Celebrities (male) with "obese" BMI's

"CarbAddict" wrote in message
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According to www.consumerfreedom.com

"Obese" being BMI over 30...

Will Smith, Matt Damon, Hugh Jackman, Denzel Washington, Arnold
Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Bruce Willis, Tom Cruise, Matt
LeBlanc,
Sammy Sosa

FYI, celebrities, like everyone else, fluctuate. Will Smith in "I Robot"
is
not as his physical norm. Tom Cruise in "Mission"Impossible 2" is not at
his norm. I've seen pictures of Arnold before he got back in shape for
Terminator 3 that shocked me. Just try comparing Sylvester Stallone in
"Rocky IV" to the Sylvester Stallone of the "Rocky" era.

Still, for those with body image issues, I thought the information might
help. At the end of the day, look in the mirror. Better yet, take a
picture
and look at that.


doesn't a BMI just take your weight and height to figure it out? Wouldn't
someone that's very muscular, like a bodybuilder have a silly BMI that would
make them seem 'obese' by the numbers?

"Dropped 21" wrote in message
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"CarbAddict" wrote in message
...

According to www.consumerfreedom.com

"Obese" being BMI over 30...

Will Smith, Matt Damon, Hugh Jackman, Denzel Washington, Arnold
Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Bruce Willis, Tom Cruise, Matt
LeBlanc,
Sammy Sosa

FYI, celebrities, like everyone else, fluctuate. Will Smith in "I Robot"
is
not as his physical norm. Tom Cruise in "Mission"Impossible 2" is not at
his norm. I've seen pictures of Arnold before he got back in shape for
Terminator 3 that shocked me. Just try comparing Sylvester Stallone in
"Rocky IV" to the Sylvester Stallone of the "Rocky" era.

Still, for those with body image issues, I thought the information might
help. At the end of the day, look in the mirror. Better yet, take a
picture
and look at that.


doesn't a BMI just take your weight and height to figure it out? Wouldn't
someone that's very muscular, like a bodybuilder have a silly BMI that
would
make them seem 'obese' by the numbers?


Yes, this whole thing is a joke. The people named are not overweight. Even
when Stallone gained some weight to play a cop he still wasn't very fat,
just fat for him. Arnold used to gain weight for body building purposes.
Totally different way of controlling your body.

BMI is meaningless to people like Arnold and many others.
Curt

"Dropped 21" wrote in message et...

doesn't a BMI just take your weight and height to figure it out?

Yes.

Wouldn't
someone that's very muscular, like a bodybuilder have a silly BMI that would
make them seem 'obese' by the numbers?

Yes. But obviously, these people are not obese.

BMI is not a useful index for exceptionally muscular people.

T.

"TdN" wrote in message
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"Dropped 21" wrote in message
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doesn't a BMI just take your weight and height to figure it out?

Yes.

Wouldn't
someone that's very muscular, like a bodybuilder have a silly BMI that
would
make them seem 'obese' by the numbers?

Yes. But obviously, these people are not obese.

that's my point

BMI is not a useful index for exceptionally muscular people.

T.

curt wrote:

"Dropped 21" wrote in message
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"CarbAddict" wrote in message
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According to www.consumerfreedom.com

"Obese" being BMI over 30...

Will Smith, Matt Damon, Hugh Jackman, Denzel Washington, Arnold
Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Bruce Willis, Tom Cruise, Matt

LeBlanc,

Sammy Sosa

FYI, celebrities, like everyone else, fluctuate. Will Smith in "I Robot"

is

not as his physical norm. Tom Cruise in "Mission"Impossible 2" is not at
his norm. I've seen pictures of Arnold before he got back in shape for
Terminator 3 that shocked me. Just try comparing Sylvester Stallone in
"Rocky IV" to the Sylvester Stallone of the "Rocky" era.

Still, for those with body image issues, I thought the information might
help. At the end of the day, look in the mirror. Better yet, take a

picture

and look at that.


doesn't a BMI just take your weight and height to figure it out? Wouldn't
someone that's very muscular, like a bodybuilder have a silly BMI that

would

make them seem 'obese' by the numbers?



Yes, this whole thing is a joke.

No it isn't.

It is a simplified way of determining the body fat level of an average
person. Body builders, athletes, etc., are not average. It is a far
simpler guide to fat ratios than immersion or other rather complicated
methods, and without it, many people would simply refuse to admit that
they had a problem. Unless you have a higher percentage of muscle than
normal, then it will apply to you.

The people named are not overweight. Even
when Stallone gained some weight to play a cop he still wasn't very fat,
just fat for him. Arnold used to gain weight for body building purposes.
Totally different way of controlling your body.

BMI is meaningless to people like Arnold and many others.

But not for the majority of people on these newsgroups, for them it is
good starting point and a permanent reference while they are actively
losing weight.

Regards

David

BMI *is* a joke. Any measurement system worth anything would have to
be relatively accurate to the third standard deviation which would
encompass approx. 98% of the population, the remaining approx. 2%
being well away from the norm. BMI seems to be ridiculously off in a
much larger percentage of subjects than the relatively ideal 2%.

I may be about 3 or 4% above my personally considered "ideal" weight,
which is not even close to being technically obese, but as soon as I
calculate my BMI I am obese ie. over 25. This is nowhere near where it
should be because I have a larger muscle mass than the average. The
kicker is that I may have a bit larger muscle mass than the average
but I am not all that much bigger than the average.

