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Old March 7th, 2004, 02:57 PM
B Sneap
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iv got an excersise bike which shows caliories burnt, its fairly accurate
for the average person and iv looked on websites and their estimated
calories burnt whilst cycling stationary are the same as the bike says, just
varies on the weight of you.

im told if u cyle a lot on it, it builds muscle in your legs and thighs and
make u chunky ,
i only do about 10min or maybe more a day just to get my heart working a
little bit more,
is this good excersise or not, am i wasting my time doing it for only 10 min
a day, is it gonna give me benifits or not, on occasion every now and then i
do half hour,
but its better then doing nowt right yea???




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Old March 7th, 2004, 09:17 PM
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you should do at least 30 mins at a time to get benefits. And at least 3
times a week. The latest reports actually recommend to exercise for 1hr at
least 3 times a week.

You will not build enough muscle in your legs to make them "bulky".

Get on that bike and get peddling!


"B Sneap" wrote in message
news
iv got an excersise bike which shows caliories burnt, its fairly accurate
for the average person and iv looked on websites and their estimated
calories burnt whilst cycling stationary are the same as the bike says,
just
varies on the weight of you.

im told if u cyle a lot on it, it builds muscle in your legs and thighs

and
make u chunky ,
i only do about 10min or maybe more a day just to get my heart working a
little bit more,
is this good excersise or not, am i wasting my time doing it for only 10

min
a day, is it gonna give me benifits or not, on occasion every now and then

i
do half hour,
but its better then doing nowt right yea???






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Old March 7th, 2004, 10:12 PM
Dally
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B Sneap wrote:

im told if u cyle a lot on it, it builds muscle in your legs and thighs and
make u chunky ,


Let's talk about muscles for a minute. Muscle mass is metabolically
active. It needs fuel just to exist. That means that more muscle on
your thighs means you burn more fat 24 hours a day. Burning fat means
you dip into the fat stores on your thighs. Ergo, more muscle on your
thighs means your thighs get thinner, as long as you eat the same amount.

(Case in point: I've been working my thighs quite seriously doing
weight-lifting for the past year and my thigh measurement has dropped by
two full inches in that time.)

i only do about 10min or maybe more a day just to get my heart working a
little bit more,
is this good excersise or not, am i wasting my time doing it for only 10 min
a day, is it gonna give me benifits or not, on occasion every now and then i
do half hour,
but its better then doing nowt right yea???


Are those the two choices? 10 minutes or nothing? Then ten minutes is
a winner.

My experience was that it was important to make daily exercise normal in
my life before I could work on either the quality of that exercise or
work on tackling the food issues.

By normal I mean I just do it without arguing, the same way I brush my
teeth each day. I don't ever sit around thinking, "I think I'll skip
teeth brushing. I really don't like it and it takes time and I'd rather
go straight to bed." I just brush my teeth because it needs doing. No
drama, no calendars with stars for the days I brushed my teeth, it's
just a normal part of my life.

That's what exercise is for me NOW. (I just got back from a run outside
in the mud with my dog.) If you don't have exercise that regular in
your life then cut yourself some slack about the QUALITY of the exercise
and just work on getting it done. Do it day after day after day until
it becomes a habit.

Then you can tackle how to use that time best. Do this in baby steps.
You've got the rest of your life to get these routines worked out.

Dally

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Old March 7th, 2004, 11:27 PM
Dally
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Ignoramus5605 wrote:
In article , Dally wrote:

B Sneap wrote:

im told if u cyle a lot on it, it builds muscle in your legs and thighs and
make u chunky ,


Let's talk about muscles for a minute. Muscle mass is metabolically
active. It needs fuel just to exist.


Supposedly, a pound of muscle burns 35 calories per day.


But that doesn't tell the whole story. Muscle demands more fat-burning
enzymes so you are more capable of using the fat you've got when you
exercise rather than just depleting glycogen reserves and getting hungry.

Muscle mass helps you to be less insulin resistant which means you are
less likely to store excess calories as fat (and more likely to burn
them off in the course of extra fidgeting, etc during the day.)

Muscle also makes you less prone to injury, more comfortable with
activity and, as we've discussed, building muscle is a self-re-enforcing
behavior to all the rest of the weight-loss behaviors.

(Case in point: I've been working my thighs quite seriously doing
weight-lifting for the past year and my thigh measurement has dropped by
two full inches in that time.)



That's because you lost fat everywhere.


But she was worried that building muscles in her thighs would make her
thighs bigger. It didn't. I've also lost nearly 10 inches off my waist
in the past 22 months. There's a rumor that doing ab crunches can make
your waist thicker. I'm telling you that building muscle helps me to
burn fat which helps me to be thinner.

