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Old September 17th, 2004, 02:50 PM
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:16:09 -0400, Roger Zoul
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David wrote:
:: Ignoramus474 wrote:
::
::: Actually, I have been eating around 60 or so carbs per day (a WAG),
::: for 2 months, and would be delighted to take some IQ test to show
::: that my brain function has not become any more impaired than it was
::: at the beginning. I know what my IQ normally works out to, so, it
::: would be interesting to compare.
:::
::: As for the muscle function, I do 50 pushups and 12 pullups per set
::: every day (2 sets of pushups and 3 sets of pullups). If anything,
::: pushups became a bit easier on LC.
::
:: Honeslty, I think you are dishonoring yourself and doing your body a
:: disservice by eating low carb.

Nonsense.



How the heck does one "dishonor oneself" by eating? I've been eating low
carb for a while now, and I have no problems lifting weights or hard bike
riding. I will up my carbs at times (especially on weeks where I ride my
bike one day, lift weights including squats the next day, then ride
60+ miles the third day), but the amount of carbs you "need" is
dramatically different than the common conception.

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Old September 17th, 2004, 02:50 PM
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:16:09 -0400, Roger Zoul
wrote:

David wrote:
:: Ignoramus474 wrote:
::
::: Actually, I have been eating around 60 or so carbs per day (a WAG),
::: for 2 months, and would be delighted to take some IQ test to show
::: that my brain function has not become any more impaired than it was
::: at the beginning. I know what my IQ normally works out to, so, it
::: would be interesting to compare.
:::
::: As for the muscle function, I do 50 pushups and 12 pullups per set
::: every day (2 sets of pushups and 3 sets of pullups). If anything,
::: pushups became a bit easier on LC.
::
:: Honeslty, I think you are dishonoring yourself and doing your body a
:: disservice by eating low carb.

Nonsense.



How the heck does one "dishonor oneself" by eating? I've been eating low
carb for a while now, and I have no problems lifting weights or hard bike
riding. I will up my carbs at times (especially on weeks where I ride my
bike one day, lift weights including squats the next day, then ride
60+ miles the third day), but the amount of carbs you "need" is
dramatically different than the common conception.

--
Bob in CT
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Old September 17th, 2004, 02:59 PM
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Ignoramus26859 wrote in message ...
In article , PlacidBull wrote:
Here is an interesting article ... and interesting recipes too

http://www.fitnessandfreebies.com/lowcarb/exercise.html


thanks, good article and in line with my experience.


The article says moderate exercise. "Keep in mind however, you should avoid
high-intensity and high-duration exercise..." For me, running is *always*
high enough intensity that I need glycogen to help fuel it. Walking is
different. For each person the intensity of running will be different; even
slow jogging can be muscularly intense for some. I tried low-carb for 6
months and had to cut my exercise workload a great deal. For me it simply
did not work. Some people's physiology may be better adapted to a stricter
low-carb lifestyle.

I found I did not really lose weight on low-carb because I would eat too
many fat calories. Calorie control is the way to go - ask Lance armstrong.
This year I've been eating a not-so-low carb diet, but it does have the
shape of a TKD diet, particularly for the simple carbs that I enjoy - and my
exercise is better than ever. Where is LYLE McDONALD (author of CKD) when
these discussions come up?

- Tony




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Old September 17th, 2004, 02:59 PM
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Ignoramus474 wrote in message ...
.....

Well, it would be a good experiment to show the people who think that
running half marathon on LC is impossible, that they are mistaken.

......
I agree and, probably, for healthy athletes, this diet is not
optimal. But, LC does not preclude long distance running, as some
might think.


Few think it is impossible. In fact, there are many who claim that a
restricted-carb diet is optimal for their long distance events. An Atkins
spokesman, Dr. Stuart Trager, does the Ironman Triathlon on restricted
carbs. You also might be interested in Stu Mittleman who ran 1000 miles in
11 days and set a then record. He's the author of the book "Slow Burn",
which has some interesting stuff in it.

I contend that while this approach might work for them, it does not work for
the majority. There is further research that needs to be done in this area
of course. The fat-burning system can be trained just like any other bodily
system. While general results can be found, each person, or type of person
(e.g. mesomorph, endomorph, ectomorph, blood type A, B, O, AB etc.) will
probably have differences in metabolism.

- Tony




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Old September 17th, 2004, 02:59 PM
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Ignoramus26859 wrote in message ...
In article , PlacidBull wrote:
Here is an interesting article ... and interesting recipes too

http://www.fitnessandfreebies.com/lowcarb/exercise.html


thanks, good article and in line with my experience.


