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date of Collier's work
approximates the time when the Kennedy book idea was originated. Ignoring the shoddy approach and scholarly standards of the work, the New York Times, Washington Post, and New Republic all gave the book prominent and glowing reviews. In the latter case, Martin Peretz placed the book on the August 27, 1984 New Republic cover under the title "Dissolute Dynasty." He then got longtime Kennedy basher Midge Decter to write a long review that branded the saga "a sordid story." Right after this ecstatic reception, in 1985, Horowitz and Collier landed a feature story in the Washington Post as "Lefties for Reagan." Two years later, the pair went on a USIA-State Department sponsored tour of Nicaragua. This was at a time when the CIA was dumping millions into that country in a huge psychological and propaganda war effort. That same year, with lots of foundation money, the pair arranged a "Second Thoughts" conference in Washington. This was basically a meeting of "reformed" sixties liberals bent on attacking that decade and anyone who wished to hold it up as an era of excitement and/or progressive achievement. Peretz attended that conference. Later, they sponsored another conference entitled "Second Thoughts on Race in America." This might have been called the Washington Post take on race in the eighties since it featured such Kay Graham-Ben Bradlee employees as Richard Cohen, Juan Williams, and Joe Klein. Today, these two see themselves as armed guards protecting America from any renaissance of sixties activism after Reagan. They are quite open about this and Kennedy's role in it in Destructive Generation: "Just as Eisenhower's holding action in the Fifties led to JFK's New Frontier liberalism in the Sixties...so the clamped-down Reaganism of the Eighties has precipitated the current radical resurgence...." Is one to conclude that Clinton |
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that Monroe had conversations with the Kennedy brothers on top
secret matters like the examination of captured outer space creatures, bases inside of Cuba, and of President Kennedy's plans to kill Castro. He also said that she was talking about a "diary of secrets" (quotes in original) that she had threatened RFK with if he brushed her off. When I got this memo, I was struck by its singular format. I have seen hundreds of CIA documents, maybe thousands, and I never saw one that looked like this. (We can't reproduce it because the copy sent to us is so poor). I forwarded it to Washington researcher Peter Vea. He agreed it was highly unusual. To play it safe, I then sent a copy to former intelligence analyst John Newman. He said that he had seen such reports. What he thought was wrong with it was that there were things in it that should have been redacted that weren't and things exposed that should have been blacked out. For instance, there is a phrase as follows, "a secret air base for the purpose of inspecting [things] from outer space." Newman notes that the brackets around the word "things" denote that it had been previously redacted. It should not have. The words "outer space" should have been redacted and they never were. On the basis of this and other inconsistencies, he decided it was a "good" forgery from someone who knew what they were doing. He told PBS this four years ago when they showed it to him. The fact that this doc |
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that Monroe had conversations with the Kennedy brothers on top
secret matters like the examination of captured outer space creatures, bases inside of Cuba, and of President Kennedy's plans to kill Castro. He also said that she was talking about a "diary of secrets" (quotes in original) that she had threatened RFK with if he brushed her off. When I got this memo, I was struck by its singular format. I have seen hundreds of CIA documents, maybe thousands, and I never saw one that looked like this. (We can't reproduce it because the copy sent to us is so poor). I forwarded it to Washington researcher Peter Vea. He agreed it was highly unusual. To play it safe, I then sent a copy to former intelligence analyst John Newman. He said that he had seen such reports. What he thought was wrong with it was that there were things in it that should have been redacted that weren't and things exposed that should have been blacked out. For instance, there is a phrase as follows, "a secret air base for the purpose of inspecting [things] from outer space." Newman notes that the brackets around the word "things" denote that it had been previously redacted. It should not have. The words "outer space" should have been redacted and they never were. On the basis of this and other inconsistencies, he decided it was a "good" forgery from someone who knew what they were doing. He told PBS this four years ago when they showed it to him. The fact that this doc |
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in Cover Up. On pages 97-98 the following
passage appears: There was no conspiracy to destroy the village of My Lai 4; what took place there had happened before and would happen again in Quang Ngai province-although with less drastic results. The desire of Lieutenant Colonel Barker to mount another successful, high enemy body-count operation in the area; the desire of Ramsdell to demonstrate the effectiveness of his operations; the belief shared by all the principals that everyone living in Son My was staying there by choice because of Communists...and the basic incompetence of many intelligence personnel in the Army-all these factors combined to enable a group of ambitious men to mount an unnecessary mission against a nonexistent enemy force, and somehow to find the evidence to justify it all. I won't go into all the things that must be true for Hersh to be correct. I will add that in the definitive book of the subject, The Phoenix Program, My Lai is described as part of the Colby/Shackley operation. After My Lai, the New York Times assigned Hersh to the Watergate beat. The paper was getting scooped by |
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in Cover Up. On pages 97-98 the following
