NYNY - Fred, Oct 8th

Well, I have not been journaling for at least 6 weeks and, again,
using my fairly standard menu routine, been maintaining with those ups
and downs.

But I think journaling and calling attention to my snacks might be a
good idea. And maybe just journaling snacks would be a good
subroutine to follow.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:31:24 +1000, "JulieB"
wrote:

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:47:38 +1000, "JulieB"
wrote:

Still under goal which is a good thing. I think lifetime maintenance is
all
about bouncing around a bit. Surely there's no one out there who stays
exactly the same weight every single day?

I agree. I guess I don't like the TWO pound up and then down but
maybe that is where things are. Looking over my Maintenance Weights
I see since July 9th:

158.2
161
159.2
160.2
159.4
161.8
159.4
161.4

Yup, two pounds up and down seems to be where you're at. From my
perspective, it's only a kilo so I wouldn't be too worried about it. The
joys of the metric system

I still journal haphazardly, and if I really want to get down to my
personal
goal I'm going to have to focus on it a bit more. It's a great tool to
have
for the times you feel like you're starting to lose that control.

I think that's why I decided to start again- refocus and maintain
control.

And it works too. The weeks I don't journal I gain, the weeks I do I lose.
I hope at some point I'm going to get to the stage of "the weeks I don't
journal I stay the same", but that's going to take some practise I feel.

Unfortunately only time will make you feel better. It is too early for that
to happen for you. Give it another 6 months before things start to get back
to normal. One of my chunks of weight gain came after losing my daughter and
father within 6 months of each other. Keep journaling and while you may need
the comfort food now and again (its allowed and needed) you will at least be
able to keep an eye on how much food you consume. Find some low point foods
that comfort you. That will help keep the points down. Hang in there.
--
Laura

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Thanks. I am trying to flow with, well, the flow. There are
days.....

Fred

On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:35:33 -0500, Prairie Roots
wrote:

In my mind there's no question that grieving the death of your dad is
a major factor in your urges to snack and your need for comfort food.
Among the signs of grief, overeating and weight gain or undereating
and weight loss appear high on the list.

So lighten up on the stick, Fred. Life has already dealt you a strong
blow...

Best, Prairie Roots

On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:51:08 -0700, Fred
wrote:

I think I can attribute some of it to
comfort foods to overcome mourning.

thats a good attitude fred keep it up i agree with u 100%. it's better to be
healthy then to look good

angie
"Fred" wrote in message
...
I actually do remember that. And somewhere I, also, have a doctor's
note but really did not have any problems getting to the goal weight
of WW and even below it by 4 or so pounds. So, yes, I just need to
get my head right.

Actually, at work, yesterday two folks said that I had gotten over
"looking gaunt." I attribute this to some distribution but more to
them getting use to the new, thinner me. And yes, looking better is
nice but FEELING BETTER is even BETTER. My convertible pants arrived
yesterday and they looked pretty good at the waist and I was happy.
I'm not sure that they look that good otherwise - a bit utilitarian
pockets and a bit long. I will have to weigh the leg portion and see
if it really makes a difference. They are a thin nylon and seem light
in any event.

BUT I will keep a positive mindset. It is important to be healthy and
be able to hike and ski with my friends.

Fred

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:55:22 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I may also learn that holding this weight may be too artificial but I
really do not think that I can justify that outlook. I was able to
get here without that much of a struggle (as long as my exercise
routines keep me going) so attempting to convince myself that I'm
starving really would not be convincing. So I just need to find
substitutes for stress or comfort eating.

THIS is the exact thinking that always preceded a regain for me. When I
would begin to go up, my appetite would expand with it. I would suggest
holding your weight for the 2 years that the weight research people say
it
takes to make a new weight permanent, and evaluate how you feel then.

Remember how I wanted to quit before getting to goal? But I never did
really stop losing while I was on program? But how my head kept saying I
needed a doctors note? The problem for Me is, that is not a normal BMI
for
my height. So what difference is it between say, 170 where I wanted to
stop
really badly, and 175, and then........

You Look So Fine, you really do, in your pictures. Watch out for that
thinking.

