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  #21  
Old September 15th, 2004, 09:29 PM
tcomeau
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"Roger Zoul" wrote in message ...
tcomeau wrote:
:: (One of the Survivors) wrote in
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::: I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering
::: how caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've
::: stayed at a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably
::: 300g at least), but how does the increase of calories affect a
::: person on this diet? How do you calculate how many calories you
::: should have in one day? I am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't
::: there a number of calories that a person just works off in a
::: regular day? I do a fair bit of moving around at work and I've
::: been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm curious as to how to
::: limit my intake.
:::
::: Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
::: concerned?
::
:: Restricting and counting calories has been shown to fail in 98% of
:: cases. The numbers do not make sense in the real world.
::
:: Why bother counting calories when simply count carbs does the trick?

Because simply counting carbs doesn't do the trick for many people.

And what makes you believe that if counting calories won't work that
counting carbs will?


Because I have seen, first hand, LCing work for *everyone* who has
tried it and applied it correctly, without exception, and I have seen
posts, reports and photos of hundreds who have succeeded in the
low-carb forums. These people are only a small fraction of those
succeeding on low-carb diets. And an ever increasing number of studies
have confirmed the efficacy of low-carb diets.

Which is far more success than can be said about those who attempt a
low-fat/low-cal diet for weight loss. If all that was needed to lose
weight was to count calories and restrict high-calorie foods, such as
fat, then anyone *wanting* to be thin and applying even a *modicum* of
effort to restrict calories and fat would *be* thin. But we know that
that is NOT the case, don't we?

TC
  #22  
Old September 15th, 2004, 10:08 PM
Roger Zoul
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tcomeau wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message
:: ...
::: tcomeau wrote:
::::: (One of the Survivors) wrote in
::::: message . com...
:::::: I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering
:::::: how caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've
:::::: stayed at a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably
:::::: 300g at least), but how does the increase of calories affect a
:::::: person on this diet? How do you calculate how many calories you
:::::: should have in one day? I am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't
:::::: there a number of calories that a person just works off in a
:::::: regular day? I do a fair bit of moving around at work and I've
:::::: been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm curious as to how to
:::::: limit my intake.
::::::
:::::: Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
:::::: concerned?
:::::
::::: Restricting and counting calories has been shown to fail in 98% of
::::: cases. The numbers do not make sense in the real world.
:::::
::::: Why bother counting calories when simply count carbs does the
::::: trick?
:::
::: Because simply counting carbs doesn't do the trick for many people.
:::
::: And what makes you believe that if counting calories won't work that
::: counting carbs will?
::
:: Because I have seen, first hand, LCing work for *everyone* who has
:: tried it and applied it correctly, without exception, and I have seen
:: posts, reports and photos of hundreds who have succeeded in the
:: low-carb forums. These people are only a small fraction of those
:: succeeding on low-carb diets. And an ever increasing number of
:: studies
:: have confirmed the efficacy of low-carb diets.

Why are you making this argument? I never implied that low carb didn't
work, I was talking about counting calories and carbs as opposed to one or
the other. You're not going to suggest to me that you won't lose weight
simply because you're counting calories, are you?

::
:: Which is far more success than can be said about those who attempt a
:: low-fat/low-cal diet for weight loss. If all that was needed to lose
:: weight was to count calories and restrict high-calorie foods, such as
:: fat, then anyone *wanting* to be thin and applying even a *modicum*
:: of
:: effort to restrict calories and fat would *be* thin. But we know that
:: that is NOT the case, don't we?

You're making the wrong points. Do you think I'd be hanging out here if I
didn't believe that LC works? However, I count both calories and carbs.




  #23  
Old September 15th, 2004, 10:08 PM
Roger Zoul
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tcomeau wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message
:: ...
::: tcomeau wrote:
::::: (One of the Survivors) wrote in
::::: message . com...
:::::: I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering
:::::: how caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've
:::::: stayed at a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably
:::::: 300g at least), but how does the increase of calories affect a
:::::: person on this diet? How do you calculate how many calories you
:::::: should have in one day? I am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't
:::::: there a number of calories that a person just works off in a
:::::: regular day? I do a fair bit of moving around at work and I've
:::::: been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm curious as to how to
:::::: limit my intake.
::::::
:::::: Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
:::::: concerned?
:::::
::::: Restricting and counting calories has been shown to fail in 98% of
::::: cases. The numbers do not make sense in the real world.
:::::
::::: Why bother counting calories when simply count carbs does the
::::: trick?
:::
::: Because simply counting carbs doesn't do the trick for many people.
:::
::: And what makes you believe that if counting calories won't work that
::: counting carbs will?
::
:: Because I have seen, first hand, LCing work for *everyone* who has
:: tried it and applied it correctly, without exception, and I have seen
:: posts, reports and photos of hundreds who have succeeded in the
:: low-carb forums. These people are only a small fraction of those
:: succeeding on low-carb diets. And an ever increasing number of
:: studies
:: have confirmed the efficacy of low-carb diets.