My take on this quest for increasing metabolism is that this effort is
completely misdirected for two reasons. One is that the metabolism
boost from, say, extra muscle is quite negligible, as I
showed. Besides, it is hard to build much more muscle while
dieting. Supposedly, just preserving the muscle is great for an
exercising dieter who is losing weight.


Newbies can gain muscle (and glycogen reserves) while losing fat for up
to about six months. It's common. It's just not duplicatable after
you've been working out for years.

Secondly, the "lower metabolism", as such, may be a sign that the body
adapts to lower calorie intake, and can be associated with life
prolonging effects of calorie restriction. (check out
www.caloriesestriction.org, and Roy Walford's Beyond 120 Year Diet)


I've heard you say this before. It sounds like bull**** to me. I
haven't had time to read your links so I'll leave it at that - just a
word to the readers that there is significant disagreement about your
whole "more efficient" metabolism shtick.

And "higher metabolism", can easily be causing a need to eat more and
higher appetite, thus not having the desired effect of "fat loss".


Possibly. I find exercise lowers my appetite, though.

Exercise is great and building muscle is a wonderful process, although
hard to do for a person losing weight, harder for females, and at any
rate it is a very slow process.


Not for newbies.

I would simply hate to see someone
have unrealistic expectation about just how much muscle they can
build, how much energy those muscles will burn, that the extra energy
would not demand eating more, etc.


The poster is in no peril of trying to gain too much muscle from 10
minutes of exercise biking.

I personally want to gain 5 lbs of muscle this year, but have no
expectation that it will somehow improve my metabolism by much. And
quite possibly, I will fail to reach my goal.


I've gained 1 pound of muscle (and lost about 9 pounds of fat) in the
past three months doing Bryon Haycock's Hypertrophy Specific Training.

Dally

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Old March 8th, 2004, 04:01 AM
MH
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"B Sneap" wrote in message
news
iv got an excersise bike which shows caliories burnt, its fairly accurate
for the average person and iv looked on websites and their estimated
calories burnt whilst cycling stationary are the same as the bike says,
just
varies on the weight of you.

im told if u cyle a lot on it, it builds muscle in your legs and thighs

and
make u chunky ,


Huh? Funny, I've never, ever seen a *chunky* professional bike
racer...never. Not gonna happen.

Martha



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Old March 8th, 2004, 03:23 PM
Julianne
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"Ignoramus5605" wrote in message
...
In article , Dally wrote:
B Sneap wrote:

im told if u cyle a lot on it, it builds muscle in your legs and thighs

and
make u chunky ,


Let's talk about muscles for a minute. Muscle mass is metabolically
active. It needs fuel just to exist.


Supposedly, a pound of muscle burns 35 calories per day.


Let's see - 140 calories a day = 51,100 divided by 3500 = 14.6 pounds in a
year. Question: Are we looking for quick fixes or long term solutions?

http://www.spineuniverse.com/display...rticle887.html

So, if you add 5 lbs of muscle -- a very sizable amount, especially
for a woman -- these extra 5 lbs will burn extra 140 calories. Hardly
a big "metabolism boost". 140 calories is about 18 almonds, much less
than a fistful.




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Old March 8th, 2004, 03:53 PM
Julianne
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"Ignoramus10668" wrote in message
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In article Wl%2c.14387$PY.1315@lakeread05, Julianne wrote:

"Ignoramus5605" wrote in message
...
In article , Dally wrote:
B Sneap wrote:

im told if u cyle a lot on it, it builds muscle in your legs and

thighs
and
make u chunky ,

Let's talk about muscles for a minute. Muscle mass is metabolically
active. It needs fuel just to exist.

Supposedly, a pound of muscle burns 35 calories per day.


Let's see - 140 calories a day = 51,100 divided by 3500 = 14.6 pounds in

a
year. Question: Are we looking for quick fixes or long term solutions?


Skipping an equivalent of 2 oreo cookies per day would create the same
51,100 calories per day difference.

So, while the effect obviously exists, it is rather small, which was
my point.

i

Point taken. However, it is often the aggregate effect of many small
changes that make for the big changes. Skipping two Oreos and adding muscle
and reaping the daily benefits of calories burned through exercise and
eating better foods, etc. etc. act synergistically to promote weight loss.
It is true that one can eliminate one or more of those options and still be
successful but each small change can accelerate progress and work towards
maintaining a healthy weight in the long run.

I tend to lose weight very slowly. Losing an additional pound each month
simply because I have five additional pounds of muscle, which looks good
anyway and prevents injury, is rather like Christmas in my book!

j


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Old March 8th, 2004, 03:53 PM
Julianne
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"Jayjay" wrote in message
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On 8 Mar 2004 14:29:42 GMT, Ignoramus10668
wrote:

In article Wl%2c.14387$PY.1315@lakeread05, Julianne wrote:

"Ignoramus5605" wrote in message
...
In article , Dally

wrote:
B Sneap wrote:

im told if u cyle a lot on it, it builds muscle in your legs and

thighs
and
make u chunky ,

Let's talk about muscles for a minute. Muscle mass is metabolically
active. It needs fuel just to exist.