Healthy is the bottom line. One of the reasons I am where I am, is that a
lower calorie, lower fat diet is one of the protective factors people can
use to avert Alzheimers disease. First hand, I can tell you, everyone talks
about how hard it is on the caregiver, but the Person who has it lives in
fear a great deal of the time. And sure, they don't Know what is going on
in the same way that I know it is going on, but it is not a happy life, or
even a comfortable life. And no way out, this side of the grave. Not to
mention what weight has done to my cousin. Type 2 diabetes, such pain in
her legs she cannot walk, heaving herself from her motorized wheelchair to
the bathroom, to the bed. I used to think, when I was young and strong and
heavy, that I would be okay, and then when it got bad I would die. Doesn't
happen like that in my family. They go nuts and live a life in a strange
land full of terrors, or their body goes partly whoopo, and the brain lives
on in great shape to watch the suffering. No Thanks. Goal weight is very
good, but the diet and exercise is insurance against a lot of things besides
being an unattractive weight.


"Fred" wrote in message
...
I actually do remember that. And somewhere I, also, have a doctor's
note but really did not have any problems getting to the goal weight
of WW and even below it by 4 or so pounds. So, yes, I just need to
get my head right.

Actually, at work, yesterday two folks said that I had gotten over
"looking gaunt." I attribute this to some distribution but more to
them getting use to the new, thinner me. And yes, looking better is
nice but FEELING BETTER is even BETTER. My convertible pants arrived
yesterday and they looked pretty good at the waist and I was happy.
I'm not sure that they look that good otherwise - a bit utilitarian
pockets and a bit long. I will have to weigh the leg portion and see
if it really makes a difference. They are a thin nylon and seem light
in any event.

BUT I will keep a positive mindset. It is important to be healthy and
be able to hike and ski with my friends.

Fred

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:55:22 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I may also learn that holding this weight may be too artificial but I
really do not think that I can justify that outlook. I was able to
get here without that much of a struggle (as long as my exercise
routines keep me going) so attempting to convince myself that I'm
starving really would not be convincing. So I just need to find
substitutes for stress or comfort eating.

THIS is the exact thinking that always preceded a regain for me. When I
would begin to go up, my appetite would expand with it. I would suggest
holding your weight for the 2 years that the weight research people say
it
takes to make a new weight permanent, and evaluate how you feel then.

Remember how I wanted to quit before getting to goal? But I never did
really stop losing while I was on program? But how my head kept saying I
needed a doctors note? The problem for Me is, that is not a normal BMI
for
my height. So what difference is it between say, 170 where I wanted to
stop
really badly, and 175, and then........

You Look So Fine, you really do, in your pictures. Watch out for that
thinking.

I think once the diet and exercise levels are healthy, As long as we are not
going UP, then probably the body itself will find a comfortable spot. My
average weight chart is still drifting down a bit (.7) this week. It has
done since I made goal, .2, .4, .2, the same, .6, .2, and this week .7. I
am eating enough for good health. And enough to be satisfied, with some
treats tossed in there. If I began going the other way, I would definately
journal for a time.


"Fred" wrote in message
...
I am back to formal journaling, at least, for the moment. I can see
that losing down to 155 and being able to maintain that means even a
bit more exercise or even fewer snacking calories (points) and that
may not really be possible. I think snacking is part of the variety
and hestitate to call snacking a reward since maybe food should not be
a reward but a laptop each week would be a bankrupting reward
mechanishm (G)

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:57:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Just for the heck, I am not keeping a formal journal like I was. I use
my
daily weights. If I am, like I am this morning 159.5, then I eat
moderately
of whatever I want to eat. If I see anything like 162 I eat like I did
while I was Actively trying to lose, until I see 159 something again. I
am
thinking I will save that last 5 pounds down into the 150's for January
when
all the amateurs are out.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I don't know - 35 years - keeping a Journal when I'm 90 just does not
seem to be i the cards (G)

Actually, I guess if I look at things since I'm been on Maintenance,
I'm probably doing okay without the Journal. What I call my main
meals, all day, follow a general routine or rotation. Cereal and
Milk, a sandwich or chicken teriaki for lunch and dinner of a potato
or kasha and veggies and either a 4 ounce meat or larger fish portion.
An occasional egg for breakfast. Additional food if I'm planning on a
hike or bike or ski trip.