Why are you making this argument? I never implied that low carb didn't
work, I was talking about counting calories and carbs as opposed to one or
the other. You're not going to suggest to me that you won't lose weight
simply because you're counting calories, are you?

::
:: Which is far more success than can be said about those who attempt a
:: low-fat/low-cal diet for weight loss. If all that was needed to lose
:: weight was to count calories and restrict high-calorie foods, such as
:: fat, then anyone *wanting* to be thin and applying even a *modicum*
:: of
:: effort to restrict calories and fat would *be* thin. But we know that
:: that is NOT the case, don't we?

You're making the wrong points. Do you think I'd be hanging out here if I
didn't believe that LC works? However, I count both calories and carbs.




  #24  
Old September 15th, 2004, 10:08 PM
Roger Zoul
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tcomeau wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message
:: ...
::: tcomeau wrote:
::::: (One of the Survivors) wrote in
::::: message . com...
:::::: I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering
:::::: how caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've
:::::: stayed at a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably
:::::: 300g at least), but how does the increase of calories affect a
:::::: person on this diet? How do you calculate how many calories you
:::::: should have in one day? I am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't
:::::: there a number of calories that a person just works off in a
:::::: regular day? I do a fair bit of moving around at work and I've
:::::: been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm curious as to how to
:::::: limit my intake.
::::::
:::::: Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
:::::: concerned?
:::::
::::: Restricting and counting calories has been shown to fail in 98% of
::::: cases. The numbers do not make sense in the real world.
:::::
::::: Why bother counting calories when simply count carbs does the
::::: trick?
:::
::: Because simply counting carbs doesn't do the trick for many people.
:::
::: And what makes you believe that if counting calories won't work that
::: counting carbs will?
::
:: Because I have seen, first hand, LCing work for *everyone* who has
:: tried it and applied it correctly, without exception, and I have seen
:: posts, reports and photos of hundreds who have succeeded in the
:: low-carb forums. These people are only a small fraction of those
:: succeeding on low-carb diets. And an ever increasing number of
:: studies
:: have confirmed the efficacy of low-carb diets.

Why are you making this argument? I never implied that low carb didn't
work, I was talking about counting calories and carbs as opposed to one or
the other. You're not going to suggest to me that you won't lose weight
simply because you're counting calories, are you?

::
:: Which is far more success than can be said about those who attempt a
:: low-fat/low-cal diet for weight loss. If all that was needed to lose
:: weight was to count calories and restrict high-calorie foods, such as
:: fat, then anyone *wanting* to be thin and applying even a *modicum*
:: of
:: effort to restrict calories and fat would *be* thin. But we know that
:: that is NOT the case, don't we?

You're making the wrong points. Do you think I'd be hanging out here if I
didn't believe that LC works? However, I count both calories and carbs.




  #25  
Old September 15th, 2004, 10:18 PM
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Hi TC,


Because I have seen, first hand, LCing work for *everyone* who has
tried it and applied it correctly, without exception ....


I agree that LC is the WOE of choice - that said, I think that some
LCers (such as myself) DO have to watch their calories as well as
their carbs.

After 6 month on LC and while being in ketosis continuously (medium
dark radings most of the time, never negative) I regained over 8 lbs
on a carb level around 30 - 40g / day.

I have since upped my exercise (joined a gym 1st Sept.) and
try to cut down on my calories.....


Take care,
Hamburger

LC since 1st Sept. 2003
320/288/200
male, 48 yrs. 6'1"




  #26  
Old September 15th, 2004, 10:18 PM
Hamburger
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Hi TC,


Because I have seen, first hand, LCing work for *everyone* who has
tried it and applied it correctly, without exception ....


I agree that LC is the WOE of choice - that said, I think that some
LCers (such as myself) DO have to watch their calories as well as
their carbs.

After 6 month on LC and while being in ketosis continuously (medium
dark radings most of the time, never negative) I regained over 8 lbs
on a carb level around 30 - 40g / day.

I have since upped my exercise (joined a gym 1st Sept.) and
try to cut down on my calories.....


Take care,
Hamburger

LC since 1st Sept. 2003
320/288/200
male, 48 yrs. 6'1"




  #27  
Old September 15th, 2004, 10:22 PM
Lady o' the house
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I count both calories and carbs, too. My average daily calorie intake is
1200, with a daily average of 25 carbs. Low carbing has helped me to
control my appetite, but I need to count calories to control the amount of
food I eat.

And the pounds keep coming off!

