OT - Opinions about bleach as a cleanser

Bleach is as safe as anything else you can use - its been around far longer
than most of the other cleaners and
has a long history of success as an effective cleaner -
in different strengths it can be used to safely rinse vegetables and fruits to
actually being the cleaner of choice to kill HIV virus - what most people dont
like about
it happens to be the smell or the fact it ruins fabric -

I have worked in the food industry for many years - we always try other
cleaners but seem to return to bleach
and water - it just does a really good job!

Bleach is as safe as anything else you can use - its been around far longer
than most of the other cleaners and
has a long history of success as an effective cleaner -
in different strengths it can be used to safely rinse vegetables and fruits to
actually being the cleaner of choice to kill HIV virus - what most people dont
like about
it happens to be the smell or the fact it ruins fabric -

I have worked in the food industry for many years - we always try other
cleaners but seem to return to bleach
and water - it just does a really good job!

Bob (this one) wrote:
|| FOB wrote:
||
||| Yes, it is safe. It is added to drinking water and swimming pools
||| routinely. You don't want to breath the vapors too much, good
||| thing to do is spray some around and leave the room while it does
||| its stuff, come back and rinse when the fumes have died down. What
||| do dioxins have to do with bleach, it's just chlorine in water?
|||
||| In ,
||| Roger Zoul stated
|||| I would like to know what you all think of using common bleach to
|||| clean your bathroom and kitchen areas. Do you think it is safe to
|||| use around your family? Do you feel it is environmentally safe?
|||| What about those dioxins and stuff? It kills mold and stuff, but
|||| personally, I hate the smell of the stuff.
||
|| Here's some charted info.
|| http://www.hi-tm.com/Documents/Countertops.html
||
|| A different approach, two-part wash with real cheap stuff...
|| http://my.execpc.com/~mjstouff/articles/vinegar.html
|| http://www.deq.state.mt.us/Recycle/SafeCleanser.asp
||
|| And it even works for foods...
|| http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arch/9_28_96/food.htm
||
|| I use this approach for both wooden and plastic cutting boards.
|| Counter tops. Bathroom surfaces.

Thanks.

||
|| There's no dioxin in bleach.
||

The paragraph below is where I got that notion:
How It Causes Harm:
"The Clorox company states that chlorine is basically safe. They say that it
breaks down into harmless salt and water. This is very true, but only in a
laboratory test tube under very controlled conditions. Chlorine itself is
not the real issue at hand, but how the byproducts of chlorine such as
organochlrines and dioxins remain in the environment. These byproducts do
not break down easily and readily, therefore they bioaccumilate. This makes
the water very toxic and carcinogenic. This contaminated water is then
discarded into streams and waterways and then come in contact with other
organic materials where in some cases can build up and form an extremely
toxic chemical. These high potent chemicals have been linked to a numerous
amount of human health problems. Such include birth defects, cancer,
reproductive disorders and immune system breakdowns. Bleach is a very
harmful chemical which can have long term effects on the environment and the
people and animals in and around them. "

Which I got from he
http://carbon.cfr.washington.edu/esc.../cleaning.html

Bob (this one) wrote:
|| FOB wrote:
||
||| Yes, it is safe. It is added to drinking water and swimming pools
||| routinely. You don't want to breath the vapors too much, good
||| thing to do is spray some around and leave the room while it does
||| its stuff, come back and rinse when the fumes have died down. What
||| do dioxins have to do with bleach, it's just chlorine in water?
|||
||| In ,
||| Roger Zoul stated
|||| I would like to know what you all think of using common bleach to
|||| clean your bathroom and kitchen areas. Do you think it is safe to
|||| use around your family? Do you feel it is environmentally safe?
|||| What about those dioxins and stuff? It kills mold and stuff, but
|||| personally, I hate the smell of the stuff.
||
|| Here's some charted info.
|| http://www.hi-tm.com/Documents/Countertops.html
||
|| A different approach, two-part wash with real cheap stuff...
|| http://my.execpc.com/~mjstouff/articles/vinegar.html
|| http://www.deq.state.mt.us/Recycle/SafeCleanser.asp
||
|| And it even works for foods...
|| http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arch/9_28_96/food.htm
||
|| I use this approach for both wooden and plastic cutting boards.
|| Counter tops. Bathroom surfaces.

Thanks.

||
|| There's no dioxin in bleach.
||

The paragraph below is where I got that notion:
How It Causes Harm:
"The Clorox company states that chlorine is basically safe. They say that it
breaks down into harmless salt and water. This is very true, but only in a
laboratory test tube under very controlled conditions. Chlorine itself is
not the real issue at hand, but how the byproducts of chlorine such as
organochlrines and dioxins remain in the environment. These byproducts do
not break down easily and readily, therefore they bioaccumilate. This makes
the water very toxic and carcinogenic. This contaminated water is then
discarded into streams and waterways and then come in contact with other
organic materials where in some cases can build up and form an extremely
toxic chemical. These high potent chemicals have been linked to a numerous
amount of human health problems. Such include birth defects, cancer,
reproductive disorders and immune system breakdowns. Bleach is a very
harmful chemical which can have long term effects on the environment and the
people and animals in and around them. "

Which I got from he
http://carbon.cfr.washington.edu/esc.../cleaning.html

Cailleachschilde wrote:
||| Roger Zoul wrote:
||| I would like to know what you all think of using common bleach to
||| clean your bathroom and kitchen areas. Do you think it is safe to
||| use around your family? Do you feel it is environmentally safe?
||| What about those dioxins and stuff? It kills mold and stuff, but
||| personally, I hate the smell of the stuff.
||
|| Bleach is very safe. It's very effective against mold.