The work day snacks are generally a fruit or fruits or pretzels. The
home snacks are where I tend to stray.

Restaurants are kept pretty standard, too, with an occasional splurge.

But I am also considering dropping the weight by about 5 pounds and
that might require a bit more effort.

I may also learn that holding this weight may be too artificial but I
really do not think that I can justify that outlook. I was able to
get here without that much of a struggle (as long as my exercise
routines keep me going) so attempting to convince myself that I'm
starving really would not be convincing. So I just need to find
substitutes for stress or comfort eating.

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:13:41 -0700, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

My leader will be at goal for 35 years this upcoming May. She still
continues to journal and believes that is what keeps her on track and
keeps
her 110 lbs off.

Debbie

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
UP an even 2.0 but still under WW goal but over NYNY goal.

I decided to restart Journaling today.

161.4

Fred
219.2/161.4/164.0 (goal)
Start WW: Oct 29, 2002

Thanks.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:58:48 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

Unfortunately only time will make you feel better. It is too early for that
to happen for you. Give it another 6 months before things start to get back
to normal. One of my chunks of weight gain came after losing my daughter and
father within 6 months of each other. Keep journaling and while you may need
the comfort food now and again (its allowed and needed) you will at least be
able to keep an eye on how much food you consume. Find some low point foods
that comfort you. That will help keep the points down. Hang in there.

I hope you do manage to beat both the odds and those ills. I watched
my mom with the Parkinson's and it was not a good way to fail.

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:33:45 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Healthy is the bottom line. One of the reasons I am where I am, is that a
lower calorie, lower fat diet is one of the protective factors people can
use to avert Alzheimers disease. First hand, I can tell you, everyone talks
about how hard it is on the caregiver, but the Person who has it lives in
fear a great deal of the time. And sure, they don't Know what is going on
in the same way that I know it is going on, but it is not a happy life, or
even a comfortable life. And no way out, this side of the grave. Not to
mention what weight has done to my cousin. Type 2 diabetes, such pain in
her legs she cannot walk, heaving herself from her motorized wheelchair to
the bathroom, to the bed. I used to think, when I was young and strong and
heavy, that I would be okay, and then when it got bad I would die. Doesn't
happen like that in my family. They go nuts and live a life in a strange
land full of terrors, or their body goes partly whoopo, and the brain lives
on in great shape to watch the suffering. No Thanks. Goal weight is very
good, but the diet and exercise is insurance against a lot of things besides
being an unattractive weight.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I actually do remember that. And somewhere I, also, have a doctor's
note but really did not have any problems getting to the goal weight
of WW and even below it by 4 or so pounds. So, yes, I just need to
get my head right.

Actually, at work, yesterday two folks said that I had gotten over
"looking gaunt." I attribute this to some distribution but more to
them getting use to the new, thinner me. And yes, looking better is
nice but FEELING BETTER is even BETTER. My convertible pants arrived
yesterday and they looked pretty good at the waist and I was happy.
I'm not sure that they look that good otherwise - a bit utilitarian
pockets and a bit long. I will have to weigh the leg portion and see
if it really makes a difference. They are a thin nylon and seem light
in any event.

BUT I will keep a positive mindset. It is important to be healthy and
be able to hike and ski with my friends.

Fred

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:55:22 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I may also learn that holding this weight may be too artificial but I
really do not think that I can justify that outlook. I was able to
get here without that much of a struggle (as long as my exercise
routines keep me going) so attempting to convince myself that I'm
starving really would not be convincing. So I just need to find
substitutes for stress or comfort eating.

THIS is the exact thinking that always preceded a regain for me. When I
would begin to go up, my appetite would expand with it. I would suggest
holding your weight for the 2 years that the weight research people say
it
takes to make a new weight permanent, and evaluate how you feel then.

Remember how I wanted to quit before getting to goal? But I never did
really stop losing while I was on program? But how my head kept saying I
needed a doctors note? The problem for Me is, that is not a normal BMI
for
my height. So what difference is it between say, 170 where I wanted to
stop
really badly, and 175, and then........