Supposedly, a pound of muscle burns 35 calories per day.

Let's see - 140 calories a day = 51,100 divided by 3500 = 14.6 pounds

in a
year. Question: Are we looking for quick fixes or long term

solutions?

Skipping an equivalent of 2 oreo cookies per day would create the same
51,100 calories per day difference.

So, while the effect obviously exists, it is rather small, which was
my point.


Ah, but...

the exercise, combined with skipping those 2 oreo cookies and a
regular can of coke, and you've got yourself 45lbs in a year.


And that doesn't even take into the account the calories burned while
exercising - just the effect on resting metabolism.

j



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Old March 8th, 2004, 04:57 PM
Julianne
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"Ignoramus10668" wrote in message
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In article vN%2c.14389$PY.2202@lakeread05, Julianne wrote:

"Ignoramus10668" wrote in message
...
In article Wl%2c.14387$PY.1315@lakeread05, Julianne wrote:

"Ignoramus5605" wrote in message
...
In article , Dally

wrote:
B Sneap wrote:

im told if u cyle a lot on it, it builds muscle in your legs and

thighs
and
make u chunky ,

Let's talk about muscles for a minute. Muscle mass is

metabolically
active. It needs fuel just to exist.

Supposedly, a pound of muscle burns 35 calories per day.

Let's see - 140 calories a day = 51,100 divided by 3500 = 14.6 pounds

in
a
year. Question: Are we looking for quick fixes or long term

solutions?

Skipping an equivalent of 2 oreo cookies per day would create the same
51,100 calories per day difference.

So, while the effect obviously exists, it is rather small, which was
my point.

i

Point taken. However, it is often the aggregate effect of many small
changes that make for the big changes. Skipping two Oreos and adding

muscle
and reaping the daily benefits of calories burned through exercise and
eating better foods, etc. etc. act synergistically to promote weight

loss.
It is true that one can eliminate one or more of those options and still

be
successful but each small change can accelerate progress and work

towards
maintaining a healthy weight in the long run.

I tend to lose weight very slowly. Losing an additional pound each

month
simply because I have five additional pounds of muscle, which looks good
anyway and prevents injury, is rather like Christmas in my book!


Julianne, do you lose weight slowly because it is difficult for you to
eat much less than the maintenance amount of calories? If that is so,
do you think that raising your maintenance amount by adding muscle
would not change how much undereating you can tolerate?

i


I tend to lose weight slowly because frankly, my weight is not nearly the
concern for me that my health is. I am 5'4" and weigh 137 this morning. I
wear a size eight and though I would be much more attractive with another 20
pounds gone, no one would look at me and think I was obese. I would like to
eventually end up in the low 120's but vanity doesn't motivate me. Rather,
my health does. I am the poster child for insulin resistance which can be
reversed by exercise and a low glycemic diet. If not reversed, the chances
of getting Diabetes are very high. Therefore, my focus is more on my
health. When I began eating this way and exercising, it was exceedingly
difficult to lose weight - one symptom of high circulating insulin levels.
As my insulin and blood sugars got more in control, the weight began to come
off at a normal rate. As summer nears, I have ramped up the effort to lose
a few more pounds as it is very hot down here in the summer time and the
only comfy attire is not figure concealing.

j


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Old March 8th, 2004, 07:03 PM
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"B Sneap" wrote in
news
iv got an excersise bike which shows caliories burnt, its fairly
accurate for the average person and iv looked on websites and
their estimated calories burnt whilst cycling stationary are the
same as the bike says, just varies on the weight of you.

im told if u cyle a lot on it, it builds muscle in your legs and
thighs and make u chunky ,
i only do about 10min or maybe more a day just to get my heart
working a little bit more,
is this good excersise or not, am i wasting my time doing it for
only 10 min a day, is it gonna give me benifits or not, on
occasion every now and then i do half hour,
but its better then doing nowt right yea???





Every little bit helps, though to burn fat, you generally need to
break a sweat (about 20 minutes for most people). The usual
formula is (220 minus your age) time .75. (Range is actual 65-80
percent) Example: For me this is 220-48=172
times .75 = 129 beats per mninute or roughly 22 per 10 second
count. If fat burning is your goal, stay in that range. Gowing
slower burns sugar (glycogen?), going faster can actually burn
muscle (protein) as well as fat, though it's good for you heart.

I don't bikes anymore, because of the "male condition" numbness
caused by most exercise bikes which don't have newer split seats,
but I used to find that me outter quads would get firm, but not
bulky. There just isn't enough stress on the muscle to do that.

I'm sure there are several other philosophies. These are what I've
leaned.
 




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