--
Linda
296/200/160
LC since Oct. 13, 2003
http://home.att.net/~lewis_linda/index.html


"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
tcomeau wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message
:: ...
::: tcomeau wrote:
::::: (One of the Survivors) wrote in
::::: message . com...
:::::: I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering
:::::: how caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've
:::::: stayed at a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably
:::::: 300g at least), but how does the increase of calories affect a
:::::: person on this diet? How do you calculate how many calories you
:::::: should have in one day? I am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't
:::::: there a number of calories that a person just works off in a
:::::: regular day? I do a fair bit of moving around at work and I've
:::::: been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm curious as to how to
:::::: limit my intake.
::::::
:::::: Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
:::::: concerned?
:::::
::::: Restricting and counting calories has been shown to fail in 98% of
::::: cases. The numbers do not make sense in the real world.
:::::
::::: Why bother counting calories when simply count carbs does the
::::: trick?
:::
::: Because simply counting carbs doesn't do the trick for many people.
:::
::: And what makes you believe that if counting calories won't work that
::: counting carbs will?
::
:: Because I have seen, first hand, LCing work for *everyone* who has
:: tried it and applied it correctly, without exception, and I have seen
:: posts, reports and photos of hundreds who have succeeded in the
:: low-carb forums. These people are only a small fraction of those
:: succeeding on low-carb diets. And an ever increasing number of
:: studies
:: have confirmed the efficacy of low-carb diets.

Why are you making this argument? I never implied that low carb didn't
work, I was talking about counting calories and carbs as opposed to one or
the other. You're not going to suggest to me that you won't lose weight
simply because you're counting calories, are you?

::
:: Which is far more success than can be said about those who attempt a
:: low-fat/low-cal diet for weight loss. If all that was needed to lose
:: weight was to count calories and restrict high-calorie foods, such as
:: fat, then anyone *wanting* to be thin and applying even a *modicum*
:: of
:: effort to restrict calories and fat would *be* thin. But we know that
:: that is NOT the case, don't we?

You're making the wrong points. Do you think I'd be hanging out here if I
didn't believe that LC works? However, I count both calories and carbs.






  #28  
Old September 15th, 2004, 10:22 PM
Lady o' the house
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I count both calories and carbs, too. My average daily calorie intake is
1200, with a daily average of 25 carbs. Low carbing has helped me to
control my appetite, but I need to count calories to control the amount of
food I eat.

And the pounds keep coming off!

--
Linda
296/200/160
LC since Oct. 13, 2003
http://home.att.net/~lewis_linda/index.html


"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
tcomeau wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message
:: ...
::: tcomeau wrote:
::::: (One of the Survivors) wrote in
::::: message . com...
:::::: I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering
:::::: how caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've
:::::: stayed at a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably
:::::: 300g at least), but how does the increase of calories affect a
:::::: person on this diet? How do you calculate how many calories you
:::::: should have in one day? I am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't
:::::: there a number of calories that a person just works off in a
:::::: regular day? I do a fair bit of moving around at work and I've
:::::: been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm curious as to how to
:::::: limit my intake.
::::::
:::::: Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
:::::: concerned?
:::::
::::: Restricting and counting calories has been shown to fail in 98% of
::::: cases. The numbers do not make sense in the real world.
:::::
::::: Why bother counting calories when simply count carbs does the
::::: trick?
:::
::: Because simply counting carbs doesn't do the trick for many people.
:::
::: And what makes you believe that if counting calories won't work that
::: counting carbs will?
::
:: Because I have seen, first hand, LCing work for *everyone* who has
:: tried it and applied it correctly, without exception, and I have seen
:: posts, reports and photos of hundreds who have succeeded in the
:: low-carb forums. These people are only a small fraction of those
:: succeeding on low-carb diets. And an ever increasing number of
:: studies
:: have confirmed the efficacy of low-carb diets.

Why are you making this argument? I never implied that low carb didn't
work, I was talking about counting calories and carbs as opposed to one or
the other. You're not going to suggest to me that you won't lose weight
simply because you're counting calories, are you?

::
:: Which is far more success than can be said about those who attempt a
:: low-fat/low-cal diet for weight loss. If all that was needed to lose
:: weight was to count calories and restrict high-calorie foods, such as
:: fat, then anyone *wanting* to be thin and applying even a *modicum*
:: of
:: effort to restrict calories and fat would *be* thin. But we know that
:: that is NOT the case, don't we?

You're making the wrong points. Do you think I'd be hanging out here if I
didn't believe that LC works? However, I count both calories and carbs.






  #29  
Old September 16th, 2004, 03:48 AM
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"carla" wrote in message ...
One of the Survivors wrote:
I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering how
caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've stayed at
a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably 300g at least),
but how does the increase of calories affect a person on this diet?

