weight-loss / fitness software, fitday et al

Mu wrote:
:: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:03:36 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: wrote:
::
::: Dude...this "degree of extreme accuracy" is in your mind. Just
::: measure portions and account for foods you eat.
::
:: Rog, you're a convert......to reality.
::
:: Is this where you bow to the Chung-Mu throne of the 2 pound diet?

Absolutely.........NOT. Calorie counting works, if you do it.

Tim wrote:
:: All the software that I have seen that offer these features sell
:: them as amazing features. Ours software is so smart it will adjust
:: your diet based on your metabolism they say. With our software, you
:: can compare calories eaten vs calories burned so that you can adjust
:: your diet and achieve success they say.
::

Tisk, tisk, tisk....

::
::
:: You don't think this ass holes are irresponsible *******s? You said
:: it yourself; an intelligent person can use this data intelligently
:: and benefit from it. Unfortunately 99% of the people using diet
:: software are clueless about all of the realities regarding this
:: information.
::

So? That just means people are clueless. What else is new.

::
::
:: The bottom line is that you have to ** listen to what your body
:: tells you** and not what a piece of crap software is telling you.
:: Gazillions of people remain trimed and in shape throughout their
:: lives because they listen to their bodies not a stupid chart. That
:: should be the goal of the software.

Some people simply have talent that enables them to remain trim and in shape
more easily than others. Not everyone can be Mozart, you know.

::
:: Companies that capitalize on the ignorance of people regarding
:: nutrition have no ethics these companies should make it very obvious
:: to people that these numbers are just for entertainment purposes.

The numbers can be used as guides, not absolute "truths". If I learn that I
can maintain my weight on 2000 kcal/day my some measure, then what does it
matter if I'm really eating 2200? If I then decrease to 1500 kcal/day, then
I'll start losing weight. You can claim that doesn't work all you want,
but I've done it many times and so have others. I've also found that I can
eat 2000 kcals/day and do 500 kcals of exercise, and lose weight. Now, that
might not work out to be some exact equation that says calories out
calories in, thus I get X amount of weight loss, but it works. The end
result is that I lose weight. And if I want to lose faster, just eat less,
exercise more, or a combintation of both. It works, if you do it. The
software simply provides a nice means of tracking and a database of foods to
draw from. That's the value of the software.

:: But they don't, because if they do then the product is less
:: appealing and that's no good because it's all about the money.
::

No, it's about providing value for money. You're simply a foob that hates
they fact that others provide value-added software.

:: And please, I have yet to meet a dietician that tells you to track
:: your diet by calories, every single dietician will tells you to
:: watch the quality of food and track portions. If you say no to that
:: you either have never spoken to a dietician or are flat out lying
:: with your statement.

I've dealt with 3 dieticians in my day. I don't give a damn what they say.
Their word isn't like the word of God or something. Most of them are
probably not smart enough to track calories anyhow. Oh, and dieticians get
paid too for their services, why don't you hate them too.

::
::
:: Have a good day.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Mu wrote:

Tsk, tsk... remember the 2PD-OMER Approach has never been a diet from
the outset despite the misnomer:

I thought we had been over this. Since the sole components of the
2PD-OMER Diet are a reduction in food intake and possibly some prayer,
it is a diet in the english language, as spoken throughout the world.
To say it is not a diet is to say that the sky does not appear blue or
that the New England Journal of Medicine is not a Journal of Medicine
and medical research and is not published in New England.

The proof is that we can dovetail the 2PD-OMER Approach with any
diet... even with the much maligned low-carb diet.
Malign - To make evil, harmful, and often untrue statements about.
*source: The Free Online Dictionary

I concur with your self-assessment, maligner.

-Hollywood

No, it's about providing value for money. You're simply a foob that hates
the fact that others provide value-added software.

???Why would I care about what some software company does or offers??? They
can fill up the software with so much crap you need a whole DVD to
distribute the garbage. It's simply not humanly possible for someone to
care less about it than I do.



It's people like you that make companies like bowflex claim that their
thread mill burns as many calories as other thread mills in half the time
and have a clean conscience about it it. Then you have all the ignorant
people go out and buy it based on that statement simply to discover that
whoooooooops, they just told you what you wanted to hear but they left out
the "small" details.





