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Weight loss is just the start!
Dogman quoted:
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/0...ust-the-start/ "In the month since I started, I’ve lost twelve pounds so far. The most remarkable thing for me, though–-and I wasn’t really expecting it–-is that after the first week of being completely grain-free, I have not had a single headache of any kind, and I have been a migraine sufferer since my teens. For the first time in years, I did not refill my prescription for Imitrex. I started Atkins in 1999 using the yellow cover 1993 edition just before the blue cover 1999 edition came out. In it I read his claims that low carbing stops migraines. At the time I'd been getting a debilitating migraine every few months much of my adult life. Many had them far more often so I'd considered myself lucky on that count. I also dismissed his claims as marketing hype. But sure enough since the day I started I've had exactly one debilitating migraine and that was a month of high stress work living out of junk food vending machines. These days my adherence to low carb is very poor so most of my weight is back but the lessons I learned have resulted in several other health improvements that appear permanent. Not getting migraines is one of those improvements. "If stopping wheat had done nothing for me but get rid of the migraines, it would be worth it for that alone. The one migraine I've had since 1999 was during a month I probably managed to stay wheat free even though I ate mostly junk food. Low wheat at least. For me at least the trigger was something other than wheat specifically. I ate a ton of potato chips and fritos that month. Ugh. But my chronic annoying post-nasal drip and constant allergy symptoms have also disappeared; I’ve stopped needing a nap in the middle of the day; I’ve stopped having any food cravings. I have also been able to stop taking omeprazole for GERD–-no digestion problems whatsoever now. My energy levels are much higher throughout the day, and a lot of small daily aches and pains–-especially arthritis in my hands and fingers–-have disappeared." For me the allergy symptoms were mostly related to wheat. So specific my symptoms are triggered by kanut and spelt but not by rye, barly or oats. The cravings for me were a mix of binge being one of my wheat symptoms and lack of cravings from low carb but it took a lot of self experimentation to figure that out. The best known way to reduce arthritis pains is paleo that combines wheat free with mildly low carb. "I’ve read some criticisms from various sources of Dr. Davis’s book, but I am not a scientist and for me, the proof is, as they say, in the milk-free pudding: I’ve never tried any eating plan or diet that has truly made the kind of remarkable improvement in my health and well-being that this one has, and it was reading Wheat Belly that inspired me to give it a try. "To any skeptics I would simply say, it’s a simple enough experiment. Try it for a couple of weeks. See what happens." It does work, but I do note that for me different details worked for different reasons. Atkins has two widely different aspects - using carbs as a tool and an eliminate-and-challenge system. Few follow the instructions to that level so simpler shotgun methods work for more people. |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:54:56 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Sep 27, 2:56*pm, Dogman wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:03:38 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Sep 27, 1:27*pm, Dogman wrote: http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/0...ust-the-start/ "In the month since I started, I ve lost twelve pounds so far. The most remarkable thing for me, though -and I wasn t really expecting it -is that after the first week of being completely grain-free, I'll bet it's not just grain free, but actually that it's a LC diet, And you know this...how, exactly, Dr. Carnac? crickets Well, the very website that you constantly keep boring us with and posting links to, as if it were some great new discovery: http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2011/1...ick-and-dirty/ [...] Sure looks very similar to Atkins, South Beach or many other LC, reduced carb diets. Yes, the Davis diet is low-carb, but the guy whose anecdote we're discussing, says NADA about being on a low-carb diet. He eliminated wheat (all grains, actually), and ate only "whole, fresh foods as much as possible." I don't know exactly what he means by that, and neither do you, Dr. Carnac. (He also implies that's he's tried low-carb diets before, and didn't enjoy these same benefits.) But many others on his web site have simply eliminated wheat. Period. And got similar results. You can read the testimonials for yourself. I've never heard of anyone losing just 12 pounds and ridding themselves of migraines, GERD, post-nasal drip, allergies, arthritis in his hands and fingers, etc. (He also implies that's he's tried low-carb diets before, and didn't enjoy these same benefits.) But you have no idea what wheat may be doing to your blood sugars because you don't TEST. That's right. Just like so many others that I've seen here in the newsgroup the last decade that are not diabetic, I do LC without testing my BG. It has never even been discussed as some kind of requirement, until you showed up. No one talked about low-carb until Dr. Atkins "showed up," eh? And I've never said that it is a requirement. That's just another one of your many straw men. Really, you are to straw men what Saudi Arabia is to oil. You also have no idea what effects wheat may be having on YOU, because you've never known life without wheat. And over time, elevated blood sugars can cause diabetes, elevated LDL-P counts, heart attacks, strokes, fibromyalgia, blindness, etc. As I reflected in a previous post, millions of people with diabetes do NOT know they have diabetes. They, not unlike yourself, prefer to unscrew the engine warning lights in their "cars." Good luck with that! Gee, and I still eat some wheat. *Imagine