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Old September 21st, 2003, 02:57 PM
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 02:51:36 GMT, "Perple Glow"
wrote:
Do you like the program? Do you find it hard to stick to? I am glad to see
someone here that is doing something similar to what I am doing. Do you
work out as well? Any hints, since you've been doing this for so long, that
can keep me strong??


There are apparently a lot of current and "graduated" HMR patients
here. My wife and I both lost our weight using HMR and have been
maintaining our weight loss for over a year and a half. I just
recently posted the whole story, but if you missed it, here's a link:

http://brianandrobbie.com/hmr



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to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.
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Old September 21st, 2003, 02:59 PM
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On 21 Sep 2003 03:14:41 GMT, Ignoramus16012
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I am curious, are you not unbearably hungry on 600 calories per day?


For me, hunger was never an issue. The shakes are incredibly filling.
Someone just asked about my breakfast, which to-this-day is still a
shake every morning, by choice. The question was specifically about
whether or not I need a snack before lunch. Basically, the answer is
no. Must be something about the amount of protein and fat simply
keeping hunger away.


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to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
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Old September 21st, 2003, 03:16 PM
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:35:55 -0500, "Jennifer Austin"
wrote:
The immediate gratification of dropping
weight so regularly helped make it easy for me to stick to.


This is key, and the main reason why the added risks are worth it,
since they reduce the likelihood of having to face the more grievous
added risks of obesity.

I haven't had
any veggies, they aren't allowed in my plan yet, but will be soon.


Those first seven potatoes will be the best seven potatoes you'll ever
eat in your life. Enjoy 'em!

I
learned how to use the jello and sf/ff pudding along with extracts and other
flavorings to make some great & creative things with the meal replacements.
I highly recommend the mousses, chicken chips, and cookies.


What?!?! Chicken Chips???? What's that? Robbie says, "Inquiring
minds want to know."

Never did well with the cookies, a.k.a., mookies -- a cross between
muffins and cookies. Just a bit too spongy for our tastes.

I didn't have
luck with the bars, they only made me want to eat more.


Yeah, I'm a bar addict at this point (even though I don't use the HMR
Benefit Bars). I have at least two per day. Bars are okay but I eat
just too many of them.

The minimum exercise commitment is 2000 cal/wk. and I've never gone below
that since starting, even when I had the flu.


I think this is key. I average 3660, and haven't gone below 2000
since Week 28 in February 2002, and that was only the second time I
went below 2000 since I started HMR in August 2001.

I do a lot of different
exercise, including going to Curves regularly. As I have lost more weight
I've been able to do more intense workouts like running. The exercise is
extremely important. I've seen people on this program who don't exercise
and they look like hell.


I know what you mean. They look like I looked after losing 75 pounds
on Weight Watcher thirteen years ago. However, I did exercise then,
so I think the NATURE of the exercise is critical. This time I'm
doing much more resistance training, yoga, The FIRM, etc. Not just
walking, like thirteen years ago.

Attend the classes religiously. Do the assignments even if they seem
stupid - which some did at first.


I really thought it was stupid HOW MUCH program participants made this
point to me as I was going through the program, "DO THE ASSIGNMENTS!"
But they were right: DO THE ASSIGNMENTS! They may seem silly, but in
aggregate they have an impact. I think just doing them gets you into
the whole "No excuses" frame-of-mind. Also, being exposed to the
variety of assignments help you craft your own when that time comes.
(Eventually, like after a year in Maintenance, the assignments start
to repeat, and after the third time through "learning" something which
you have down-pat, it may be time to stretch for something BEYOND what
the assignment is required -- YOU need to make that stretch, since the
class can't be expected to come up to your level, eh? grin)

Use all the
support you can, including this group. Feel free to contact me if you need
more info.


Ditto about the offer of direct contact for more specific info or
support (email address is alt.support.diet (at) brianandrobbie (dot)
com).

There is another HMR person in this group who is also extremely
helpful (Bicker). Stay in touch!


Thanks for the kind words.


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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.
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Old September 21st, 2003, 03:20 PM
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 04:18:44 GMT, "Perple Glow"
wrote:
I don't think that there are classes offered from the center I am going to.
I am in Dallas, Tx..... Maybe I'll look around to see what I can find here.


If not, there is an online community at Yahoo Groups that could serve
the same purpose, if a few of us get together and try to make a go of
it. Sophia is trying, and I'll pitch in with what I've learned, if
there are any folks needing that level of support. I've got all the
assignments I did written down somewhere, so we can even simulate that
aspect of the program.

