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Cholesterol Myths Partial Book Review
Well, I'm part way through "The Cholesterol Myths : Exposing the Fallacy
that Saturated Fat and Cholesterol Cause Heart Disease," a book by Uffe Ravnskov, MD, PhD: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...336255-1990442 As a former firm believer in low fat and even Pritikin, I've come full circle and this book really points out the lack of "science" behind the CHD-diet link. I'll post a complete review once I've read the entire book. However, just based on the portion of the book I've read so far, I would highly recommend that if you're on statins or plan on taking statins, that you read this book before you do. -- Bob M remove ".x" to reply |
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"Bob M" wrote: Well, I'm part way through "The Cholesterol Myths : Exposing the Fallacy that Saturated Fat and Cholesterol Cause Heart Disease," a book by Uffe Ravnskov, MD, PhD: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS.../sr=2-1/ref=pd _bbs_b_2_1/002-7336255-1990442 As a former firm believer in low fat and even Pritikin, I've come full circle and this book really points out the lack of "science" behind the CHD-diet link. I'll post a complete review once I've read the entire book. However, just based on the portion of the book I've read so far, I would highly recommend that if you're on statins or plan on taking statins, that you read this book before you do. I take Vanachol... It's working and there are no side effects. ;-) My Doc' knew better than to offer me statins. lol -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: In article , "Bob M" wrote: Well, I'm part way through "The Cholesterol Myths : Exposing the Fallacy that Saturated Fat and Cholesterol Cause Heart Disease," a book by Uffe Ravnskov, MD, PhD: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS.../sr=2-1/ref=pd _bbs_b_2_1/002-7336255-1990442 As a former firm believer in low fat and even Pritikin, I've come full circle and this book really points out the lack of "science" behind the CHD-diet link. I'll post a complete review once I've read the entire book. However, just based on the portion of the book I've read so far, I would highly recommend that if you're on statins or plan on taking statins, that you read this book before you do. I take Vanachol... It's working and there are no side effects. ;-) My Doc' knew better than to offer me statins. lol -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson The problem is that cholesterol has no bearing whatsoever to heart disease. Many people with heart disease never showed any problems with cholesterol levels and many people with cholesterol "problems" never show any signs of heart disease. There exists no real science that shows that cholesterol problems equate to heart disease. If cholesterol actually had a bearing on heart disease, most every one with cholesterol "problems" would have heart disease and most everyone with heart disease would have shown some cholesterol problem. Of course, that is barring congenital heart defects and other physiological abnomalities, etc. You are treating an illusion with an illusion-treating drug. It serves no purpose other than to make money for the pharmaceutical company. It is costing you your money and your health. The drug, as with most pharmaceutical concoctions, has nasty side effects. And it is not doing any good whatsoever. TC |
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Ignoramus28164 wrote: I own that book. I read it and found it fascinating and very reality based. However, it is somewhat outdated. Recently, many trials were conducted and statins were found to actually reduce mortality, at least among some subsectionf of population. Ravnskov's point about lack of dose response may be valid, but statins do have a helpful effect on mortality, via mechanisms possibly not related to cholesterol. Mostly bull**** studies funded by the pharmaceutical companies. I also must disclose that our family friend is a very sophisticated heart surgeon. His opinion on Ravnskov's ideas is that they are bull****. Whether he is right or not, time will tell. If Ravnskov is right, your friend is out of work. Of course he's going to say it's bs. My 81 year old grandma refused to take a recommended statin, and I fully supported her decision. She is a former doctor. My 79 year old wife's aunt is taking lipitor, and it is making her feel like ****. Life is very complex. i No, it is very simple. Statins are crap. Your grandma is smarter than you and your wife's aunt is misguided. TC |
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:08:17 GMT, Ignoramus28164
