lowering of metabolism after weight loss

Stacey Bender wrote:

Doug Freyburger wrote:

Good point but it still misses something. Folks can and do
find ways to keep their loss off.

Very few.

That depends on the method.

It's interesting when our schools fail to graduate a large
percentage of students we want to change the schools to be more
effective. We don't say the students should be able to graduate no
matter how bad the schools are. Yet for weight, no matter hard it is for
someone to lose weight it's their fault and their fault alone.

Many folks blame the diets and so there are literally more than 1000
diets out there.

We don't
think about how to improve the entire system to help people, which is
really what needs to happen for masses of people to change. Talking
about individual successes is interesting, but in every other case we
call that ancedotal evidence.

Diets do not work for the "masses of people to change."

Ways that don't drop
metabolism and also that don't trigger appetite.

The problem is appetite isn't the only mechanism that triggers eating.

Actually, when someone truly loses appetite (anorexia) it becomes very
difficult (and sometime impossible) to get that someone to eat.

The dopamine reward system is another largely independent system for
encouraging eating.

As for the diet, people don't stay on diets in general? Why is that?
It's rooted in our biology.

"Variety is the spice of life."

Diets reduce the variety in the food people eat.

Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach does not do this and so folks can see
themselves using this method lifelong.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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In alt.support.diabetes Doug Freese wrote:

: "wendy" wrote in message
: ...
: GaryG wrote:
: So, we should all just give up then? Look for help through drugs and
: surgery?
:
: Neither of which work either. I didn't say give up. But you also have
: to have a realistic idea of what your are trying to accomplish.
:
: A wise person once said, "If you think you can, or you think you
: can't...you
: are correct."
:
: I think i can fly by flapping my arms. I must be correct.

: All your logic on htis topic suggests you are flapping your wings. No,
: wait, that would be a form a exercise and a way balance one's caloric
: intake. You are correct there are other factors that tug you in the
: wrong direction and mostly self control. Eat a bit less(especially ****
: sugar crap), exercise a bit more and you will slim down slowly but
: steady. The science to lose weight is simple, take in less than you
: need. The rest is willpower and only YOU can decide what quality of life
: you want.

: -DF

I lost some 64 pounds about 18 years ago when first diagnosed. I have
held it off pretty consistntly since, with one interlude whan about 20
pounds came back on, but i was able to relose them.

what bothers me now is that with a creful diet of moderate carbs-60-100
per day- and controlled "good" fats, I am unable to loose more weight
which I would like to do. Unfortunately, my sciatica prevents me from
doing much exercise on my feet, like walking, treadmill, step machine,
eliptical machine, etc. I do know htat if I were not watching muy carbs
and ft, not oly would I have high BGs but would gain weight again.
Fortunately, either through age (69) or just getting accustomed to it, my
appetite is not so crazy as it was many years ago. Smaller amounts seem
to content me.

Wendy (Plese don't confuse me with the other Wendy posting on this bunch
of groups. I am a regular on asd)

In alt.support.diabetes Beverly wrote:

: "wendy" wrote in message
: ...
: GaryG wrote:
: You seem to be a very negative person...specifically, a "toxic
: personality".
:
: I see the light. Wishing makes it so. Picture me tossing rose buds in
: the air. It's not negative to try and figure out what really is going on
: without resorting to the brainless eat-less mantra.
:
: Do you ever get referred to as "Whiny Wendy"?
:
: Only when i fart.
:

: That would be "Windy Wendy"

: The eat-less mantra seems to work for all who have been successful in their
: weightloss efforts. It even works for those of us who have a few minor road
: blocks in our path - such as menopause, limited ability to exercise, etc.

I found hta when I first started to try to diet and loose weigh seriously
I changed the proportions of my meals, but ate much the same quantity o
the plate. I woudl take a modest portion of meat or fish, a small carb
serving and lots of low carb veggies, like succhini, spinach, green beans,
etc. this enabled me to eat the sme meals as my family an still loose.
As wight came down, I found I could do with a bit less quantity. I found
that feeling nice and full a few times a day helped keep me on the new
eating plan. It is the feeling of deprivation and humger that defeats us.

Wendy(the one from asd who just recently posted on this thred for the
first time)

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:17:40 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
wrote:

Wendy (Plese don't confuse me with the other Wendy posting on this bunch
of groups. I am a regular on asd)

Never:-))


Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

In alt.support.diet.low-carb Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Ignoramus21798 wrote:

snip
It all depends on how much you want it. Numerous people lose weight
and keep it off, not without difficulties. It is not impossible.

More than 625,550 people for more than 5 years without regain:


Make the 625,549. I hear that nice Mrs. Hadermeyer fell off the wagon
at her 50-year high school reunion. She muttered your name and crossed
herself as she grabbed for the big piece of cake with the '5' on it.

Dan
325/189/190
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

Daniel Hoffmeister wrote:

In alt.support.diet.low-carb Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Ignoramus21798 wrote:

snip
It all depends on how much you want it. Numerous people lose weight
and keep it off, not without difficulties. It is not impossible.