that! That's your choice, of course, but others may decide to pursue a much different way of eating. A healthier way of eating. I have a couple slices of Pepperidge farms CarbStyle bread, with a whopping 5g of carb per slice and it's unhealthy? That basically depends on what it does to your blood glucose levels, and how often it does it, and for how long you allow it to go on. Since you don't have a clue (in more ways than one, eh?), you have no idea whether it's unhealthy for you or not, which, I understand, is how you prefer it. Healthier according to whom? You? I've answered that question already. "The same guy that says HIV is harmless? The guy that says HIV doesn't cause AIDS? The guy that claims no virus can cause cancer? Given what you think is sound science, why would anyone listen to you? Well, if they want to PREVENT disease, I'm a pretty good guy to listen to. On the other hand, if they'd rather take drugs, get injected on a daily basis, die prematurely, suffer illness, spend a good part of their lives in doctors' offices, etc., "You da man!" Do you have to shill multiple times a *day for the wheat belly book? Do you have to shill multiple times a day for a very, very sloppy way of low-carb eating? Or for BigPharma? Or for ADM? Or for AIDS, Inc? I'm not the one starting post after post here, So what? You can't even make a post without mentioning AIDS. You've effectively been reduced to a one-trick pony. And I get a big kick out of that! many of them about this wheat belly crap. And the best part of that? You can't do a freakin' thing about it! And I'm not the one with the compelling need to have the last say on virtually every topic. Me neither, but I'm willing to respond to questions, etc., and as long as someone has one, I'll take a crack at it. But most importantly, I'm more than willing to keep kicking you in the teeth each time you gnaw on my ankles. I consider it a moral obligation, in fact. Go back and look at who has started most of the posts for the last few months and who ends almost every one. I've started most of them, of course. But then, I can't force anyone to introduce a subject or post information here, so... It didn't used to be like that, until you showed up. Yeah, it was mostly DEAD here. And you probably had a hand in KILLING it. And that's probably what you'd prefer. Well, guess again. Asshole. ......................./´¯/) .....................,/¯../ ..................../..../ ............../´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ .........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\ .........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...') ..........\.................'...../ ...........''...\.......... _.·´ .............\..............( ...............\.............\... -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:04:39 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: [...] So, James, you can take these n-1 experiments as far as you want, and then see what happens to YOU, or you can decide to wait around for the perfect "study." You took a plunge once and went low-carb. It apparently produced dividends for YOU. Which "study" was it that gave you the confidence to try low-carb? There are studies as you very well know. The anecdote is the weakest form of scientific evidence but humans have evolved to consider it to be the strongest form of evidence. Curious, no? The problems with n=1 anecdotes are placebo effects, confounding factors that may not have been measured, false attribution, simple errors, etc. A randomized study with proper controls tends to minimize all of those.- Hide quoted text - And of course the most relevant study regarding diet and wheat would be the one that the anecdotal case above is almost certainly NOT on. That would be the one where you simply eliminate wheat and replace it with similar carbs, eg corn, rice, potato, etc. If that study shows a weight loss, then I'm cool with the term "wheat belly". If it fails to show any significant difference, then I say it's a bogus term because the effect is not unique to wheat. If you look at what Davis actually recommends as a diet, it's actually LC or reduced carb, cutting out most refined carbs, not just wheat. If you read through the testimonials, you'd have seen where many people did *exactly* what you're describing. They eliminated wheat and replaced it with carb-equivalent amounts of corn, rice, etc. (although they didn't always control for GI). Yep, they lost more weight, felt a lot better, and enjoyed many new, and unexpected health benefits. Does everyone enjoy these same benefits? No one knows. PS: No one gives a **** whether you're "cool" with the term "wheat belly" or not. -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:19:55 -0300, James Warren wrote: [...] Yes, carefully controlled experiments are capable of teasing out what effects are caused by what uninfluenced by idiosyncratic individual variations. James, have you found that low-carb "study" yet? The one where they used "carefully controlled experiments [that] teas[ed] out what effects are caused by what uninfluenced by idiosyncratic individual variations" yet? -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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On Sep 27, 4:29*pm, Dogman wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:05:49 -0300, James Warren wrote: [...] There's ZERO downside to performing this experiment on yourself, because wheat doesn't provide you with anything that you can't get from other, HEALTHIER food sources. Whether you choose to test your blood sugars, or LDL-P levels, too, during this period of time, is another matter altogether. The guy in the post above apparently didn't go that far, but he still got rid of his migraines, food cravings, GERD, pain in his hands and fingers, post-nasal drip, allergies, and he got off of some drugs. Quite a reward, I'd say. So, James, you can take these n-1 experiments as far as you want, and then see what happens to YOU, or you can decide to wait around for the perfect "study." You took a plunge once and went low-carb. It apparently