And the various methodologies for calculating BMI may give me a range
of values from as low as 20 to as much as 35 or more. That is way too
wide a range to be useful. Which is it 20 or 35? Too wide a range.

The BMI calculation must take into account as accurate an estimation
of lean body mass, especially muscle mass, as possible, and it fails
to do that in even a basic way.

The best references for losing weight, IMHO, is in this order:

1: a simple tape measure
2: clothing size
3: an accurate scale
4: photos
5: a mirror

TC

"J. David Anderson" wrote in message ...

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Yes, this whole thing is a joke.

No it isn't.

It is a simplified way of determining the body fat level of an average
person. Body builders, athletes, etc., are not average. It is a far
simpler guide to fat ratios than immersion or other rather complicated
methods, and without it, many people would simply refuse to admit that
they had a problem. Unless you have a higher percentage of muscle than
normal, then it will apply to you.

The people named are not overweight. Even
when Stallone gained some weight to play a cop he still wasn't very fat,
just fat for him. Arnold used to gain weight for body building purposes.
Totally different way of controlling your body.

BMI is meaningless to people like Arnold and many others.

But not for the majority of people on these newsgroups, for them it is
good starting point and a permanent reference while they are actively
losing weight.

Regards

David

"J. David Anderson" wrote in message
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curt wrote:

"Dropped 21" wrote in message
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"CarbAddict" wrote in message
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According to www.consumerfreedom.com

"Obese" being BMI over 30...

Will Smith, Matt Damon, Hugh Jackman, Denzel Washington, Arnold
Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Bruce Willis, Tom Cruise, Matt

LeBlanc,

Sammy Sosa

FYI, celebrities, like everyone else, fluctuate. Will Smith in "I
Robot"

is

not as his physical norm. Tom Cruise in "Mission"Impossible 2" is not
at
his norm. I've seen pictures of Arnold before he got back in shape for
Terminator 3 that shocked me. Just try comparing Sylvester Stallone in
"Rocky IV" to the Sylvester Stallone of the "Rocky" era.

Still, for those with body image issues, I thought the information
might
help. At the end of the day, look in the mirror. Better yet, take a

picture

and look at that.


doesn't a BMI just take your weight and height to figure it out?
Wouldn't
someone that's very muscular, like a bodybuilder have a silly BMI that

would

make them seem 'obese' by the numbers?



Yes, this whole thing is a joke.

No it isn't.

It is a simplified way of determining the body fat level of an average
person. Body builders, athletes, etc., are not average. It is a far
simpler guide to fat ratios than immersion or other rather complicated
methods, and without it, many people would simply refuse to admit that
they had a problem. Unless you have a higher percentage of muscle than
normal, then it will apply to you.

The people named are not overweight. Even
when Stallone gained some weight to play a cop he still wasn't very fat,
just fat for him. Arnold used to gain weight for body building
purposes.
Totally different way of controlling your body.

BMI is meaningless to people like Arnold and many others.

But not for the majority of people on these newsgroups, for them it is
good starting point and a permanent reference while they are actively
losing weight.

Regards

David

It is completely inaccurate in every way. My BMI should be between 140-190
being that I am 6'2". What the hell does that tell me? Nothing. It is a
50 pound range for goodness sake. On top of that, what if I was someone who
lifts weights all the time? The numbers would be meaningless. It is much
better to do a fat test like Jackson and Pollack or something.

But hey, if you just like looking at numbers for motivation go for it.

Curt

Well said.

Curt

"tcomeau" wrote in message
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BMI *is* a joke. Any measurement system worth anything would have to
be relatively accurate to the third standard deviation which would
encompass approx. 98% of the population, the remaining approx. 2%
being well away from the norm. BMI seems to be ridiculously off in a
much larger percentage of subjects than the relatively ideal 2%.

I may be about 3 or 4% above my personally considered "ideal" weight,
which is not even close to being technically obese, but as soon as I
calculate my BMI I am obese ie. over 25. This is nowhere near where it
should be because I have a larger muscle mass than the average. The
kicker is that I may have a bit larger muscle mass than the average
but I am not all that much bigger than the average.

And the various methodologies for calculating BMI may give me a range
of values from as low as 20 to as much as 35 or more. That is way too
wide a range to be useful. Which is it 20 or 35? Too wide a range.

The BMI calculation must take into account as accurate an estimation
of lean body mass, especially muscle mass, as possible, and it fails
to do that in even a basic way.

The best references for losing weight, IMHO, is in this order:

1: a simple tape measure
2: clothing size
3: an accurate scale
4: photos
5: a mirror

TC

"J. David Anderson" wrote in message
...

snip


Yes, this whole thing is a joke.

No it isn't.

It is a simplified way of determining the body fat level of an average
person. Body builders, athletes, etc., are not average. It is a far
simpler guide to fat ratios than immersion or other rather complicated
methods, and without it, many people would simply refuse to admit that
they had a problem. Unless you have a higher percentage of muscle than
normal, then it will apply to you.

The people named are not overweight. Even
when Stallone gained some weight to play a cop he still wasn't very
fat,
just fat for him. Arnold used to gain weight for body building
purposes.
Totally different way of controlling your body.

BMI is meaningless to people like Arnold and many others.

But not for the majority of people on these newsgroups, for them it is
good starting point and a permanent reference while they are actively
losing weight.

Regards

David