More than 625,550 people for more than 5 years without regain:

Make the 625,549. I hear that nice Mrs. Hadermeyer fell off the wagon
at her 50-year high school reunion. She muttered your name and crossed
herself as she grabbed for the big piece of cake with the '5' on it.

In truth, a 67-68 year old Mrs. Hadermeyer is not in my database so the
number remains more than 625,550. Sorry if this causes you any
consternation.

You will be in my prayers, dear Dan whom I love, in Lord Jesus' holy
name.


At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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"W. Baker" wrote:

In alt.support.diabetes Beverly wrote:

: "wendy" wrote in message
: ...
: GaryG wrote:
: You seem to be a very negative person...specifically, a "toxic
: personality".
:
: I see the light. Wishing makes it so. Picture me tossing rose buds in
: the air. It's not negative to try and figure out what really is going on
: without resorting to the brainless eat-less mantra.
:
: Do you ever get referred to as "Whiny Wendy"?
:
: Only when i fart.
:

: That would be "Windy Wendy"

: The eat-less mantra seems to work for all who have been successful in their
: weightloss efforts. It even works for those of us who have a few minor road
: blocks in our path - such as menopause, limited ability to exercise, etc.

I found hta when I first started to try to diet and loose weigh seriously
I changed the proportions of my meals, but ate much the same quantity o
the plate. I woudl take a modest portion of meat or fish, a small carb
serving and lots of low carb veggies, like succhini, spinach, green beans,
etc. this enabled me to eat the sme meals as my family an still loose.
As wight came down, I found I could do with a bit less quantity. I found
that feeling nice and full a few times a day helped keep me on the new
eating plan. It is the feeling of deprivation and humger that defeats us.

.... unless you choose to befriend hunger.

"If you can't beat them... join them."

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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"Stacey Bender" wrote in message
...
The problem is appetite isn't the only mechanism that triggers eating.
The dopamine reward system is another largely independent system for
encouraging eating.

Wanna bet the number of people that have this problem is .0000001? This
rationale reminds me of years back when every overweight person had
gland problems. It became the excuse not the reason. I won't say that
self control is not difficult to control but let's not point at the
obesity running rampant as some uncontrollable psychological
malfunction. Want to have some fun and see reality, spend a day or some
hours at a checkout counter in a food store. Note carts with the heavy
people dragging the heavy kids - chips, dips, cookies, etc. Fruits and
vegetables are minimal if not totally missing. It's **** poor eating in
combination of too many calories!!


As for the diet, people don't stay on diets in general? Why is that?
It's rooted in our biology.

It's more because we have so damn many fad diets that who the hell knows
what diet is really correct? Even the fad diets(and yes this includes
that asinine Atkins) will get you lose weight but sad to say they do
not teach you how to eat correctly so bingo, as soon as you attempt to
return to "normal" eating you're screwed(so to speak). As soon as you
dub your eating at a "diet" and not eating properly you are doomed to
fail.

-DF

Doug Freese wrote:
The problem is appetite isn't the only mechanism that triggers eating.
The dopamine reward system is another largely independent system for
encouraging eating.


Wanna bet the number of people that have this problem is .0000001?

It's not a problem. It's just the architecture of how we work. There is
no disorder involved. It is a sensible and understandable design as
well. The more obese a person was the fewer dopamine receptors they were
found to have, for example.

This rationale reminds me of years back when every overweight person had
gland problems.

You might want to take a look at the research and our physiology rather
than just making depricating and unwarranted analogies.

* http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-bra110404.php
*
http://www.sciencentral.com/articles...e_id=218392412

* http://cms.psychologytoday.com/artic...11-000001.html


It's more because we have so damn many fad diets that who the hell knows
what diet is really correct?

Humans don't have a particular diet. We are able to survive on a very
broad range of foods. So the diet doesn't matter. It's being required to
stay on it that's the failure point.

Doug Freese wrote:

"Stacey Bender" wrote in message
...
The problem is appetite isn't the only mechanism that triggers eating.
The dopamine reward system is another largely independent system for
encouraging eating.

Wanna bet the number of people that have this problem is .0000001? This
rationale reminds me of years back when every overweight person had
gland problems. It became the excuse not the reason. I won't say that
self control is not difficult to control but let's not point at the
obesity running rampant as some uncontrollable psychological
malfunction. Want to have some fun and see reality, spend a day or some
hours at a checkout counter in a food store. Note carts with the heavy
people dragging the heavy kids - chips, dips, cookies, etc. Fruits and
vegetables are minimal if not totally missing. It's **** poor eating in
combination of too many calories!!

As for the diet, people don't stay on diets in general? Why is that?
It's rooted in our biology.

It's more because we have so damn many fad diets that who the hell knows
what diet is really correct?

All the studies indicate that none help folks achieve lasting weight
loss that is clinically significant.

On the other hand, there is this simple lifestyle change that has helped
more than 625,550 people achieve weight loss over a period of more than
5 years without regain:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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