produced dividends for YOU. Which "study" was it that gave you the confidence to try low-carb? There are studies as you very well know. Yeah, but which one convinced you to try it? Surely you must have that one on the tip of your tongue, eh? The anecdote is the weakest form of scientific evidence There is nothing scientific about anecdotes. There's also nothing scientific about many (maybe most) "studies." And unless you truly understand the Scientific Method (and most scientists do not, and virtually no layperson does, and many of the writers/designers of these "studies" rely on that), This coming from the guy who claims he's one of the few that understands the "scientific method" and he's used the "scientific method" to figure out that: HIV is harmless HIV isn't the cause of AIDS AIDS is caused by poor diet No virus can cause cancer. Nuff said..... |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 21:36:38 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
wrote: Dogman quoted: http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/0...ust-the-start/ "In the month since I started, I’ve lost twelve pounds so far. The most remarkable thing for me, though–-and I wasn’t really expecting it–-is that after the first week of being completely grain-free, I have not had a single headache of any kind, and I have been a migraine sufferer since my teens. For the first time in years, I did not refill my prescription for Imitrex. I started Atkins in 1999 using the yellow cover 1993 edition just before the blue cover 1999 edition came out. In it I read his claims that low carbing stops migraines. It certainly can. But so can a lot of things: How Patrick Vlaskovits Discovered His Migraines Were Due to Wheat http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/08/...-due-to-wheat/ Which is why n=1 experiments are capable of winnowing out the culprit. Be it wheat, low-carb, or: "The commonest foods causing [migraines] were wheat (78%), orange (65%), eggs (45%), tea and coffee (40% each), chocolate and milk (37%) each), beef (35%), and corn, cane sugar, and yeast (33% each)." Even low levels of magnesium can cause migraines. And, of course, there are probably many other triggers, too. The best known way to reduce arthritis pains is paleo that combines wheat free with mildly low carb. [...] Low-carb paleo, in my opinion, is exactly the way to eat, if overall health is as important to you as weight loss, weight maintenance, etc. -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:45:38 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: [...] The anecdote is the weakest form of scientific evidence There is nothing scientific about anecdotes. There's also nothing scientific about many (maybe most) "studies." And unless you truly understand the Scientific Method (and most scientists do not, and virtually no layperson does, and many of the writers/designers of these "studies" rely on that), This coming from the guy who claims he's one of the few that understands the "scientific method" and he's used the "scientific method" to figure out that: HIV is harmless HIV isn't the cause of AIDS AIDS is caused by poor diet No virus can cause cancer. EXACTLY! Thanks for finally acknowledging it, Trader Boy! Maybe one day, you, too, will "figure it out." I kid! I kid! I kid! ......................./´¯/) .....................,/¯../ ..................../..../ ............../´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ .........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\ .........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...') ..........\.................'...../ ...........''...\.......... _.·´ .............\..............( ...............\.............\... -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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On 27/09/2012 7:35 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:19:55 -0300, James Warren wrote: [...] Yes, carefully controlled experiments are capable of teasing out what effects are caused by what uninfluenced by idiosyncratic individual variations. James, have you found that low-carb "study" yet? The one where they used "carefully controlled experiments [that] teas[ed] out what effects are caused by what uninfluenced by idiosyncratic individual variations" yet? You claim to champion the scientific method yet you hold in high esteem anecdotes and testimonials. Your understanding of the scientific method is suspect. -- -jw |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:41:17 -0300, James Warren
wrote: On 27/09/2012 7:35 PM, Dogman wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:19:55 -0300, James Warren wrote: [...] Yes, carefully controlled experiments are capable of teasing out what effects are caused by what uninfluenced by idiosyncratic individual variations. James, have you found that low-carb "study" yet? The one where they used "carefully controlled experiments [that] teas[ed] out what effects are caused by what uninfluenced by idiosyncratic individual variations" yet? You claim to champion the scientific method yet you hold in high esteem anecdotes and testimonials. Your understanding of the scientific method is suspect. So, in other words, James, you just can't seem to find that low-carb "study" that made you try it, right? The one where they used "carefully controlled experiments [that] teas[ed] out what effects are caused by what uninfluenced by idiosyncratic individual variations" yet? I didn't think so. I also think that speaks volumes about you. Yes, I champion the scientific method, and so should everyone. I also hold all kinds of information in high esteem. No, I don't sit on my hands all day, frozen in time, waiting for "studies" that may or may not ever come along, I use what information I have available to me. Then, just like Sherlock Holmes might do, I deduce. And what I deduce about your latest performance is that you're still a TROLL. Some things never change. So back in the bozo bin you go. Bub bye. -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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