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Old December 11th, 2004, 09:15 PM
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date of Collier's work
approximates the time when the Kennedy book idea was originated.

Ignoring the shoddy approach and scholarly standards of the work,
the New York Times, Washington Post, and New Republic all gave
the book prominent and glowing reviews. In the latter case,
Martin Peretz placed the book on the August 27, 1984 New Republic
cover under the title "Dissolute Dynasty." He then got longtime
Kennedy basher Midge Decter to write a long review that branded
the saga "a sordid story." Right after this ecstatic reception,
in 1985, Horowitz and Collier landed a feature story in the
Washington Post as "Lefties for Reagan." Two years later, the
pair went on a USIA-State Department sponsored tour of Nicaragua.

This was at a time when the CIA was dumping millions into that
country in a huge psychological and propaganda war effort. That
same year, with lots of foundation money, the pair arranged a
"Second Thoughts" conference in Washington. This was basically a
meeting of "reformed" sixties liberals bent on attacking that
decade and anyone who wished to hold it up as an era of
excitement and/or progressive achievement. Peretz attended that
conference. Later, they sponsored another conference entitled
"Second Thoughts on Race in America." This might have been called
the Washington Post take on race in the eighties since it
featured such Kay Graham-Ben Bradlee employees as Richard Cohen,
Juan Williams, and Joe Klein. Today, these two see themselves as
armed guards protecting America from any renaissance of sixties
activism after Reagan. They are quite open about this and
Kennedy's role in it in Destructive Generation: "Just as
Eisenhower's holding action in the Fifties led to JFK's New
Frontier liberalism in the Sixties...so the clamped-down
Reaganism of the Eighties has precipitated the current radical
resurgence...." Is one to conclude that Clinton


  #22  
Old December 11th, 2004, 09:49 PM
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that Monroe had conversations with the Kennedy brothers on top
secret matters like the examination of captured outer space
creatures, bases inside of Cuba, and of President Kennedy's plans
to kill Castro. He also said that she was talking about a "diary
of secrets" (quotes in original) that she had threatened RFK with
if he brushed her off. When I got this memo, I was struck by its
singular format. I have seen hundreds of CIA documents, maybe
thousands, and I never saw one that looked like this. (We can't
reproduce it because the copy sent to us is so poor). I forwarded
it to Washington researcher Peter Vea. He agreed it was highly
unusual. To play it safe, I then sent a copy to former
intelligence analyst John Newman. He said that he had seen such
reports. What he thought was wrong with it was that there were
things in it that should have been redacted that weren't and
things exposed that should have been blacked out. For instance,
there is a phrase as follows, "a secret air base for the purpose
of inspecting [things] from outer space." Newman notes that the
brackets around the word "things" denote that it had been
previously redacted. It should not have. The words "outer space"
should have been redacted and they never were. On the basis of
this and other inconsistencies, he decided it was a "good"
forgery from someone who knew what they were doing. He told PBS
this four years ago when they showed it to him. The fact that
this doc


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Old December 11th, 2004, 09:49 PM
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that Monroe had conversations with the Kennedy brothers on top
secret matters like the examination of captured outer space
creatures, bases inside of Cuba, and of President Kennedy's plans
to kill Castro. He also said that she was talking about a "diary
of secrets" (quotes in original) that she had threatened RFK with
if he brushed her off. When I got this memo, I was struck by its
singular format. I have seen hundreds of CIA documents, maybe
thousands, and I never saw one that looked like this. (We can't
reproduce it because the copy sent to us is so poor). I forwarded
it to Washington researcher Peter Vea. He agreed it was highly
unusual. To play it safe, I then sent a copy to former
intelligence analyst John Newman. He said that he had seen such
reports. What he thought was wrong with it was that there were
things in it that should have been redacted that weren't and
things exposed that should have been blacked out. For instance,
there is a phrase as follows, "a secret air base for the purpose
of inspecting [things] from outer space." Newman notes that the
brackets around the word "things" denote that it had been
previously redacted. It should not have. The words "outer space"
should have been redacted and they never were. On the basis of
this and other inconsistencies, he decided it was a "good"
forgery from someone who knew what they were doing. He told PBS
this four years ago when they showed it to him. The fact that
this doc


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Old December 11th, 2004, 10:52 PM
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in Cover Up. On pages 97-98 the following
passage appears:
There was no conspiracy to destroy the village of My Lai 4;
what took place there had happened before and would happen
again in Quang Ngai province-although with less drastic
results. The desire of Lieutenant Colonel Barker to mount
another successful, high enemy body-count operation in the
area; the desire of Ramsdell to demonstrate the
effectiveness of his operations; the belief shared by all
the principals that everyone living in Son My was staying
there by choice because of Communists...and the basic
incompetence of many intelligence personnel in the Army-all
these factors combined to enable a group of ambitious men to
mount an unnecessary mission against a nonexistent enemy
force, and somehow to find the evidence to justify it all.

I won't go into all the things that must be true for Hersh to be
correct. I will add that in the definitive book of the subject,
The Phoenix Program, My Lai is described as part of the
Colby/Shackley operation.

