KimKins or AtSill by Kimmer

Okay, I've searched the net and all I'm finding is Kimkins, Bootcamp Kimkins
and K/E are all basically an Atkins induction or Stillmans with little
variance from the creators?

Why would someone pay $40 for a copy cat diet?

Don't get me wrong Free Enterprise is a wonderful thing, but it's not a
different diet in regards to those two plans.

On Apr 17, 7:03 pm, "2Phat" wrote:
Okay, I've searched the net and all I'm finding is Kimkins, Bootcamp Kimkins
and K/E are all basically an Atkins induction or Stillmans with little
variance from the creators?

Why would someone pay $40 for a copy cat diet?

Don't get me wrong Free Enterprise is a wonderful thing, but it's not a
different diet in regards to those two plans.

My understanding (having not paid the $40 being quite happy with PPLP)
is that it's like Atkins Induction only with low fat/cal restriction.
You also get some motivational nuggets/nagging from the Kimmer. Seems
weird to me, but cheaper than HCG and less extreme in my vocabulary.

Hollywood, Atkins induction is fat free in the original version. Meat and
veggies. He just didn't emphasize 'lean' meats and quantity like Stillman
did/does.

The motivation part is cool, but then again there are free forums, lists,
newsgroups for the same thing.

So far I've lost 1 lbs on AtSill by Kimmer. I have until the 30th for this
little experiment so we shall see.




"Hollywood" wrote in message
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On Apr 17, 7:03 pm, "2Phat" wrote:
Okay, I've searched the net and all I'm finding is Kimkins, Bootcamp
Kimkins
and K/E are all basically an Atkins induction or Stillmans with little
variance from the creators?

Why would someone pay $40 for a copy cat diet?

Don't get me wrong Free Enterprise is a wonderful thing, but it's not a
different diet in regards to those two plans.

My understanding (having not paid the $40 being quite happy with PPLP)
is that it's like Atkins Induction only with low fat/cal restriction.
You also get some motivational nuggets/nagging from the Kimmer. Seems
weird to me, but cheaper than HCG and less extreme in my vocabulary.

2Phat wrote:
:: Hollywood, Atkins induction is fat free in the original version.
:: Meat and veggies. He just didn't emphasize 'lean' meats and
:: quantity like Stillman did/does.

What original version are you referring to?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:20:51 -0400, Roger Zoul
wrote:

2Phat wrote:
:: Hollywood, Atkins induction is fat free in the original version.
:: Meat and veggies. He just didn't emphasize 'lean' meats and
:: quantity like Stillman did/does.

What original version are you referring to?




I thought Atkins was the antithesis of fat free?

--
Bob in CT

Bob in CT wrote:
:: On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:20:51 -0400, Roger Zoul
:: wrote:
::
::: 2Phat wrote:
::::: Hollywood, Atkins induction is fat free in the original version.
::::: Meat and veggies. He just didn't emphasize 'lean' meats and
::::: quantity like Stillman did/does.
:::
::: What original version are you referring to?
:::
:::
:::
::
:: I thought Atkins was the antithesis of fat free?
::

It is.

"2Phat" wrote:

Atkins induction is fat free in the original version. Meat and
veggies. He just didn't emphasize 'lean' meats and quantity like Stillman
did/does.

Have you read any of the Atkins books? In the 1972 version
it says don't avoid fat. In the 1993 and 1999 editions it says
"Be shockingly unafraid of fat" and there's a warning that
combining low fat with low carb will "derail" your loss.

There's also mention that fat has better satiety effect than
protein or carb. I think that means calorie for calorie eating
fat keeps the hunger from coming back longer than either
protein or carbs though he doesn't define his terms well.

Because Atkins is low carb there are no carb cravings while
on it. This is probably the single greatest strength of his
plan. Because Atkins is high fat rather than the commonly
asserted high protein, the time before getting hungry again
is longer so portion control is supposed to be easier.

Consider that on Atkins there isn't supposed to be hunger.
Consider that HGC doesn't seem to reduce hunger (in the
experience of my ex-wife) but it is supposed to keep stalls
from happening. The combination doesn't sound bad as
long as you have a good known maintenance mode ready
to go.

Yeah, I've read Atkins, have been on it and have done tons of research, so
much so I could write my own book.

1st, I did not mean to type Fat Free in reference to Atkins, That was for
Stillman.

