, no
room left for dessert, and if I took a starter, not hungry enough for the
main course)... But I still felt like eating a lot. The end result was that
I lost 1 kg during that week. I did eat more than usually, because you use
up a lot of energy at a festival (walking something like 10km a day,
standing up most of the day, forcing your way through a thick crowd...) and
my body reacted to that by making me eat more...
Anyway, the end result is that I lost 1kg on waffles, French fries and beer


Also, a short update on my kiddo and his diabetes. Dallas has been
amazingly responsive to the insulin. It's been tough on him food wise
but he is being very understanding and cooperative with the food
changes/choices he is having to make.


If he is type 1, he is not supposed to have much restriction on food intake
actually. There are two options : set insuline amount and set carb intake or
variable carb intake and variable insulin amount (bolus) to deal with it.
The first is easier to manage, but more frustrating. The second does take
work and practice, but lets you enjoy living closer to a normal person.
Remember that diabete (especially type 1) is *not* a problem with the amount
of carb you eat, it's a problem with producing no or little insulin. A
normal person will eat as much carb as he feels like it, and it will change
greatly from one meal to the other. Then, the pancrea will produce the right
amount of insulin to deal with whatever was eaten - all this with no overall
effect on health. It's possible for a type 1 to learn how to mimick a
pancrea by hand, through teaching and practice. Anyway, that's worth talking
about with your specialist if your kid is suffering from not being able to
eat like the other kids. Or it's possible to control the diabete first,
using diet and constant insulin doses (because it's easier) and then, later,
to learn how to adapt the doses (because it's a more pleasant way of life).
Of course, the matter is different if there is *also* a problem with his
weight.


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Old August 3rd, 2004, 02:27 PM
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On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:37:10 +0200, "Lictor"
wrote:

Well, there's a name from the past! How have you been, Lictor?

Chris
262/143/ (145-150)
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Old August 3rd, 2004, 04:09 PM
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Lictor wrote:

"Dally" wrote in message
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The other meals [at McDonald] are
grilled chicken on a salad


Mmm... You might check the exact nutritionnal value of that salad. There is
one of the salads McDonald sells that manages to have as much fat and
calories as the Big Mac... That's not really a problem for most people,
unless you manage to convince yourself you're eating some light food and
take this as an excuse to eat over stuff along with it...


My son was so proud of himself the other day for ordering a salad at
McDonalds. He got the Fiesta Taco salad. Here's a hint: when you cover
a salad with greasy hamburger it's not going to be a good choice.

My daughter prefers the "crispy chicken" salads. Another hint: if the
meat is deep-fried you've got a problem.

But I get the grilled chicken salad (which is what I specified above)
and it's not like it's a secret choice or something, it's right there on
the menu.

I also leave off most or all of the dressing. A good hint for that is
you put a bit of dressing on and then recover it and shake it really
hard. The dressing will coat the salad without using very much.

Dally



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Old August 3rd, 2004, 04:09 PM
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Lictor wrote:

"Dally" wrote in message
...


The other meals [at McDonald] are
grilled chicken on a salad


Mmm... You might check the exact nutritionnal value of that salad. There is
one of the salads McDonald sells that manages to have as much fat and
calories as the Big Mac... That's not really a problem for most people,
unless you manage to convince yourself you're eating some light food and
take this as an excuse to eat over stuff along with it...


My son was so proud of himself the other day for ordering a salad at
McDonalds. He got the Fiesta Taco salad. Here's a hint: when you cover
a salad with greasy hamburger it's not going to be a good choice.

My daughter prefers the "crispy chicken" salads. Another hint: if the
meat is deep-fried you've got a problem.

But I get the grilled chicken salad (which is what I specified above)
and it's not like it's a secret choice or something, it's right there on
the menu.

I also leave off most or all of the dressing. A good hint for that is
you put a bit of dressing on and then recover it and shake it really
hard. The dressing will coat the salad without using very much.

Dally



 




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