wrote: I own that book. I read it and found it fascinating and very reality based. However, it is somewhat outdated. Recently, many trials were conducted and statins were found to actually reduce mortality, at least among some subsectionf of population. Ravnskov's point about lack of dose response may be valid, but statins do have a helpful effect on mortality, via mechanisms possibly not related to cholesterol. I would look at http://www.thincs.org/. They (including Ravnskov) discuss these trials. While these trials do seem to reduce mortality from CHD, the all cause mortality (from non-violent sources) does not change. In other words, more cancer is caused by these drugs than is solved by CHD. Also, the side effects of these drugs can be brutal. Plus, if high cholesterol isn't bad for you, why take these drugs? I also must disclose that our family friend is a very sophisticated heart surgeon. His opinion on Ravnskov's ideas is that they are bull****. Whether he is right or not, time will tell. Time will tell, and I'm betting that your surgeon friend is wrong. My 81 year old grandma refused to take a recommended statin, and I fully supported her decision. She is a former doctor. My 79 year old wife's aunt is taking lipitor, and it is making her feel like ****. Life is very complex. i I agree with you. I think that CHD is complex and probably caused by a variety of factors, including stress, exercise, insulin and blood sugar, inflammation, and possibly more. But the drugs have shown no real, overall benefit. My mother is also taking them, and they turned her into a freaking zombie. I would hazard a guess that inflammation is more important than anything else. -- Bob M remove ".x" to reply |
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Ignoramus28164 wrote: I own that book. I read it and found it fascinating and very reality based. However, it is somewhat outdated. Recently, many trials were conducted and statins were found to actually reduce mortality, at least among some subsectionf of population. Ravnskov's point about lack of dose response may be valid, but statins do have a helpful effect on mortality, via mechanisms possibly not related to cholesterol. I also must disclose that our family friend is a very sophisticated heart surgeon. His opinion on Ravnskov's ideas is that they are bull****. Whether he is right or not, time will tell. My 81 year old grandma refused to take a recommended statin, and I fully supported her decision. She is a former doctor. My 79 year old wife's aunt is taking lipitor, and it is making her feel like ****. Life is very complex. i Google "Vanachol". It's not a statin. It's more of a nutritional supplement, but it's by prescription only. It's working for me over time, (takes about 90 days for accumulated effects) and it's raising my HDL which Statins do not do. :-) No side effects....... -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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Ignoramus28164 wrote: On 7 Jul 2005 14:18:16 -0700, wrote: Ignoramus28164 wrote: I own that book. I read it and found it fascinating and very reality based. However, it is somewhat outdated. Recently, many trials were conducted and statins were found to actually reduce mortality, at least among some subsectionf of population. Ravnskov's point about lack of dose response may be valid, but statins do have a helpful effect on mortality, via mechanisms possibly not related to cholesterol. Mostly bull**** studies funded by the pharmaceutical companies. Well, are you suggesting that they faked their data? They routinely bury studies that come up negative. They pick and choose the data they submit to the FDA and they have their own statisticians spin the data as much as possible. I also must disclose that our family friend is a very sophisticated heart surgeon. His opinion on Ravnskov's ideas is that they are bull****. Whether he is right or not, time will tell. If Ravnskov is right, your friend is out of work. Of course he's going to say it's bs. Why, he performs surgeries, I doubt that anything related to acceptance of what Ravnskov says would impact his business much. If Ravnskov is right, your friend will lose all the heart by-pass work that comes his way. He will be stuck dealing with congenital defects only. My 81 year old grandma refused to take a recommended statin, and I fully supported her decision. She is a former doctor. My 79 year old wife's aunt is taking lipitor, and it is making her feel like ****. Life is very complex. i No, it is very simple. Statins are crap. Your grandma is smarter than you and your wife's aunt is misguided. My wife's aunt is definitely misguided. -- 223/174.3/180 But your grandma is a genius. Listen to her. TC |
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Ignoramus28164 wrote:
I own that book. I read it and found it fascinating and very reality based. However, it is somewhat outdated. Recently, many trials were conducted and statins were found to actually reduce mortality, at least among some subsectionf of population. Ravnskov's point about lack of dose response may be valid, but statins do have a helpful effect on mortality, via mechanisms possibly not related to cholesterol. I also must disclose that our family friend is a very sophisticated heart surgeon. His opinion on Ravnskov's ideas is that they are bull****. Whether he is right or not, time will tell. My 81 year old grandma refused to take a recommended statin, and I fully supported her decision. She is a former doctor. My 79 year old wife's aunt is taking lipitor, and it is making her feel like ****. A lot of the cardiologists at our hospital are now prescribing Vytorin, a combination statin and non-statin, supposedly with less side effects. They seem to be enthusiastic about it's long-term success. Marsha/Ohio |
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