Beach Body

"Rodney Long" wrote in message
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George wrote:

This weight loss article today is worth reading:

http://health.yahoo.com/experts/spor...y-10-step-plan
If you lack the patience or are too closed-minded to read the full
article, here's the most important paragraph:
"Just say no to sugars and sweets. It takes discipline, but there's
no way around this one. Forget all sodas, candies, cakes, and other
processed foods. If it has a "shelf life," leave it on the shelf.
Snack on fresh fruits and vegetables instead. In a pinch, chew
sugarless gum until you can find a healthier "beach body" choice.
Check the sugar content of all beverages before guzzling (this is the
downfall for many) and remember "water water everywhere."
Observe the difference between this, and how WW encourages members
to think of sweets as "treats". Whom to believe? Well, the authors
of this article have no financial interest in anyone following their
recommendations, so you guess.


I'm new to this list
I started to try losing weight 12 months ago. 333 lbs

Today I weighed 100 lbs less than when I started, I have 30 more lbs
to go. I followed no real diet, but my wife has been on weight
watchers on and off for years,, on this time for over a year, she has
lost 10 lbs in that year (well up and down, and has ended up 10 lbs
lighter over 12 months)

I cut out nearly all sweets, and everything with process sugar in it,
maybe once a month, but most of the time not, will I eat something
(one small portion) with sugar,, why do you need to eat anything with
sugar now there is Splenda?

My wife has been following the WW plan, and uses sugary things as
treats, other wise we eat the same things, except I eat more of them
than her.

Do the math. I wish I could get her to.

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Congratulations on your loss!

Well Rodney, congratulations. But you do the math on this. I have lost over 200 pounds with WW to a normal weight. I occasionally eat pretty much every food item, including sugar once in a while. Splenda is a new item, and has been shown to shrink the thymus gland in experimental trials. Why eat that when you can have the occasional moderate serving of something really good.

Lets see, I lost over 200 and have been a normal weight now for almost three years, while eating moderate portions, and mostly healthy foods with the occasional treat. Learned how at the new WW. You lost 100, are not yet at a normal weight, and have eliminated everything with sugar in it (probably impossible unless you never eat out, you poor thing). I suspect you are one of George's sock puppets.

Maybe you should concentrate on suggesting your wife actually follow the WW program as opposed to learning to do math .

Les

I'm new to this list
I started to try losing weight 12 months ago. 333 lbs

Today I weighed 100 lbs less than when I started, I have 30 more lbs to
go. I followed no real diet, but my wife has been on weight watchers on
and off for years,, on this time for over a year, she has lost 10 lbs
in that year (well up and down, and has ended up 10 lbs lighter over 12
months)

I cut out nearly all sweets, and everything with process sugar in it,
maybe once a month, but most of the time not, will I eat something (one
small portion) with sugar,, why do you need to eat anything with sugar
now there is Splenda?

My wife has been following the WW plan, and uses sugary things as
treats, other wise we eat the same things, except I eat more of them
than her.

Do the math. I wish I could get her to.

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Lesanne, this is a brilliant reply. I had a South Beach pizza for lunch. I'm not sure if it was a healthy food but it certainly tasted good and was on a wheat crust.This week I celebrate my 33rd year as a lifetime member of Weight Watchers and as it has improved through the years, so has my health and energy.
Audrey
"lesanne" wrote in message ...
Well Rodney, congratulations. But you do the math on this. I have lost over 200 pounds with WW to a normal weight. I occasionally eat pretty much every food item, including sugar once in a while. Splenda is a new item, and has been shown to shrink the thymus gland in experimental trials. Why eat that when you can have the occasional moderate serving of something really good.

Lets see, I lost over 200 and have been a normal weight now for almost three years, while eating moderate portions, and mostly healthy foods with the occasional treat. Learned how at the new WW. You lost 100, are not yet at a normal weight, and have eliminated everything with sugar in it (probably impossible unless you never eat out, you poor thing). I suspect you are one of George's sock puppets.

Maybe you should concentrate on suggesting your wife actually follow the WW program as opposed to learning to do math .

