Dr. Atkins' Dietetic Revolution: Mu Critique?

MU wrote:
|| On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:46:21 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||||| Those who are buying Atkin's products don't seem to know about
||||| glycogen stores.
|||
||| And who would you know? Do you stand in the stores and ask them?
||
|| ZoulFool, the man is a doctor. Here's a hint.
||
|| P-a-t-i-e-n-t-s.
||
|| When you let your emotions move your fingers, you post drivel.

That proves little, Mucus.

MU wrote:
|| On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:45:35 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote:
||
|||||||| This OP was research, ZoulFool.
||||||
|||||| Bull****.
|||||
||||| Really? lol
|||||
||||| Schweiz Med Wochenschr. 1977 Jul 23;107(29):1017-250
|||
||| Oh, that's research.
||
|| No, "it" is a compilation of research this man has put together for
|| yor edification. Since you are Mr. Research, follow the trail.

A 1977 paper? No.

||
||| If something from this source is what you were
||| presented in the OP, why did you not identify it as such instead of
||| giving the impression that you wrote it?
||
|| Dr. Atkins' Dietetic Revolution: Mu Critique?
||
|| See the ? It's there for a reason. You blew right over it as I knew
|| you would, Point made. you can't even determine authorship much less
|| research.

No, you wrote that to suggest your involvement. If, on the other hand, you
had simply given the cite, there would have been no question. You're just
simply a moron. And I most certainly can determine authorship. But when
one is dealing with the insane, namely you, there is no telling what will
come by.

||
||| You're simply full of it.
||
|| Nope, I engage brain gear before typing. Try it sometime.

You're really too stupid to be allowed to stay in your skin, mu. Monkey
suit for you.

MU wrote:
|| On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:46:21 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||||| Those who are buying Atkin's products don't seem to know about
||||| glycogen stores.
|||
||| And who would you know? Do you stand in the stores and ask them?
||
|| ZoulFool, the man is a doctor. Here's a hint.
||
|| P-a-t-i-e-n-t-s.
||
|| When you let your emotions move your fingers, you post drivel.

BTW, Atkins was a doctor and he had patients.

Roger Zoul wrote:

MU wrote:
|| On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:46:21 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||||| Those who are buying Atkin's products don't seem to know about
||||| glycogen stores.
|||
||| And who would you know? Do you stand in the stores and ask them?
||
|| ZoulFool, the man is a doctor. Here's a hint.
||
|| P-a-t-i-e-n-t-s.
||
|| When you let your emotions move your fingers, you post drivel.

BTW, Atkins was a doctor and he had patients.

BTW, he also suffered a cardiac arrest while reportedly on his own diet.


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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||
||| MU wrote:
||||| On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:46:21 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote:
|||||
|||||||| Those who are buying Atkin's products don't seem to know about
|||||||| glycogen stores.
||||||
|||||| And who would you know? Do you stand in the stores and ask them?
|||||
||||| ZoulFool, the man is a doctor. Here's a hint.
|||||
||||| P-a-t-i-e-n-t-s.
|||||
||||| When you let your emotions move your fingers, you post drivel.
|||
||| BTW, Atkins was a doctor and he had patients.
||
|| BTW, he also suffered a cardiac arrest while reportedly on his own
|| diet.

So? Can you guarantee that you never will in your lifetime?

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||
||| MU wrote:
||||| On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:46:21 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote:
|||||
|||||||| Those who are buying Atkin's products don't seem to know about
|||||||| glycogen stores.
||||||
|||||| And who would you know? Do you stand in the stores and ask them?
|||||
||||| ZoulFool, the man is a doctor. Here's a hint.
|||||
||||| P-a-t-i-e-n-t-s.
|||||
||||| When you let your emotions move your fingers, you post drivel.
|||
||| BTW, Atkins was a doctor and he had patients.
||
|| BTW, he also suffered a cardiac arrest while reportedly on his own
|| diet.

So? Can you guarantee that you never will in your lifetime?