If you head on over to a resource like www.fitday.com, and enter in a
typical pre-diet day, you will probably find that you are eating fewer
calories now rather than more. (Certainly if you are losing fat you are now
eating fewer calories than before, no magic there.) Those 300g of carbs you
used to eat represent 1200 calories a day that are no longer part of your
diet. Even if you replace half of those calories with low carb foods - and
that's quite a bit of low carb food - you would still be running a
substantial calorie deficit compared to your previous eating habits.

How do you calculate how many calories you should have in one day? I
am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't there a number of calories that
a person just works off in a regular day? I do a fair bit of moving
around at work and I've been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm
curious as to how to limit my intake.

FitDay also includes a calories consumption calculator, but the general
consensus is that it vastly overestimates the amount of calories burned off
doing things. If you tell it that you are sedentary 24 hours a day, it will
give you a reasonably accurate (as accurate as anyone else's) estimate of
your basal metabolic rate (BMR). Most people find that eating right around
your BMR is effective for weight loss. (Remember that your BMR decreases as
you lose weight.) That's what I do.

Another approach many people take is to start at 10 times their bodyweight
in Calories; so if you weigh 220, you would start at 2200 for a couple of
weeks. If you don't see any loss at that level, come down to 9 times your
bodyweight, and so on. Since you are male (I'm assuming this because of
your height, and apologize if I am wrong) and you exercise, you will
probably lose weight very comfortably at 10 x bodyweight, but you have to do
the experiment to know for sure.

Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
concerned?

I'll let someone else field this one.


Wow...Thanks a lot for letting me know about the fitday site! That is
awesome. It really made me feel pretty good today. Although, I'm
concerned that I'm pretty low on the fat and calorie intake. It's
almost 9pm and I've only eaten a little over 1000 calories and 43
grams of fat. Considering how many calories it says I worked off
today, I'm 3000 calories ahead. If I eat at this rate, is it possible
that I won't lose just because I'm not eating enough? I feel that
I've eaten quite a bit today...well, especially tonight, I just had
tuna salad and cucumber for lunch. But I had a steak and some cheese
and some cottage cheese.

Oh yeah, I am a male, you're right. I thought that would have been
funny if I pretended to be a very large female, but I decided against
it.

My next question would be: What is it, four calories per gram of fat?
Do you add that onto your regular calories to find where you're at?

Thanks.
  #30  
Old September 16th, 2004, 03:48 AM
One of the Survivors
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"carla" wrote in message ...
One of the Survivors wrote:
I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering how
caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've stayed at
a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably 300g at least),
but how does the increase of calories affect a person on this diet?

If you head on over to a resource like www.fitday.com, and enter in a
typical pre-diet day, you will probably find that you are eating fewer
calories now rather than more. (Certainly if you are losing fat you are now
eating fewer calories than before, no magic there.) Those 300g of carbs you
used to eat represent 1200 calories a day that are no longer part of your
diet. Even if you replace half of those calories with low carb foods - and
that's quite a bit of low carb food - you would still be running a
substantial calorie deficit compared to your previous eating habits.

How do you calculate how many calories you should have in one day? I
am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't there a number of calories that
a person just works off in a regular day? I do a fair bit of moving
around at work and I've been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm
curious as to how to limit my intake.

FitDay also includes a calories consumption calculator, but the general
consensus is that it vastly overestimates the amount of calories burned off
doing things. If you tell it that you are sedentary 24 hours a day, it will
give you a reasonably accurate (as accurate as anyone else's) estimate of
your basal metabolic rate (BMR). Most people find that eating right around
your BMR is effective for weight loss. (Remember that your BMR decreases as
you lose weight.) That's what I do.

Another approach many people take is to start at 10 times their bodyweight
in Calories; so if you weigh 220, you would start at 2200 for a couple of
weeks. If you don't see any loss at that level, come down to 9 times your
bodyweight, and so on. Since you are male (I'm assuming this because of
your height, and apologize if I am wrong) and you exercise, you will
probably lose weight very comfortably at 10 x bodyweight, but you have to do
the experiment to know for sure.

Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
concerned?

I'll let someone else field this one.


Wow...Thanks a lot for letting me know about the fitday site! That is
awesome. It really made me feel pretty good today. Although, I'm
concerned that I'm pretty low on the fat and calorie intake. It's
almost 9pm and I've only eaten a little over 1000 calories and 43
grams of fat. Considering how many calories it says I worked off
today, I'm 3000 calories ahead. If I eat at this rate, is it possible
that I won't lose just because I'm not eating enough? I feel that
I've eaten quite a bit today...well, especially tonight, I just had
tuna salad and cucumber for lunch. But I had a steak and some cheese
and some cottage cheese.

Oh yeah, I am a male, you're right. I thought that would have been
funny if I pretended to be a very large female, but I decided against
it.

My next question would be: What is it, four calories per gram of fat?
Do you add that onto your regular calories to find where you're at?

Thanks.
 




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