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Old August 8th, 2011, 11:35 PM posted to sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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In article ,
outsider wrote:

On 8/8/2011 12:26 PM, Billy wrote:

In ,
wrote:



http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/10/4/l_104_05.html
Reading a chronological history, biologists traced the HIV-resistance
gene mutation back about 700 years. That was the time at which the Black
Death -- bubonic plague -- swept like a deadly scythe through Europe,
killing one-third of the population. Then, as now, there were
individuals who survived the lethal organism, perhaps because it could
not enter their white blood cells. The areas that were hardest hit by
the Black Plague match those where the gene for HIV resistance is the
most common today.


Correlation is not causation.

That's what the tobacco companies used to say, but it sure pin-pointed
where to look for the answer.



Natural universe, perhaps not, but in scientific modeling (premise,
hypothesis, conclusion, new hypothesis based on the synthesis of new
information, ad infinitum) it is about all we have except for the
occasional paradigm shifting revelations grated to the few. What you
offer are interesting, unconnected, misleading factoids that prove
nothing.


We agree to disagree.

You agree that
"All that's left is to select our victims [of DDT]. So far we've
selected the human being."
- outsider

That is an opinion with no supporting evidence.

But do let me know if/when you've actually read
something worthwhile about Chaos (internet web pages of the same value
as printed material are few) and have some understanding of the topic.
It is a growth area for most folks and I think your take on what you've
published here will probably change.


Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to
support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written
on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page
number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that?
Hummm?
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis
  #12  
Old August 9th, 2011, 02:58 AM posted to sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On 8/8/2011 5:35 PM, Billy wrote:

Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to
support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written
on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page
number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that?
Hummm?


Why don't you just **** off. You have no science to back up your
ideas, they come out of a political play book. So go play....
  #13  
Old August 9th, 2011, 06:32 AM posted to sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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In article ,
outsider wrote:

On 8/8/2011 5:35 PM, Billy wrote:

Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to
support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written
on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page
number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that?
Hummm?


Why don't you just **** off. You have no science to back up your
ideas, they come out of a political play book. So go play....


At least they had citations, which one would never expect from a "poser"
like yourself. I think you just showed who you are ;O)
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis
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Old August 9th, 2011, 09:34 AM posted to sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On 9/08/11 3:32 PM, Billy wrote:
In ,
wrote:

On 8/8/2011 5:35 PM, Billy wrote:

Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to
support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written
on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page
number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that?
Hummm?


Why don't you just **** off. You have no science to back up your
ideas, they come out of a political play book. So go play....


At least they had citations, which one would never expect from a "poser"
like yourself. I think you just showed who you are ;O)


I second outsider. He has reasoned arguments that involve both science and
logic, you have nothing but rhetoric.
  #15  
Old August 9th, 2011, 09:42 AM posted to sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On 8/9/2011 12:32 AM, Billy wrote:
In ,
wrote:

On 8/8/2011 5:35 PM, Billy wrote:

Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to
support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written
on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page
number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that?
Hummm?


Why don't you just **** off. You have no science to back up your
ideas, they come out of a political play book. So go play....


At least they had citations,


I gave you one citation. One little citation, and it was obviously
too much for you to handle.

which one would never expect from a "poser"
like yourself. I think you just showed who you are ;O)


Just as I said, you're just playing with yourself. The book I
recommended would *introduce* you the math behind the various
pieces you were trying to cobble together into an irrational
result. Had you at least read the amazon.com reviews you
might have gotten an inkling what it was all about.

It's the horse and water thing all over again. You showed me
all right. Thanks!
  #16  
Old August 9th, 2011, 12:32 PM posted to sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On 8/8/2011 6:58 PM, outsider wrote:
On 8/8/2011 5:35 PM, Billy wrote:

Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to
support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written
on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page
number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that?
Hummm?


Why don't you just **** off.


Hey!
Where do you think you are?
Back home talking to your mother?