Roger Zoul wrote:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||
||| MU wrote:
||||| On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:46:21 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote:
|||||
|||||||| Those who are buying Atkin's products don't seem to know about
|||||||| glycogen stores.
||||||
|||||| And who would you know? Do you stand in the stores and ask them?
|||||
||||| ZoulFool, the man is a doctor. Here's a hint.
|||||
||||| P-a-t-i-e-n-t-s.
|||||
||||| When you let your emotions move your fingers, you post drivel.
|||
||| BTW, Atkins was a doctor and he had patients.
||
|| BTW, he also suffered a cardiac arrest while reportedly on his own
|| diet.

So? Can you guarantee that you never will in your lifetime?

I can guarantee it will not happen from eating less.


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Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
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Is this claim of yours still based on single croatian study?

The biochemistry of hyperketonemia causing higher rates of lipid
peroxidation (via increased production of reactive oxygen species or
ROS) has been confirmed multiple times by more than one independent
group.

Actually, I tend to agree with you about this topic, I was just curious if
there is something else to read about it...

In the end, in a very simplified way, if ketones are there to substitute
glucose (not quite correct, but let us say so), and we all know that high
glucose levels are dangerous, it seems to be logical that high ketone levels
are dangerous too.

Anyway, now the question is what level of ketones is dangerous and how much
carbs you need to avoid it... I guess that with more than 70g/day you will
hardly exceed 1mmol/dl... From what I know, some people are unable to pass
this limit even at "atkins induction" levels, as there is quite effective
insulin feedback mechanism... (which, surprisingly, seems to work well even
for TypeII diabetics - perhaps much slower absorbtion of fat is the cause).

In any case it seems very stupid to me to overeat fat just to get better
ketostick results...

President Clinton's recent experience with low-carbing would be a new
development.

Actually, IF Clinton's recent experience was caused by dietary
hyperketonemia, THEN he was NOT following his choosen plan (SB diet is
non-ketogenic).

Mirek

Is this claim of yours still based on single croatian study?

The biochemistry of hyperketonemia causing higher rates of lipid
peroxidation (via increased production of reactive oxygen species or
ROS) has been confirmed multiple times by more than one independent
group.

Actually, I tend to agree with you about this topic, I was just curious if
there is something else to read about it...

In the end, in a very simplified way, if ketones are there to substitute
glucose (not quite correct, but let us say so), and we all know that high
glucose levels are dangerous, it seems to be logical that high ketone levels
are dangerous too.

Anyway, now the question is what level of ketones is dangerous and how much
carbs you need to avoid it... I guess that with more than 70g/day you will
hardly exceed 1mmol/dl... From what I know, some people are unable to pass
this limit even at "atkins induction" levels, as there is quite effective
insulin feedback mechanism... (which, surprisingly, seems to work well even
for TypeII diabetics - perhaps much slower absorbtion of fat is the cause).

In any case it seems very stupid to me to overeat fat just to get better
ketostick results...

President Clinton's recent experience with low-carbing would be a new
development.

Actually, IF Clinton's recent experience was caused by dietary
hyperketonemia, THEN he was NOT following his choosen plan (SB diet is
non-ketogenic).

Mirek

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||
||| Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
||||| Roger Zoul wrote:
||||||
|||||| MU wrote:
|||||||| On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:46:21 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote:
||||||||
||||||||||| Those who are buying Atkin's products don't seem to know
||||||||||| about glycogen stores.
|||||||||
||||||||| And who would you know? Do you stand in the stores and ask
||||||||| them?
||||||||
|||||||| ZoulFool, the man is a doctor. Here's a hint.
||||||||
|||||||| P-a-t-i-e-n-t-s.
||||||||
|||||||| When you let your emotions move your fingers, you post drivel.
||||||
|||||| BTW, Atkins was a doctor and he had patients.
|||||
||||| BTW, he also suffered a cardiac arrest while reportedly on his own
||||| diet.
|||
||| So? Can you guarantee that you never will in your lifetime?
||
|| I can guarantee it will not happen from eating less.
||

How so?