The article says moderate exercise. "Keep in mind however, you should avoid
high-intensity and high-duration exercise..." For me, running is *always*
high enough intensity that I need glycogen to help fuel it. Walking is
different. For each person the intensity of running will be different; even
slow jogging can be muscularly intense for some. I tried low-carb for 6
months and had to cut my exercise workload a great deal. For me it simply
did not work. Some people's physiology may be better adapted to a stricter
low-carb lifestyle.

I found I did not really lose weight on low-carb because I would eat too
many fat calories. Calorie control is the way to go - ask Lance armstrong.
This year I've been eating a not-so-low carb diet, but it does have the
shape of a TKD diet, particularly for the simple carbs that I enjoy - and my
exercise is better than ever. Where is LYLE McDONALD (author of CKD) when
these discussions come up?

- Tony




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Old September 17th, 2004, 03:18 PM
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Tony wrote:
:: Ignoramus26859 wrote in message ...
::: In article , PlacidBull
::: wrote:
:::: Here is an interesting article ... and interesting recipes too
::::
:::: http://www.fitnessandfreebies.com/lowcarb/exercise.html
:::
::: thanks, good article and in line with my experience.
:::
::
:: The article says moderate exercise. "Keep in mind however, you
:: should avoid high-intensity and high-duration exercise..." For me,
:: running is *always* high enough intensity that I need glycogen to
:: help fuel it.

That's the way it is....the same is generally true for me when I do longish
bike rides, then end up being both high intensity and high duration for me.

:: Walking is different. For each person the intensity
:: of running will be different; even slow jogging can be muscularly
:: intense for some.

Right. When I do HIIT walking, it too can be intense.

:: I tried low-carb for 6 months and had to cut my
:: exercise workload a great deal. For me it simply did not work.

If you do a lot of high intensity exercise, you may have problems. TKD is an
option.

:: Some people's physiology may be better adapted to a stricter
:: low-carb lifestyle.

That may indeed be true...

::
:: I found I did not really lose weight on low-carb because I would eat
:: too many fat calories.

Limit calories.

:: Calorie control is the way to go - ask Lance
:: armstrong.

Low carb makes it easier to control calories for many people.

:: This year I've been eating a not-so-low carb diet, but it
:: does have the shape of a TKD diet, particularly for the simple carbs
:: that I enjoy - and my exercise is better than ever.

There are a good number of us here who use either a TKD or a CKD.

:: Where is LYLE
:: McDONALD (author of CKD) when these discussions come up?

He hangs out over in MWF. However, we don't need him for the simple stuff
like this.



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Old September 17th, 2004, 03:18 PM
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Tony wrote:
:: Ignoramus26859 wrote in message ...
::: In article , PlacidBull
::: wrote:
:::: Here is an interesting article ... and interesting recipes too
::::
:::: http://www.fitnessandfreebies.com/lowcarb/exercise.html
:::
::: thanks, good article and in line with my experience.
:::
::
:: The article says moderate exercise. "Keep in mind however, you
:: should avoid high-intensity and high-duration exercise..." For me,
:: running is *always* high enough intensity that I need glycogen to
:: help fuel it.

That's the way it is....the same is generally true for me when I do longish
bike rides, then end up being both high intensity and high duration for me.

:: Walking is different. For each person the intensity
:: of running will be different; even slow jogging can be muscularly
:: intense for some.

Right. When I do HIIT walking, it too can be intense.

:: I tried low-carb for 6 months and had to cut my
:: exercise workload a great deal. For me it simply did not work.

If you do a lot of high intensity exercise, you may have problems. TKD is an
option.

:: Some people's physiology may be better adapted to a stricter
:: low-carb lifestyle.

That may indeed be true...

::
:: I found I did not really lose weight on low-carb because I would eat
:: too many fat calories.

Limit calories.

:: Calorie control is the way to go - ask Lance
:: armstrong.

Low carb makes it easier to control calories for many people.

:: This year I've been eating a not-so-low carb diet, but it
:: does have the shape of a TKD diet, particularly for the simple carbs
:: that I enjoy - and my exercise is better than ever.

There are a good number of us here who use either a TKD or a CKD.

:: Where is LYLE
:: McDONALD (author of CKD) when these discussions come up?

He hangs out over in MWF. However, we don't need him for the simple stuff
like this.



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Old September 17th, 2004, 03:35 PM
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Ignoramus474 wrote in message ...
In article q5C2d.1$9l1.0@trndny09, Tony wrote:
Ignoramus26859 wrote in message ...
In article , PlacidBull wrote:
Here is an interesting article ... and interesting recipes too

http://www.fitnessandfreebies.com/lowcarb/exercise.html

thanks, good article and in line with my experience.


The article says moderate exercise. "Keep in mind however, you should

avoid
high-intensity and high-duration exercise..." For me, running is

*always*
high enough intensity that I need glycogen to help fuel it. Walking is


I used to need glycogen to run also!