In regards to exercise, I bought a few beginner yoga dvd's and the mat,
blocks, etc. I am going to try it out.


Do, or do not. There is no "try." - Yoda grin

Not to sound stupid, but why do the people that don't exercise look like
hell? Skin too loose and saggy? Their general health isn't good?


I think, in the end, fitness boils down, principally, to body
composition. Body composition is greatly affected by diet, but also
by the TYPE of food, and also affected by exercise, and even the TYPE
of exercise.


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¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.
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Old September 21st, 2003, 05:01 PM
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Ignoramus wrote:

right. and walking can be fitted at any odd time if you have a few
minutes.


Some days, if it's decent outside while I'm at work, I pop out the back of the
building, walk a few blocks in the sun, and come back in the front door. It's a
"break substitute" for me, so I don't ever take much more than about 10
minutes, but it can be quite the pick-me-up.

I'm not all together looking forward to the winter...part of the way I make
this seemless to the other workers is to walk away from my desk without my
coat.

beeswing
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Old September 21st, 2003, 05:11 PM
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"janice" wrote in message
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I have to say Jennifer it must take some courage to do this. I guess
you're now approaching the relly hard part and moving towards a way of
life for the future. Do keep us posted as I'm really interested to
hear how it goes.
My first thought was for your digestion. My system has been seriously
damaged by years of bingeing and dieting, and the worst times are
switching from one WOE to another, so I can't imagine what switching
from liquids to solids would be like.

janice
233/161/133

I'm surprised at how undamaged I am physiologically. Luckily, the
transition for HMR is done progressively to help with potential digestive
problems. The big ones are fat and fiber. Some people will experience gall
bladder problems - I won't because mine was removed when I was 24 years old.
The fiber thing is just some discomfort apparently caused by eating raw
veggies instead of cooked at first. I plan to just follow the directions
and do as I'm told.

Jennifer (who is eating a 5-bean casserole tonight for dinner)


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Old September 21st, 2003, 05:22 PM
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"bicker 2003" 1NVAL1D wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:10:15 -0500, "Jennifer Austin"
wrote:
Just wanted to share that last night I ate my first solid food in 9

months.
It was an HMR entree - which while provided by HMR are real food meals

akin
to a Lean Cuisine or WW meal but more nutrient dense and with fewer
calories.


I started writing this reply with the intent of toning down your
support for HMR product. You know I love HMR. I'll go to the mat for
HMR. However, I didn't think that what you said there was true.
Well, I was actually surprised to find out that it was much more true
than I thought...

HMR Turkey Chili is 230 calories and 22 g of protein, and that's about
the best HMR has. You're correct that that's a better ratio of
protein to total calories than any Lean Cuisine product. (This was my
first surprising discovery this morning.) Weight Watchers doesn't
even provide such information on their web site, so it seems that they
can't do any better.

However, HMR does have some entrees that don't compare as well. The
Lasagna Primavera is 220 calories and only 11 g of protein. About 85%
of Lean Cuisine products compare better than that, and those that
don't tend to be things like the Egg Rolls and Pizza.


I agree, there are some selections that aren't as good as others. I'm
looking at the labels before I choose my entrees. This week the focus was on
no pasta or rice or animal protein.

So, yes, I suppose that most HMR entrees are more nutritious than Lean
Cuisine's and WW's offerings. A bit of an eye-opener, given that I've
basically stopped using HMR product in favor of the frozen options.


The frozen are less expensive, easier to buy, and something I will fall back
on in a pinch - especially when I don't cook on the weekends. The plan
however is to cook large pots of vegetarian chili (which DH said I did a
fabulous job with last weekend) and other entrees and freeze them myself
since I"m really enjoying cooking on the weekends.

I haven't officially begun the transition to regular food yet since I'm
still a few pounds away from my fasting goal. Last week I had one of

their
meal replacement bars which was chock full o' sugar and all I wanted to

do
was eat 10 more of them so I was getting worried.


Those are snack replacement bars -- NOT meal replacement bars. I hope
your HMR coach will back me up on that. They do count as MRs, but
IMHO, they shouldn't.


Because I'm technically still fasting, they're a meal replacement. I have
to cut back on supplements to use them. The fast now includes bars and
entrees to help people stay in the box. I elected not to use either until
these last two weeks even though they've been offered to me for months.