Hmm...perhaps if used properly one can say that bleach is very safe. But
with improper usage, I think bleach can be very unsafe. The same would hold
true for many other commonly used household cleaners.

||
|| Personally I like the smell. It lets me know something is clean.
||

All it tells me is there was bleach used somewhere.

|| I hope I don't need to mention this but...never mix bleach with
|| ammonia (chlorine gas). I didn't fully rinse out the cat box when I
|| put bleach in it and ended up with a full on asthma attack.

I would not mix any home cleaning product with anything else, beyond water
and only then if it is stated to do on on the label.

Cailleachschilde wrote:
||| Roger Zoul wrote:
||| I would like to know what you all think of using common bleach to
||| clean your bathroom and kitchen areas. Do you think it is safe to
||| use around your family? Do you feel it is environmentally safe?
||| What about those dioxins and stuff? It kills mold and stuff, but
||| personally, I hate the smell of the stuff.
||
|| Bleach is very safe. It's very effective against mold.

Hmm...perhaps if used properly one can say that bleach is very safe. But
with improper usage, I think bleach can be very unsafe. The same would hold
true for many other commonly used household cleaners.

||
|| Personally I like the smell. It lets me know something is clean.
||

All it tells me is there was bleach used somewhere.

|| I hope I don't need to mention this but...never mix bleach with
|| ammonia (chlorine gas). I didn't fully rinse out the cat box when I
|| put bleach in it and ended up with a full on asthma attack.

I would not mix any home cleaning product with anything else, beyond water
and only then if it is stated to do on on the label.

In article , "Carmen"
wrote:

Hi,
On 7-Sep-2004, Sue Larkin wrote:

That's kind of the extent of my
germ warfare. I agree with the other poster when it comes to to much
germ warfare can be a bad thing.

Snip

That's true. For most people normal soap and water, with
antimocrobial agents when working with raw meats, is just fine. In
the case of our family it's a necessity though. My DH just finished
up 6 rounds of chemo last Monday and that plays holy hell with the
immune system. Right now he's back in the hospital. He spiked a
fever Sunday and got admitted with neutropenic fever (white cell count
was 400. Low end of normal is 5000.) Then chest pain cropped up.
Pneumonia this time. Bleh.
Until his immune system recovers we're going to have to be psychotic
germ-o-phobes ------note the scientific terminology. G

Take care,
Carmen

You're a special needs household. That comes with a whole different set
of rules, doesn't it. My best to your husband, Carmen. I have a friend
who recently completed her 3rd bout in chemo ring. When bad things
happen to good people...

Aloha...Sue

In article , "Carmen"
wrote:

Hi,
On 7-Sep-2004, Sue Larkin wrote:

That's kind of the extent of my
germ warfare. I agree with the other poster when it comes to to much
germ warfare can be a bad thing.

Snip

That's true. For most people normal soap and water, with
antimocrobial agents when working with raw meats, is just fine. In
the case of our family it's a necessity though. My DH just finished
up 6 rounds of chemo last Monday and that plays holy hell with the
immune system. Right now he's back in the hospital. He spiked a
fever Sunday and got admitted with neutropenic fever (white cell count
was 400. Low end of normal is 5000.) Then chest pain cropped up.
Pneumonia this time. Bleh.
Until his immune system recovers we're going to have to be psychotic
germ-o-phobes ------note the scientific terminology. G

Take care,
Carmen

You're a special needs household. That comes with a whole different set
of rules, doesn't it. My best to your husband, Carmen. I have a friend
who recently completed her 3rd bout in chemo ring. When bad things
happen to good people...

Aloha...Sue

TasTyMorsL wrote:
|| Bleach is as safe as anything else you can use - its been around
|| far longer than most of the other cleaners and
|| has a long history of success as an effective cleaner -
|| in different strengths it can be used to safely rinse vegetables and
|| fruits to actually being the cleaner of choice to kill HIV virus -
|| what most people dont like about
|| it happens to be the smell or the fact it ruins fabric -
||
|| I have worked in the food industry for many years - we always try
|| other cleaners but seem to return to bleach
|| and water - it just does a really good job!

I don't disagree that bleach can be safe if used correctly, but there do
seem to be some issues regarding the environment. Also, if used inproperly
it would seem dangerous. But who knows how all that really pans out, and it
is likely that all these other products have similar issues.

TasTyMorsL wrote:
|| Bleach is as safe as anything else you can use - its been around
|| far longer than most of the other cleaners and
|| has a long history of success as an effective cleaner -
|| in different strengths it can be used to safely rinse vegetables and
|| fruits to actually being the cleaner of choice to kill HIV virus -
|| what most people dont like about
|| it happens to be the smell or the fact it ruins fabric -
||
|| I have worked in the food industry for many years - we always try
|| other cleaners but seem to return to bleach
|| and water - it just does a really good job!

I don't disagree that bleach can be safe if used correctly, but there do
seem to be some issues regarding the environment. Also, if used inproperly
it would seem dangerous. But who knows how all that really pans out, and it
is likely that all these other products have similar issues.