I would run and by the end of half an hour run I would be extremely
tired.

Now, though, I run for 1 hour 35 minutes and I was not tired, my legs
were "as good as new".

Again, I ran at low intensity.

I think that it was a fascinating experiment (for me anyway). I will
definitely run a 1/2 marathon, unfortunately, registration for it is
now closed. My boss is going to run it, as well as the full marathon
(which is also closed for new registrations).

different. For each person the intensity of running will be
different; even slow jogging can be muscularly intense for some. I
tried low-carb for 6 months and had to cut my exercise workload a
great deal. For me it simply did not work. Some people's
physiology may be better adapted to a stricter low-carb lifestyle.


Thank you for sharing your relevant personal experience. Maybe I am
somehow more adaptable to LC, it is hard to say, or maybe you like to
run faster than I do. I always liked fat.

I found I did not really lose weight on low-carb because I would eat
too many fat calories.


I do not lose weight either, fortunately, as I do not need to lose
weight. But I am eating "to my heart's content", which is extremely
nice to me compared to being somewhat hungry on a moderate carb,
limited calorie diet. I am greatly hoping that this diet will work for
me in the long run. The people on the paleo email mailing list who hd
been on this for a long time are all very happy and relaxed about
their eating, which is great. (there i san obvious selection bias in
that sample of people, but still, it is nice)


Yes actually I learned alot from trying the low-carb, and I leaned toward
the paleo side of it as well. As a result my diet is more balanced and more
satisfying now too.


Calorie control is the way to go - ask Lance armstrong.
This year I've been eating a not-so-low carb diet, but it does have the
shape of a TKD diet, particularly for the simple carbs that I enjoy - and

my
exercise is better than ever. Where is LYLE McDONALD (author of CKD)

when
these discussions come up?


Lyle hangs out in misc.fitness.weights...


Yes but Lyle also pokes his head in here sometimes...

- Tony



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Old September 17th, 2004, 03:35 PM
Tony
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Ignoramus474 wrote in message ...
In article q5C2d.1$9l1.0@trndny09, Tony wrote:
Ignoramus26859 wrote in message ...
In article , PlacidBull wrote:
Here is an interesting article ... and interesting recipes too

http://www.fitnessandfreebies.com/lowcarb/exercise.html

thanks, good article and in line with my experience.


The article says moderate exercise. "Keep in mind however, you should

avoid
high-intensity and high-duration exercise..." For me, running is

*always*
high enough intensity that I need glycogen to help fuel it. Walking is


I used to need glycogen to run also!

I would run and by the end of half an hour run I would be extremely
tired.

Now, though, I run for 1 hour 35 minutes and I was not tired, my legs
were "as good as new".

Again, I ran at low intensity.

I think that it was a fascinating experiment (for me anyway). I will
definitely run a 1/2 marathon, unfortunately, registration for it is
now closed. My boss is going to run it, as well as the full marathon
(which is also closed for new registrations).

different. For each person the intensity of running will be
different; even slow jogging can be muscularly intense for some. I
tried low-carb for 6 months and had to cut my exercise workload a
great deal. For me it simply did not work. Some people's
physiology may be better adapted to a stricter low-carb lifestyle.


Thank you for sharing your relevant personal experience. Maybe I am
somehow more adaptable to LC, it is hard to say, or maybe you like to
run faster than I do. I always liked fat.

I found I did not really lose weight on low-carb because I would eat
too many fat calories.


I do not lose weight either, fortunately, as I do not need to lose
weight. But I am eating "to my heart's content", which is extremely
nice to me compared to being somewhat hungry on a moderate carb,
limited calorie diet. I am greatly hoping that this diet will work for
me in the long run. The people on the paleo email mailing list who hd
been on this for a long time are all very happy and relaxed about
their eating, which is great. (there i san obvious selection bias in
that sample of people, but still, it is nice)


Yes actually I learned alot from trying the low-carb, and I leaned toward
the paleo side of it as well. As a result my diet is more balanced and more
satisfying now too.


Calorie control is the way to go - ask Lance armstrong.
This year I've been eating a not-so-low carb diet, but it does have the
shape of a TKD diet, particularly for the simple carbs that I enjoy - and

my
exercise is better than ever. Where is LYLE McDONALD (author of CKD)

when
these discussions come up?


Lyle hangs out in misc.fitness.weights...


Yes but Lyle also pokes his head in here sometimes...

- Tony



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Old September 17th, 2004, 03:43 PM
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Ignoramus474 wrote in message ...
.....
carbs. You also might be interested in Stu Mittleman who ran 1000 miles

in
11 days and set a then record. He's the author of the book "Slow Burn",
which has some interesting stuff in it.


Would that book be worth buying?


Yes, though all of Stu's approach does not work for me I learned alot from
his book.

- Tony




 




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