Les

I'm new to this list
I started to try losing weight 12 months ago. 333 lbs

Today I weighed 100 lbs less than when I started, I have 30 more lbs to
go. I followed no real diet, but my wife has been on weight watchers on
and off for years,, on this time for over a year, she has lost 10 lbs
in that year (well up and down, and has ended up 10 lbs lighter over 12
months)

I cut out nearly all sweets, and everything with process sugar in it,
maybe once a month, but most of the time not, will I eat something (one
small portion) with sugar,, why do you need to eat anything with sugar
now there is Splenda?

My wife has been following the WW plan, and uses sugary things as
treats, other wise we eat the same things, except I eat more of them
than her.

Do the math. I wish I could get her to.

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

lesanne wrote:


Lets see, I lost over 200 and have been a normal weight now for almost
three years,
That's awesome
How many others on here have lost that much and kept it off?

How long did it take you to lose all this weight ?

while eating moderate portions, and mostly healthy foods
with the occasional treat. Learned how at the new WW. You lost 100, are
not yet at a normal weight, and have eliminated everything with sugar in
it (probably impossible unless you never eat out, you poor thing). I
suspect you are one of George's sock puppets.

I don't have a clue who George is, I didn't even know this group existed
before today. My life is an open book, you will get over 5,000 hits on
me on Google.

So your WrONG , on this assumption, Lord forbid you might be wrong on others

I can see anyone who disagrees with you is a fool in your eyes, Guess
what, although WW works for some, it does not work for everyone, I would
bet there are a thousand reasons why, people are different, and so are
their bodies, as well as their minds, and it all boils down not to a
diet, but any person's ability to change the way they think of food.

I know many , many people who have been on, or are on WW , I have to
admit it gets better results than any other program, but those results
are less than 20% of those who join, at least I assume that from the
number of people I know who have used it.

Maybe you should concentrate on suggesting your wife actually follow the
WW program as opposed to learning to do math

According to her she is following it to the letter,, so what does that
mean, it means it's not right for her body. It was right for yours it
would seam. That's wonderful !

I firmly believe a person must NEVER use any food as a form of reward,
there are a lot better things in life to reward yourself with than food.
I used to do it all the time, for 50 years I have been rewarded with
food. That's like rewarding yourself by taking a drug. That's not good
for the recovering drug addict.

In the last year I have not felt I have punished myself for not eating
certain things, I don't feel deprived in any way. What I did is change
my "thinking" about what food is. I put it where it belongs, a necessity
for life, nothing more. I eat anything I want, it's just I have trained
my mind not to want things that are not good for me. You fight a daily
battle, my war is won, it's over. I don't even think about food and what
I'm going to eat. I put certain things off limits, because they have no
value to my health, I sure don't miss them. I follow no diet, I need no
one to motivate me, or inspire me.

So what I have a few more lbs to loose, they are coming off without me
even thinking about it. Does this mean I have nothing to share with
others on this group? For 30 years I was obese. I am an inventor, my
whole life is solving problems, not just duck taping and bailing wiring
them. When I decided to loose weight, I took an analytical look at the
problem, just like any other problem I would solve. I found the source
of it (my mind) then found a way to reprogram my mind that did not cause
me "any" distress, that fixed the problem

Perhaps you need to stop fighting battles, and win the war. Counting
points or calories, and using any food to reward yourself shows your
still in conflict, your working at keeping your weight off, few people
don't break down, and eventually give up the fight. You should be proud
for what you have accomplished, but you know you are one of the few that
can do it, regardless of what you believe, the numbers speak for
themselves, there are few out there like you. You must have extreme will
power, again that is awesome, but what would happen if you lost count,
you stopped keeping a record of what you eat, you just ate anything, any
time you wanted ?

9 months ago I did just that, and have continued to loose weight, 60 lbs
over that 9 months. How many people who stop the WW program have done that ?

WW is the greatest program there is, but it is still a "program" one
that you must stay on for life to keep the weight off, they even tell
you this.

Perhaps I have found another way, without a program. It won't be the
first time, or the last time, I came up with something new, that blew
everything else out of the water. Will it work for everyone ?

HECK NO !

A person has to want to change the way they associate food, and that
"want" has to be sincere, and it must be important to them
..

