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Old April 14th, 2011, 06:09 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Roger Zoul
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From the abstract:

"High-fat diet (HFD) and inflammation are key contributors to insulin
resistance and type 2 diabetes (T2D)."

http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/vao...l/ni.2022.html

http://news.unchealthcare.org/news/2011/april/ting
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Old April 15th, 2011, 01:05 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Apr 14, 1:09*pm, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
From the abstract:

"High-fat diet (HFD) and inflammation are key contributors to insulin
resistance and type 2 diabetes (T2D)."

http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/vao...l/ni.2022.html

http://news.unchealthcare.org/news/2011/april/ting


Uh oh..... That doesn't sound good.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 05:05 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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Omelet wrote:
" wrote:
"Roger Zoul" wrote:


"High-fat diet (HFD) and inflammation are key contributors to insulin
resistance and type 2 diabetes (T2D)."

http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/vao...l/ni.2022.html


Uh oh..... That doesn't sound good.


Does this mean that the Atkins Fat Fast can kill you ...


Unsupervised ketosis is counterindicated for anyone diagnosed with
diabetes. It's too hard to tell the beginning of ketoacidosis from just
burning fat for fuel. What for others is a guarantee that it's benign
for diabetics requires careful supervision. And the more extreme the
ketotic plan the worse it is. Supervised diabetic low carbers tend to
do more mild plans.

Think about the goal of the Fat Fast - It is to force the hormone levels
so the body withdraws more fat from storage than it can burn for fuel
and you end up losing more on the Fat Fast than you could by eating zero
calories.

Think about the events of starting ketoacidosis - The body starts
withdrawing more fat from storage than it can burn as fuel. Then the
process goes out of control.

The Fat Fast is a deliberate attempt to force what happens in
ketoacidosis. An extremely bad idea for a diabetic. Yet it's just some
random unpleasant extremist diet for others.

... even tho' it's the
fastest way to dump weight and force the body to burn fat as fuel?


No it's not. Induction is a two week plan to get into ketosis and it's
at 20 carb grams (net or total depending on how old the edition of your
book is). The Fat Fast starts with the two weeks of Induction to make
it less painful and then starts the plan of 1000 calories 90% of which
is fat. You're not supposed to start on the Fat Fast.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 09:16 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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Susan wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Unsupervised ketosis is counterindicated for anyone diagnosed with
diabetes.


Not for type 2, 95% of all diabetics.


Dr Atkins was more conservative on the topic than you are.

Just to be clear -

You say that it's okay for a type 2 diabetic on insulin shots to start a
ketotic diet without consulting their physician and not under their
physican's supervision to adjust their insulin dosage if needed? That
they can just start and go with it completely on their own based only on
the directions in their book of choice? I wonder if you missed the
word "unsupervised" in my statement.

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Old April 15th, 2011, 09:26 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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In article ,
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Susan wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Unsupervised ketosis is counterindicated for anyone diagnosed with
diabetes.


Not for type 2, 95% of all diabetics.


Dr Atkins was more conservative on the topic than you are.

Just to be clear -

You say that it's okay for a type 2 diabetic on insulin shots to start a
ketotic diet without consulting their physician and not under their
physican's supervision to adjust their insulin dosage if needed? That
they can just start and go with it completely on their own based only on
the directions in their book of choice? I wonder if you missed the
word "unsupervised" in my statement.


I suspect that the majority of type 2 diabetics are NIDDM -- don't shoot
insulin. I think Susan meant to write "not for NIDDMs."

PP
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of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
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Old April 17th, 2011, 05:52 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Default Sat Fat and Diabetes (study)

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

Omelet recommended these groups to me because of Susan's expertise. It's
sad to see her ignored by the righteous.


I have learned much from Susan and Doug. And I thank them both for it.
:-) I know they have some disagreements, but both are valuable and do
their research well.

BTW, our all time favorite mashed potato substitute, pureed cauliflower,
can be made even tastier with the addition of some sweet potato.

The last two times I made them, I used one whole large head of
Cauliflower and the smallest sweet potato I could find and pureed them
together after steaming. I peeled the sweet potato raw prior to cooking
it which made it easier to handle.

My old Braun wand blender finally died and when I went to replace it, I
accidently grabbed the Oster brand instead. I am glad I did! It purees
so much better and the whipped mix came out smooth as silk with no
grittiness or lumps.

I'd love to see this group get going again!


You bet, babe. That and comity ;O)

A pleasure as always.
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- Billy

Dept. of Defense budget: $663.8 billion
Dept. of Health and Human Services budget: $78.4 billion


Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.
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Old April 17th, 2011, 11:37 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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Billy wrote:

"Unsupervised ketosis is counterindicated for anyone diagnosed with
diabetes.", may have been a faux pas


It was Doctor Atkin's stance. He wanted any low carbing diabetic to
work closely with a doctor informed on the topic of lowcarb. Anyone can
feel free to look it up. Look for diabetes in the index of any edition
of his book.

Certain folks love Atkins references, until I do one. The reality is
folks love to disagree more than they like to cite Atkins. Whatever.
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Old April 18th, 2011, 04:22 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Marengo wrote:

I do remember back then that there was a lot of
confusion among people who didn't understand the difference between
benign dietary ketosis and ketoacidosis.


None of which applies to wanting diabetics to low carb under medical
supervision. Take a glance at the index of any edition of the Atkins
books. If anyone would like to quote Atkins on diabetics starting to
low carb on their own with no input from a physician feel free to post
the quote. Dig through not just all of his books but any interview he
ever did.

Now she's gone to accusing Dr Atkins of not being able to tell benign
dietary ketosis from ketoacidosis, and me the same for citing him on
the topic. She's done back to lunatic ravings again.

Every so often I clean out my kill file and reduce it to a very small
size based on number of cross posts, groups cross posted to and such.
I tend to clean out nearly all entries for individuals. Susan made it
back in quickly this time. I keep hoping she's less crazy than Chung
because her knowledge is so extensive. Sigh.
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Old April 20th, 2011, 04:32 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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"High-fat diet (HFD) and inflammation are key contributors to insulin
resistance and type 2 diabetes (T2D)."


Per Wiki, human milk is 62% fat, 32% carbs and 5% protein by calories.
Another source says that of the fat, 41% is saturated.
Would this be considered a high-fat diet?
Does T2D start with breast milk???
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Old April 20th, 2011, 05:40 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Default Sat Fat and Diabetes (study)

In article
,
jay wrote:

"High-fat diet (HFD) and inflammation are key contributors to insulin
resistance and type 2 diabetes (T2D)."


Per Wiki, human milk is 62% fat, 32% carbs and 5% protein by calories.
Another source says that of the fat, 41% is saturated.
Would this be considered a high-fat diet?
Does T2D start with breast milk???


It's a gateway drug.
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- Billy

Dept. of Defense budget: $663.8 billion
Dept. of Health and Human Services budget: $78.4 billion


Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.
- Dwight D. Eisenhower, 16 April 1953
 




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