  #17  
Old August 9th, 2011, 12:33 PM posted to sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On 8/9/2011 1:34 AM, Psycho-Deli™ wrote:
On 9/08/11 3:32 PM, Billy wrote:
In ,
wrote:

On 8/8/2011 5:35 PM, Billy wrote:

Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to
support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even
written
on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page
number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that?
Hummm?

Why don't you just **** off. You have no science to back up your
ideas, they come out of a political play book. So go play....


At least they had citations, which one would never expect from a "poser"
like yourself. I think you just showed who you are ;O)


I second outsider.


With a name like Psycho-Deli™ isn't there a law that says you have to?


  #18  
Old August 9th, 2011, 07:29 PM posted to sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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In article ,
Psycho-Deli wrote:

On 9/08/11 3:32 PM, Billy wrote:
In ,
wrote:

On 8/8/2011 5:35 PM, Billy wrote:

Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to
support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written
on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page
number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that?
Hummm?

Why don't you just **** off. You have no science to back up your
ideas, they come out of a political play book. So go play....


At least they had citations, which one would never expect from a "poser"
like yourself. I think you just showed who you are ;O)


I second outsider. He has reasoned arguments that involve both science and
logic, you have nothing but rhetoric.


"out" said (I shall paraphase) that we were killing people because we
had outlawed DDT. We didn't, but it's use has been limited in order to
keep it useful by denying mosquitos the chance to become resistant to it.

I gave the citation of
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...o-combat-malar
ia

You can go to the site right now, and see if you can refute the article.

Perhaps, I muddied the water some by writing that "Exposure to the
bubonic plague (or previously to small pox) seems to have imbued some
with resistance to HIV." I should have written "selected for resistance
to disease, which includes HIV".

This was in response to "out"'s cavalierly stating, "Ans (sic) since the
mosquito develops a resistance to the effects of DT, for example, so
will the penguins, and other lifeforms, over time." This is plausible,
but totally inhumane.

In any event it is a side issue, to the side issue that "out" injected
into the post. The point that I was trying to make was that Carson and
the environmental movement were‹and continue to be‹criticized by some
conservatives and libertarians as well as chemical industry trade
groups, who argue that restrictions placed on pesticides, specifically
DDT, have caused tens of millions of needless deaths and hampered
agriculture (and, implicitly, that Carson bears responsibility for
inciting such restrictions). This criticism is at its base corporate
propaganda. The reason that DDT is restricted is because of its effect
on the environment, including humans. To maintain the effectiveness of
DDT, and to fight mosquitos, Integrated Pest Management has been used.
In some case, like Central America, mosquito populations can be
controlled without DDT. In other cases, like Africa, DDT is a weapon in
the arsenal of health workers.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...o-combat-malar
ia
Mexico, the rest of Central America and parts of Africa have combated
malaria without DDT by using alternative methods, such as controlling
stagnant ponds where mosquitoes breed and using bed nets treated with
pyrethroid insecticides. But such efforts have been less successful in
other places, particularly South Africa.

"We have a whole host of mosquito species and more than one parasite.
The biology of the vectors is different and there is therefore no
one-method-fits-all strategy, as is the case in Central America,"
Bouwman said.

The panel convened in March, 2008, at Alma College in Michigan, near a
Superfund site where DDT was produced at a chemical plant. Their goal
was "to address the current and legacy implications of DDT production
and use," according to their report.

Acknowledging that some areas remain dependent on DDT, they recommended
monitoring of the spraying to ensure that usage guidelines are followed
and improved application techniques.

"It is definitely not a matter of letting people die from malaria," de
Jager said.
---

That is my response to "out" and his "conspiracy" model of DDT use.

Look it up.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...o-combat-malar
ia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_...nvironmentalis
m_and_DDT_restrictions

The only citation that "out" gave was
http://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Making-S.../0143113453/re
f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312810518&sr=8-1
a book on chaos theory!

I asked for what the book says on the subject (HIV/bubonic plague), and
the relevant page numbers, which "out was unwilling, or unable to
provide. It appears that the was sending me on a "snipe-hunt" so that he
wouldn't have to defend his ignorant remarks.