passage appears: There was no conspiracy to destroy the village of My Lai 4; what took place there had happened before and would happen again in Quang Ngai province-although with less drastic results. The desire of Lieutenant Colonel Barker to mount another successful, high enemy body-count operation in the area; the desire of Ramsdell to demonstrate the effectiveness of his operations; the belief shared by all the principals that everyone living in Son My was staying there by choice because of Communists...and the basic incompetence of many intelligence personnel in the Army-all these factors combined to enable a group of ambitious men to mount an unnecessary mission against a nonexistent enemy force, and somehow to find the evidence to justify it all. I won't go into all the things that must be true for Hersh to be correct. I will add that in the definitive book of the subject, The Phoenix Program, My Lai is described as part of the Colby/Shackley operation. After My Lai, the New York Times assigned Hersh to the Watergate beat. The paper was getting scooped by |
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She married CIA officer, and Allen Dulles
protégé, Cord Meyer. Mary's sister was named Tony and was married to Ben Bradlee. Mary and Cord divorced in 1956 and he later went on to become a CIA - associated reporter for various papers including the Chicago Tribune. In the fall of 1964, while walking along the tow path of the C & O Canal in Georgetown, Mary Pinchot Meyer was murdered by being shot through the face. A suspiciously acting black man was apprehended nearby and was identified by a witness as being the nearest person to Meyer before she was killed. At the trial, the man was acquitted through the efforts of a very good defense attorney, mainly due to the circumstantial nature of the case. Many years after Mary's death, the National Enquirer revealed that she had been a girlfriend of Kennedy. Before getting into all the details of this story and its aftermath, it is necessary to note a bit about Ben Bradlee's actions in both the Exner and Meyer stories. Bradlee is essential, not just because of his personal involvement in the matters under discussion, but because he was the editor of the Washington Post in 1976 when the Enquirer broke the story. As with the Exner story, once the Meyer story broke, the Post gave it its imprimatur by filling out certain elements of the story and giving it respectable, mainstream play. Thirty five years later, the essentials I have drawn out above are really all that can be known for certain about this tale. All the remaining details are hazy, confusing, or contested. This is not surprising since two of the people involved in shaping the story are CI |
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She married CIA officer, and Allen Dulles
protégé, Cord Meyer. Mary's sister was named Tony and was married to Ben Bradlee. Mary and Cord divorced in 1956 and he later went on to become a CIA - associated reporter for various papers including the Chicago Tribune. In the fall of 1964, while walking along the tow path of the C & O Canal in Georgetown, Mary Pinchot Meyer was murdered by being shot through the face. A suspiciously acting black man was apprehended nearby and was identified by a witness as being the nearest person to Meyer before she was killed. At the trial, the man was acquitted through the efforts of a very good defense attorney, mainly due to the circumstantial nature of the case. Many years after Mary's death, the National Enquirer revealed that she had been a girlfriend of Kennedy. Before getting into all the details of this story and its aftermath, it is necessary to note a bit about Ben Bradlee's actions in both the Exner and Meyer stories. Bradlee is essential, not just because of his personal involvement in the matters under discussion, but because he was the editor of the Washington Post in 1976 when the Enquirer broke the story. As with the Exner story, once the Meyer story broke, the Post gave it its imprimatur by filling out certain elements of the story and giving it respectable, mainstream play. Thirty five years later, the essentials I have drawn out above are really all that can be known for certain about this tale. All the remaining details are hazy, confusing, or contested. This is not surprising since two of the people involved in shaping the story are CI |
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"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message ... In article , Beverly wrote: "Ignoramus22980" wrote in message ... On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:49:56 GMT, Carol Frilegh wrote: The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards the University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. Years later, the University of Chicago b I wonder if I, being a graduate of the University of Chicago, am also a ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellian. -- 223/172.2/180 I can't believe you were ignorant enough to respond to one of these attack posts and didn't trim the damn headers. We all forget to do snippage on occasion but I am fed up with the many cross posts to groups that are opposed to what we do here. And yet, you defend the moron who does the crossposting!! You are probably the most passive-agressive person in here. Can't have it both ways. Martha |
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"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message ... In article , Beverly wrote: "Ignoramus22980" wrote in message ... On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:49:56 GMT, Carol Frilegh wrote: The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards the University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. Years later, the University of Chicago b I wonder if I, being a graduate of the University of Chicago, am also a ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellian. -- 223/172.2/180 I can't believe you were ignorant enough to respond to one of these attack posts and didn't trim the damn headers. We all forget to do snippage on occasion but I am fed up with the many cross posts to groups that are opposed to what we do here. And yet, you defend the moron who does the crossposting!! You are probably the most passive-agressive person in here. Can't have it both ways. Martha |
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