Atkins in the 1972 book says use real butter and oils for cooking/eating.
He does emphasis meats and veggies and lists which meats and veggies he
feels are best for induction phase.

It's not until the actual on going weight lose where he you can go crazy
with fat and increase your carbs until you are at your carb level by way of
the stick not turning purple.

HCG is supposed to naturally make you not feel hunger because your body is
getting fuel via the fat that it is burning from your body. Again, was your
wife on 5 shots a week or 1? From what I understand, that does make a huge
difference in the hunger feeling hence why doctors that give 1 shot also
give some prescription Phen or other they of suppressant.

"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message
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"2Phat" wrote:

Atkins induction is fat free in the original version. Meat and
veggies. He just didn't emphasize 'lean' meats and quantity like
Stillman
did/does.

Have you read any of the Atkins books? In the 1972 version
it says don't avoid fat. In the 1993 and 1999 editions it says
"Be shockingly unafraid of fat" and there's a warning that
combining low fat with low carb will "derail" your loss.

There's also mention that fat has better satiety effect than
protein or carb. I think that means calorie for calorie eating
fat keeps the hunger from coming back longer than either
protein or carbs though he doesn't define his terms well.

Because Atkins is low carb there are no carb cravings while
on it. This is probably the single greatest strength of his
plan. Because Atkins is high fat rather than the commonly
asserted high protein, the time before getting hungry again
is longer so portion control is supposed to be easier.

Consider that on Atkins there isn't supposed to be hunger.
Consider that HGC doesn't seem to reduce hunger (in the
experience of my ex-wife) but it is supposed to keep stalls
from happening. The combination doesn't sound bad as
long as you have a good known maintenance mode ready
to go.

I was once band from a board also and then our little thread was shut down!!

I did read about it there and other sites that still had information. Not
bad idea but it's still AtSill by Kimmer to me!


"BlueBrooke" .@. wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:03:04 -0400, "2Phat" wrote:

Okay, I've searched the net and all I'm finding is Kimkins, Bootcamp
Kimkins
and K/E are all basically an Atkins induction or Stillmans with little
variance from the creators?

Why would someone pay $40 for a copy cat diet?

Don't get me wrong Free Enterprise is a wonderful thing, but it's not a
different diet in regards to those two plans.

You don't need to pay $40 -- you can read about it he

http://lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=431338

She started posting to this BBS about her success. Apparently, there
was some kind of problem with other people who didn't like her
method(s), and she thought the admins weren't being fair to her, so
she quit posting there and created her own site to sell her ideas.
This is just what I was able to pick up there before *I* was banned --
LOL!!
--
BlueBrooke
254/236/135 -- 01 Jan 2007

On Apr 18, 11:26 am, "Bob in CT" wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:20:51 -0400, Roger Zoul
wrote:

2Phat wrote:
:: Hollywood, Atkins induction is fat free in the original version.
:: Meat and veggies. He just didn't emphasize 'lean' meats and
:: quantity like Stillman did/does.

What original version are you referring to?

I thought Atkins was the antithesis of fat free?

--
Bob in CT

I thought it was all Bacon and Brie ;-)

Very quickly, from DANDR 02, pp125-125
Some acceptable foods:
Bacon
Duck
Eggs
3-4 oz daily of full-fat, firm, soft, and semi-soft aged cheeses like:
cheddar
cow, sheep and goat cheese (I think water buffalo mozzarella is cool
too, and that's higher fat %age than cow milk)
cream cheese
Gouda
Mozz.
etc

On p127
Butter is good. Ditto Olive Oil.
"You need not remove the skin and fat from meat or fowl.

also:
"I cannot stress strongly enough that trying to do a LOW FAT version
of ATKINS will interfere with fat buring and derail your weight
loss." (emphasis added)

On p129
10-20 Olives
1/2 small avocado
1 oz sour cream
2 oz unsweetened heavy cream (These are all pretty high fat items,
iirc)

Please note: this is squarely in the chapter entitled, "And Away You
Go: The Induction Phase"

I think it's pretty clear that, at least in 02, the Atkins New Diet
Revolution was not what anyone would call low fat in any usual
interpretation of the word. If you ate something like a fat fast as
your usual diet, you might call it low fat, but that's about it.

-Hollywood, always happy to go to the textbook when it's at hand.