"out", bite me.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis
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Old August 9th, 2011, 11:56 PM posted to sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On 8/9/2011 1:29 PM, Billy wrote:

Billy, you're completely out of control.

Stop.

Pull your head out of your ass.

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/206063-lg.jpg

Think about the problem for a while, after reading the
book I urged you to, and replace your politically
regimented opinions with some science, especially with
the math that will help you to see matters in the
correct light.

If you cannot grab hold of some sanity, don't even bother
to reply to me in the future. I stopped reading your
replies in any depth because there's nothing but
propaganda in them.

Good luck with the sanity thing.
  #20  
Old August 10th, 2011, 01:27 AM posted to sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes,alt.support.diet.low-carb
Billy[_4_]
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In article ,
outsider wrote:

On 8/9/2011 1:29 PM, Billy wrote:

The point that I was trying to make was that Carson and
the environmental movement were‹and continue to be‹criticized by some
conservatives and libertarians as well as chemical industry trade
groups, who argue that restrictions placed on pesticides, specifically
DDT, have caused tens of millions of needless deaths and hampered
agriculture (and, implicitly, that Carson bears responsibility for
inciting such restrictions). This criticism is at its base corporate
propaganda. The reason that DDT is restricted is because of its effect
on the environment, including humans. To maintain the effectiveness of
DDT, and to fight mosquitos, Integrated Pest Management has been used.
In some case, like Central America, mosquito populations can be
controlled without DDT. In other cases, like Africa, DDT is a weapon in
the arsenal of health workers.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...o-combat-malar
ia
Mexico, the rest of Central America and parts of Africa have combated
malaria without DDT by using alternative methods, such as controlling
stagnant ponds where mosquitoes breed and using bed nets treated with
pyrethroid insecticides. But such efforts have been less successful in
other places, particularly South Africa.

"We have a whole host of mosquito species and more than one parasite.
The biology of the vectors is different and there is therefore no
one-method-fits-all strategy, as is the case in Central America,"
Bouwman said.

The panel convened in March, 2008, at Alma College in Michigan, near a
Superfund site where DDT was produced at a chemical plant. Their goal
was "to address the current and legacy implications of DDT production
and use," according to their report.

Acknowledging that some areas remain dependent on DDT, they recommended
monitoring of the spraying to ensure that usage guidelines are followed
and improved application techniques.

"It is definitely not a matter of letting people die from malaria," de
Jager said.
---

That is my response to "out" and his "conspiracy" model of DDT use.

Look it up.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...o-combat-malar
ia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_...nvironmentalis
m_and_DDT_restrictions

The only citation that "out" gave was
http://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Making-S.../0143113453/re
f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312810518&sr=8-1
a book on chaos theory!

I asked for what the book says on the subject (HIV/bubonic plague), and
the relevant page numbers, which "out was unwilling, or unable to
provide. It appears that the was sending me on a "snipe-hunt" so that he
wouldn't have to defend his ignorant remarks.

And your infantile response is:


Billy, you're completely out of control.

Stop.

Pull your head out of your ass.

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/206063-lg.jpg

Didn't realize you were into "sexting". Appropriate self portrait,
though.


Think about the problem for a while, after reading the
book I urged you to, and replace your politically
regimented opinions with some science, especially with
the math that will help you to see matters in the
correct light.

If you cannot grab hold of some sanity, don't even bother
to reply to me in the future. I stopped reading your
replies in any depth because there's nothing but
propaganda in them.

Good luck with the sanity thing.


All you have to do, "out", is make a statement, and then give a
supporting reference. Or, give me the statement, and the page number
where I can verify it. Is that really so hard for you, or is it that
somewhere in that dormant organ between your ears, you already know that
you made an indefensible statement?

You know that you must look really lame to the others in
sci.med.nutrition, alt.support.diabetes, alt.support.diet.low-carb by
now.

Until then, "out", bite me!
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis
 




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