After My Lai, the New York Times assigned Hersh to the Watergate
beat. The paper was getting scooped by


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Old December 11th, 2004, 10:52 PM
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in Cover Up. On pages 97-98 the following
passage appears:
There was no conspiracy to destroy the village of My Lai 4;
what took place there had happened before and would happen
again in Quang Ngai province-although with less drastic
results. The desire of Lieutenant Colonel Barker to mount
another successful, high enemy body-count operation in the
area; the desire of Ramsdell to demonstrate the
effectiveness of his operations; the belief shared by all
the principals that everyone living in Son My was staying
there by choice because of Communists...and the basic
incompetence of many intelligence personnel in the Army-all
these factors combined to enable a group of ambitious men to
mount an unnecessary mission against a nonexistent enemy
force, and somehow to find the evidence to justify it all.

I won't go into all the things that must be true for Hersh to be
correct. I will add that in the definitive book of the subject,
The Phoenix Program, My Lai is described as part of the
Colby/Shackley operation.

After My Lai, the New York Times assigned Hersh to the Watergate
beat. The paper was getting scooped by


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Old December 11th, 2004, 11:07 PM
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She married CIA officer, and Allen Dulles
protégé, Cord Meyer. Mary's sister was named Tony and was married
to Ben Bradlee. Mary and Cord divorced in 1956 and he later went
on to become a CIA - associated reporter for various papers
including the Chicago Tribune. In the fall of 1964, while walking
along the tow path of the C & O Canal in Georgetown, Mary Pinchot
Meyer was murdered by being shot through the face. A suspiciously
acting black man was apprehended nearby and was identified by a
witness as being the nearest person to Meyer before she was
killed. At the trial, the man was acquitted through the efforts
of a very good defense attorney, mainly due to the circumstantial
nature of the case. Many years after Mary's death, the National
Enquirer revealed that she had been a girlfriend of Kennedy.

Before getting into all the details of this story and its
aftermath, it is necessary to note a bit about Ben Bradlee's
actions in both the Exner and Meyer stories. Bradlee is
essential, not just because of his personal involvement in the
matters under discussion, but because he was the editor of the
Washington Post in 1976 when the Enquirer broke the story. As
with the Exner story, once the Meyer story broke, the Post gave
it its imprimatur by filling out certain elements of the story
and giving it respectable, mainstream play. Thirty five years
later, the essentials I have drawn out above are really all that
can be known for certain about this tale. All the remaining
details are hazy, confusing, or contested. This is not surprising
since two of the people involved in shaping the story are CI


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Old December 11th, 2004, 11:07 PM
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She married CIA officer, and Allen Dulles
protégé, Cord Meyer. Mary's sister was named Tony and was married
to Ben Bradlee. Mary and Cord divorced in 1956 and he later went
on to become a CIA - associated reporter for various papers
including the Chicago Tribune. In the fall of 1964, while walking
along the tow path of the C & O Canal in Georgetown, Mary Pinchot
Meyer was murdered by being shot through the face. A suspiciously
acting black man was apprehended nearby and was identified by a
witness as being the nearest person to Meyer before she was
killed. At the trial, the man was acquitted through the efforts
of a very good defense attorney, mainly due to the circumstantial
nature of the case. Many years after Mary's death, the National
Enquirer revealed that she had been a girlfriend of Kennedy.

Before getting into all the details of this story and its
aftermath, it is necessary to note a bit about Ben Bradlee's
actions in both the Exner and Meyer stories. Bradlee is
essential, not just because of his personal involvement in the
matters under discussion, but because he was the editor of the
Washington Post in 1976 when the Enquirer broke the story. As
with the Exner story, once the Meyer story broke, the Post gave
it its imprimatur by filling out certain elements of the story
and giving it respectable, mainstream play. Thirty five years
later, the essentials I have drawn out above are really all that
can be known for certain about this tale. All the remaining
details are hazy, confusing, or contested. This is not surprising
since two of the people involved in shaping the story are CI


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Old December 12th, 2004, 05:08 AM
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"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
In article , Beverly
wrote:

"Ignoramus22980" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:49:56 GMT, Carol Frilegh

wrote:
The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other
students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is
precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards

the
University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other

universities.
Years later, the University of Chicago b

I wonder if I, being a graduate of the University of Chicago, am also

a
ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellian.

--
223/172.2/180


I can't believe you were ignorant enough to respond to one of these

attack
posts and didn't trim the damn headers.


We all forget to do snippage on occasion but I am fed up with the many
cross posts to groups that are opposed to what we do here.


And yet, you defend the moron who does the crossposting!! You are probably
the most passive-agressive person in here. Can't have it both ways.

Martha




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Old December 12th, 2004, 05:08 AM
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"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
In article , Beverly
wrote:

"Ignoramus22980" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:49:56 GMT, Carol Frilegh

wrote:
The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other
students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is
precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards

the
University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other

universities.
Years later, the University of Chicago b

I wonder if I, being a graduate of the University of Chicago, am also

a
ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellian.

--
223/172.2/180


I can't believe you were ignorant enough to respond to one of these

attack
posts and didn't trim the damn headers.


We all forget to do snippage on occasion but I am fed up with the many
cross posts to groups that are opposed to what we do here.


And yet, you defend the moron who does the crossposting!! You are probably
the most passive-agressive person in here. Can't have it both ways.

Martha




 




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