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Like you said, we're all different. However, this is a *weight watchers*
support group and the people here are working to succeed on their program.
Trolls like George also believe that a 10 lb. per week weight loss is both
healthy and desireable so you can see why anyone here would be suspicious of
anyone jumping on his troll wagon. And yes, he is a troll. A non-WW member
who focuses his limited mental faculties on attacking the WW program and the
people on it who are actually trying to do something about their weight. He
ignores any science that doesn't fit in his narrow view of "the truth" and
develops very unnatural fixations on some members here.

Just because people don't all think like you doesn't make them wrong. I
battled an eating disorder for most of my life, dropped more than half my
body weight on a diet other than WW but am using WW to stop regaining and to
maintain my loss. Your mental shift is just wonderful for *you*. I've made
my own shifts in dealing with eating and food. What works for me wouldn't
work for you but it might for other recovering bulimics.

So we agree that not everyone is right, but coming to a WW group to put down
the program as "not working" with limited evidence in tow really doesn't
score one points.
--
the volleyballchick

"Rodney Long" wrote in message
...
lesanne wrote:


Lets see, I lost over 200 and have been a normal weight now for almost
three years,
That's awesome
How many others on here have lost that much and kept it off?

How long did it take you to lose all this weight ?

while eating moderate portions, and mostly healthy foods with the
occasional treat. Learned how at the new WW. You lost 100, are not yet at
a normal weight, and have eliminated everything with sugar in it
(probably impossible unless you never eat out, you poor thing). I suspect
you are one of George's sock puppets.

I don't have a clue who George is, I didn't even know this group existed
before today. My life is an open book, you will get over 5,000 hits on me
on Google.

So your WrONG , on this assumption, Lord forbid you might be wrong on
others

I can see anyone who disagrees with you is a fool in your eyes, Guess
what, although WW works for some, it does not work for everyone, I would
bet there are a thousand reasons why, people are different, and so are
their bodies, as well as their minds, and it all boils down not to a diet,
but any person's ability to change the way they think of food.

I know many , many people who have been on, or are on WW , I have to admit
it gets better results than any other program, but those results are less
than 20% of those who join, at least I assume that from the number of
people I know who have used it.
Maybe you should concentrate on suggesting your wife actually follow the
WW program as opposed to learning to do math

According to her she is following it to the letter,, so what does that
mean, it means it's not right for her body. It was right for yours it
would seam. That's wonderful !

I firmly believe a person must NEVER use any food as a form of reward,
there are a lot better things in life to reward yourself with than food. I
used to do it all the time, for 50 years I have been rewarded with food.
That's like rewarding yourself by taking a drug. That's not good for the
recovering drug addict.

In the last year I have not felt I have punished myself for not eating
certain things, I don't feel deprived in any way. What I did is change my
"thinking" about what food is. I put it where it belongs, a necessity for
life, nothing more. I eat anything I want, it's just I have trained my
mind not to want things that are not good for me. You fight a daily
battle, my war is won, it's over. I don't even think about food and what
I'm going to eat. I put certain things off limits, because they have no
value to my health, I sure don't miss them. I follow no diet, I need no
one to motivate me, or inspire me.

So what I have a few more lbs to loose, they are coming off without me
even thinking about it. Does this mean I have nothing to share with others
on this group? For 30 years I was obese. I am an inventor, my whole life
is solving problems, not just duck taping and bailing wiring them. When I
decided to loose weight, I took an analytical look at the problem, just
like any other problem I would solve. I found the source of it (my mind)
then found a way to reprogram my mind that did not cause me "any"
distress, that fixed the problem

Perhaps you need to stop fighting battles, and win the war. Counting
points or calories, and using any food to reward yourself shows your still
in conflict, your working at keeping your weight off, few people don't
break down, and eventually give up the fight. You should be proud for what
you have accomplished, but you know you are one of the few that can do it,
regardless of what you believe, the numbers speak for themselves, there
are few out there like you. You must have extreme will power, again that
is awesome, but what would happen if you lost count, you stopped keeping a
record of what you eat, you just ate anything, any time you wanted ?

9 months ago I did just that, and have continued to loose weight, 60 lbs
over that 9 months. How many people who stop the WW program have done that
?