You Look So Fine, you really do, in your pictures. Watch out for that
thinking.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:57:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I am
thinking I will save that last 5 pounds down into the 150's for January when
all the amateurs are out.

We have that to look forward to. Watching all the new years
resolutions come and stay a few days/weeks and go again. It's very sad
to see people try to lose weight and not have the right mindset so
they fail, and it re-inforces their feeling that they can't lose
weight.

On a lighter note there will be some cheap fitness gear about, both in
the supermarkets and by february in the 'for sale' ads.

Ray
--
rmnsuk
overall - 273/203/182
swwc - 205/203/192

amen

"Fred" wrote in message
...
I hope you do manage to beat both the odds and those ills. I watched
my mom with the Parkinson's and it was not a good way to fail.

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:33:45 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Healthy is the bottom line. One of the reasons I am where I am, is that
a
lower calorie, lower fat diet is one of the protective factors people can
use to avert Alzheimers disease. First hand, I can tell you, everyone
talks
about how hard it is on the caregiver, but the Person who has it lives in
fear a great deal of the time. And sure, they don't Know what is going
on
in the same way that I know it is going on, but it is not a happy life,
or
even a comfortable life. And no way out, this side of the grave. Not
to
mention what weight has done to my cousin. Type 2 diabetes, such pain in
her legs she cannot walk, heaving herself from her motorized wheelchair
to
the bathroom, to the bed. I used to think, when I was young and strong
and
heavy, that I would be okay, and then when it got bad I would die.
Doesn't
happen like that in my family. They go nuts and live a life in a strange
land full of terrors, or their body goes partly whoopo, and the brain
lives
on in great shape to watch the suffering. No Thanks. Goal weight is
very
good, but the diet and exercise is insurance against a lot of things
besides
being an unattractive weight.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I actually do remember that. And somewhere I, also, have a doctor's
note but really did not have any problems getting to the goal weight
of WW and even below it by 4 or so pounds. So, yes, I just need to
get my head right.

Actually, at work, yesterday two folks said that I had gotten over
"looking gaunt." I attribute this to some distribution but more to
them getting use to the new, thinner me. And yes, looking better is
nice but FEELING BETTER is even BETTER. My convertible pants arrived
yesterday and they looked pretty good at the waist and I was happy.
I'm not sure that they look that good otherwise - a bit utilitarian
pockets and a bit long. I will have to weigh the leg portion and see
if it really makes a difference. They are a thin nylon and seem light
in any event.

BUT I will keep a positive mindset. It is important to be healthy and
be able to hike and ski with my friends.

Fred

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:55:22 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I may also learn that holding this weight may be too artificial but
I
really do not think that I can justify that outlook. I was able to
get here without that much of a struggle (as long as my exercise
routines keep me going) so attempting to convince myself that I'm
starving really would not be convincing. So I just need to find
substitutes for stress or comfort eating.

THIS is the exact thinking that always preceded a regain for me. When
I
would begin to go up, my appetite would expand with it. I would
suggest
holding your weight for the 2 years that the weight research people
say
it
takes to make a new weight permanent, and evaluate how you feel then.

Remember how I wanted to quit before getting to goal? But I never did
really stop losing while I was on program? But how my head kept
saying I
needed a doctors note? The problem for Me is, that is not a normal
BMI
for
my height. So what difference is it between say, 170 where I wanted
to
stop
really badly, and 175, and then........

You Look So Fine, you really do, in your pictures. Watch out for that
thinking.

yeah! fitness deals


"ray miller" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:57:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I am
thinking I will save that last 5 pounds down into the 150's for January
when
all the amateurs are out.

We have that to look forward to. Watching all the new years
resolutions come and stay a few days/weeks and go again. It's very sad
to see people try to lose weight and not have the right mindset so
they fail, and it re-inforces their feeling that they can't lose
weight.

On a lighter note there will be some cheap fitness gear about, both in
the supermarkets and by february in the 'for sale' ads.

Ray
--
rmnsuk
overall - 273/203/182
swwc - 205/203/192