Oh, and dieticians get paid too for their services, why

don't you hate them too.


There are honest dieticians as well as scum ones, the same apply for
software companies. I am just trying to help out people sort through the
scum, what's the point of paying 20 or 30 dollars for software when 70% of
its features are worthless??

Roger Zoul wrote:
Mu wrote:
:: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:03:36 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: wrote:
::
::: Dude...this "degree of extreme accuracy" is in your mind. Just
::: measure portions and account for foods you eat.
::
:: Rog, you're a convert......to reality.
::
:: Is this where you bow to the Chung-Mu throne of the 2 pound diet?

Absolutely.........NOT. Calorie counting works, if you do it.

If you do the calorie counting right, you end up weighing the food but
still never being certain about how much you are eating.

May GOD continue to mercifully keep your heart beating, dear neighbor
Roger whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...ad7fe68478acf?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Mu wrote:
::::: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:03:36 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
::::: wrote:
:::::
:::::: Dude...this "degree of extreme accuracy" is in your mind. Just
:::::: measure portions and account for foods you eat.
:::::
::::: Rog, you're a convert......to reality.
:::::
::::: Is this where you bow to the Chung-Mu throne of the 2 pound diet?
:::
::: Absolutely.........NOT. Calorie counting works, if you do it.
::
:: If you do the calorie counting right, you end up weighing the food
:: but still never being certain about how much you are eating.

Obviously, then, being certain how much you are eating is not important.

Roger Zoul wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Mu wrote:
::::: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:03:36 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
::::: wrote:
:::::
:::::: Dude...this "degree of extreme accuracy" is in your mind. Just
:::::: measure portions and account for foods you eat.
:::::
::::: Rog, you're a convert......to reality.
:::::
::::: Is this where you bow to the Chung-Mu throne of the 2 pound diet?
:::
::: Absolutely.........NOT. Calorie counting works, if you do it.
::
:: If you do the calorie counting right, you end up weighing the food
:: but still never being certain about how much you are eating.

Obviously, then, being certain how much you are eating is not important.

Actually, the widespread failure of calorie counting to help people
achieve lasting ( 5yrs) significant ( 20%) weight loss indicates
that not being certain about how much one is eating is a serious
drawback.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Roger whom I
love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...ad7fe68478acf?

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:22:49 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
wrote:

Mu wrote:
:: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:03:36 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: wrote:
::
::: Dude...this "degree of extreme accuracy" is in your mind. Just
::: measure portions and account for foods you eat.
::
:: Rog, you're a convert......to reality.
::
:: Is this where you bow to the Chung-Mu throne of the 2 pound diet?

Absolutely.........NOT. Calorie counting works, if you do it.

Still preaching that nonsense, are you, Holy Cow, we shot the cal
counting mythology dead a couple of years ago.

I thought.

Pass me your bomb calorimeter and...what, you don't have one? Then how
do you know the cals you ate? A book told you? lol

Which books, I got books that disagree to the tune of as much as 25%
on the portion sizes. How much chicken skin was there? How much fat
under the skin? How much wasn't cooked off?

This so simple to understand but if you take cal counting away, what
have you got left?

One more time. If you count cals, and you eat 2,000 cals a day and
that is your "no weight gain" cal baseline, if you are off just 10%
each day (which it is more likely that you are off more than that),
what's 200 x 30? How much weight did you just gain?

eom

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:58:12 -0700, LurfysMa
wrote:

To get ths started, what are the features that a good software
application should include?

Freeware, anything else is spending money to spend money.

A spreadsheet with one column. Food weight. I tossed mine away after 8
weeks or so.

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:37:51 GMT, "Tim" wrote:

No, it's about providing value for money. You're simply a foob that hates
the fact that others provide value-added software.

???Why would I care about what some software company does or offers??? They
can fill up the software with so much crap you need a whole DVD to
distribute the garbage. It's simply not humanly possible for someone to
care less about it than I do.

For someone who cares so little about it, you sure go on and on and on
about it. Hmmm...

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