WW is the greatest program there is, but it is still a "program" one that
you must stay on for life to keep the weight off, they even tell you this.

Perhaps I have found another way, without a program. It won't be the first
time, or the last time, I came up with something new, that blew everything
else out of the water. Will it work for everyone ?

HECK NO !

A person has to want to change the way they associate food, and that
"want" has to be sincere, and it must be important to them
.

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Nunya B. wrote:



So we agree that not everyone is right, but coming to a WW group to put down
the program as "not working" with limited evidence in tow really doesn't
score one points.

I did not come here to put down the program as not working,, It is the
best program there is today. I just wished it worked for everyone, it
does not, no program does, or ever will. I came here because my wife
belongs and is active, I eat many of the weight watcher meals, I even
cook them for me, and my wife.

A post was made about sugar, I gave the answer as it has worked for me,
and what I have seen in others on the WW program. I had no idea it would
stir up a hornets nest. I was bashed for not wanting to eat processed
sugar, and told I was a "poor thing" for cheating myself for not doing
it, and it was "implied" that eating sugar does not retard weight
loss, or even cause weight gain, of course this is just not true,, PERIOD !

I realize WW has this "food" reward system in their program. I
personally believe this is the wrong attitude about food, one that would
cause a person to stick with the "program" for the rest of their life,
or blow back up like a balloon. If I was inventing a new product for the
market, one of the requirements that manufactures look for, is repeat
customers. WW has that built in, but I understand that maintenance is
free, if you stay within 3 lbs of your goal, few I would imagine in each
group meet this criteria, for very long, that is. I have a friend that
reached her WW goal three times, she's back in the program again trying
to loose the 30 lbs she put on over the last 6 months, of not going to
the meetings

What if someone could come up with a plan (not a program) that took the
"high" out of the drug ? Without the drug addict going through withdrawal

A few simple steps, and a person would no longer be "controlled" by
food, and neither have to "control" their diet

Do I have such a plan ? No I don't. I have something that worked for
me, it would have to be highly refined and studied before it was a plan
that might work for others. If it worked for just 10%, it would be a
major breakthrough in loosing weight.

WW has the absolute best "program" and diet that is available today, but
it is not perfect, I do not know if it is designed not be be perfect for
a reason (money), or it is just the best anyone can come up with to date
(probably).

I know for a fact, I can't tell my wife to stick to the program, people
resent those they care about telling them they need to loose weight, or
stick to their diet. It does not seam to bother her, or others when
other people "in the program" tell them this, but don't dare let someone
out of it, tell them that.

I'm sure there have been many that have tried many different behavioral
modifications to control food intake, it is probably a multi million
dollar business as well, and is far from being very successful in
actually helping many people for the rest of their life. I'm also sure
it is very expensive, as well as harsh, and far from "painless"

Someday I hope I, or someone else, can take what I have done, and
doing, and be able to apply it to the masses, it just may be a pipe
dream, but my doctor sure wants me to put some effort into making it
happen. He is on the staff of one of the major medical learning
institutions in the world. He thinks my way is awesome (I think he wants
to cash in on it some way :-)

It's just based on getting one's mind "right", and the body takes care
of the rest.

Again I say Weight Watchers is the BEST there currently is, but I know
it could be much better.




--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Just to add my 2 cents...I don't believe I am losing weight because of
WW...I'm losing because I have decided it's time...WW gives me tools to help
achieve my goals...If I'm not really going to try and change my habits WW
won't solve anything...I have spent a lifetime successfully losing
weight..And I have also spent a lifetime gaining it back...WW is no magic
bullet...It seems a rational approach to a very serious problem...WW uses
their money to better research weight loss...I'm able to avail myself to
what they have learned...The cost is really small in the scheme of
things...Most importantly it works for me...Just one mans thoughts...GG
"Doug Lerner" wrote in message
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On 6/6/06 10:10 AM, in article , "Rodney Long"
wrote:

WW has the absolute best "program" and diet that is available today, but
it is not perfect, I do not know if it is designed not be be perfect for
a reason (money), or it is just the best anyone can come up with to date
(probably).

The subject title intrigued me but I thought I'd put my two cents in
here.

I've heard various "conspiracy theories" about it being in WW's best
interests to keep their members fat-and-paying. But that doesn't make
sense
to me. I think it is too subtle a conspiracy to succeed. Plus it would be
impossible to keep secret.

WW would by and far make the most profit by the word-of-mouth of
successful
dieters. There are enough fat people in the U.S. to draw on that they
don't
have to worry about their members succeeding too quickly and losing money
as
a result.

I do think that the WW program is a good one. But I also believe that
everybody needs to tweak things until they find the right combination of
calorie, exercise and psychological tricks that works for them. It
unfortunately is not one size fits all because everybody is different -
psychologically as well as physically.

I'm in Japan where they don't have WW, so I have a self-designed plan. But
it is almost essentially the same as WW.

doug

Doug Lerner wrote:


On 6/6/06 10:10 AM, in article , "Rodney Long"
wrote:


WW has the absolute best "program" and diet that is available today, but
it is not perfect, I do not know if it is designed not be be perfect for
a reason (money), or it is just the best anyone can come up with to date
(probably).


The subject title intrigued me but I thought I'd put my two cents in
here.

I've heard various "conspiracy theories" about it being in WW's best
interests to keep their members fat-and-paying. But that doesn't make sense
to me. I think it is too subtle a conspiracy to succeed. Plus it would be
impossible to keep secret.

I tend to agree with you, but it sure does work to their bottom line, I
don't think it is deliberate, just "looks" fishy :-)

WW would by and far make the most profit by the word-of-mouth of successful
dieters. There are enough fat people in the U.S. to draw on that they don't
have to worry about their members succeeding too quickly and losing money as
a result.

I think everyone knows WW works for those who can stick with it. Even if
it worked 100% of the time, for everyone, when they go to the first
meeting, they would never stop, and they would all reach their goals,
you would be surprised at the number of people who would not go to WW,
it would be a huge percentage. Just like the number of drug addicts, and
alcoholics, that don't seek treatment. I think there are few people who
think , really think hard, and have not tried hard loosing weight, have
not tried WW. I'm sure they don't publish the numbers of first timers
verses the numbers of goal reachers, a guess would be under 2 %. or
those like my wife, who go on and off for years, never reaching their
goal They make up the majority of WW members.

By the way,, you live in Japan, my brother and his wife lost their
weight, and are keeping it off with WW on-line, they have never been to
a meeting, but they were never over 40 lbs over weight. Still it worked
great for them.


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

On 6/6/06 12:56 PM, in article , "Rodney Long"
wrote:

I've heard various "conspiracy theories" about it being in WW's best
interests to keep their members fat-and-paying. But that doesn't make sense
to me. I think it is too subtle a conspiracy to succeed. Plus it would be
impossible to keep secret.

I tend to agree with you, but it sure does work to their bottom line, I
don't think it is deliberate, just "looks" fishy :-)

Bottom line? Was that a pun?

doug

Gary G wrote:

Just to add my 2 cents...I don't believe I am losing weight because of
WW...I'm losing because I have decided it's time...WW gives me tools to help
achieve my goals...If I'm not really going to try and change my habits WW
won't solve anything...I have spent a lifetime successfully losing
weight..And I have also spent a lifetime gaining it back...WW is no magic
bullet...It seems a rational approach to a very serious problem...WW uses
their money to better research weight loss...I'm able to avail myself to
what they have learned...The cost is really small in the scheme of
things...Most importantly it works for me...Just one mans thoughts...GG

I think you have hit the nail very firmly and squarely there. This is
exactly what ALL the WW leaders I've ever met say. It works, but
sometimes WE don't.

WW also acknowledges the yoyo problem and tells folk up front: you can
lose it on ANY diet, but as soon as you stop the diet, you gain it back
- whatever diet you followed, including theirs. It's just that WW try
to get you to do things at a possible and sustainable rate, without
feeling deprived, and with all the support you need not just to lose but
to maintain that loss FOR LIFE. There are a significant number of folk
at my meeting who have lost masses of weight and kept it off for years
(over 100 lbs and for more than 10 years in one case). They come to
meetings every week because they know, they care, they can help others,
and they get the support and encouragement they need to STAY the way
they want to.

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