Because of my concerns
about "tripping the trigger" and whether or not I'll be able to control
myself once I get to food, the nutritionist in the program recommended I
start practicing with entrees.


The Benefit Bars aren't even GOOD snack replacement bars, IMHO. Most
of my friends in my program quickly switched to Luna bars as soon as
they were in Maintenance and therefore able to craft their own Bigger
Box.


Actually our HMR coordinator is a dietician and hates the bars, not just for
the sugar but because they contain palm oil. I found that making a batch of
cookies with the supplement is more satisfying and much better.

Many of the entrees lend themselves to being dumped atop veggies, once
you get to Healthy Solutions. Robbie especially, to this day, loves
the Chicken Pasta Parm over steamed broccoli.


I'm totally looking forward to that. I think the soybean chili will be
great on top of a baked potato.

Thanks for the feedback - it's nice to compare notes with a veteran.

Jennifer


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Old September 21st, 2003, 05:22 PM
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"SnugBear" wrote in message
...

"Jennifer Austin" wrote
Just wanted to share that last night I ate my first solid food in 9

months.
snip
Jennifer
300/157/140



Way to go Jennifer - you are amazing. I love hearing about your plan and
your current transition.

Best wishes for your continued success!

--
Walking on . . .
Laurie in Maine
207/110 60 inches of attitude!
Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03

Thanks so much!


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Old September 21st, 2003, 05:23 PM
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"bicker 2003" 1NVAL1D wrote in message
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On 21 Sep 2003 02:28:47 GMT, Ignoramus16012
wrote:
I hate to ask such a question, but, how do you pass stool on a liquid
diet?


It was such a non-issue that I had to ask my wife how it was because I
didn't remember. It was just-plain-normal, but just less
"production". Same-ol'-same-ol' just with less mass.



and a little help from fiber supplements...


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Old September 21st, 2003, 05:35 PM
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"bicker 2003" 1NVAL1D wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:35:55 -0500, "Jennifer Austin"
wrote:
The immediate gratification of dropping
weight so regularly helped make it easy for me to stick to.


This is key, and the main reason why the added risks are worth it,
since they reduce the likelihood of having to face the more grievous
added risks of obesity.

I haven't had
any veggies, they aren't allowed in my plan yet, but will be soon.


Those first seven potatoes will be the best seven potatoes you'll ever
eat in your life. Enjoy 'em!


Sad but true, we HMR folks dream of eating baked potatoes.

I
learned how to use the jello and sf/ff pudding along with extracts and

other
flavorings to make some great & creative things with the meal

replacements.
I highly recommend the mousses, chicken chips, and cookies.


What?!?! Chicken Chips???? What's that? Robbie says, "Inquiring
minds want to know."


1 pk Chicken Soup Supplement, 1-2 T water, season with your preference - I
prefer Mrs. Dash garlic blend or a few drops of garlic tobasco or habanero.
Stir to make a sticky batter, drop by tsp onto a piece of waxed paper
sprayed w/ Pam. With wet hands or a wet spoon pat down into thin wafers.
Nuke approx 2-3 min until dessicated (dried) but keep an eye on them because
they burn easily. Remove from waxed paper IMMEDIATELY cause they stick.
Enjoy the crunch with your favorite beverage.

Never did well with the cookies, a.k.a., mookies -- a cross between
muffins and cookies. Just a bit too spongy for our tastes.


I love chewy cookies, never liked crunchy ones as much. I make a batch of 9
from one packet and nibble throughout the day.

The minimum exercise commitment is 2000 cal/wk. and I've never gone

below
that since starting, even when I had the flu.


I think this is key. I average 3660, and haven't gone below 2000
since Week 28 in February 2002, and that was only the second time I
went below 2000 since I started HMR in August 2001.


I was up around 3500-4000 cal. during the summer since I had a lot of free
time and most of my social activities revolved around physcial activity.
Now I average 2500 a week which is fine because I'm learning to do more
intense activities that take less time.

I really thought it was stupid HOW MUCH program participants made this
point to me as I was going through the program, "DO THE ASSIGNMENTS!"
But they were right: DO THE ASSIGNMENTS! They may seem silly, but in
aggregate they have an impact. I think just doing them gets you into
the whole "No excuses" frame-of-mind. Also, being exposed to the
variety of assignments help you craft your own when that time comes.
(Eventually, like after a year in Maintenance, the assignments start
to repeat, and after the third time through "learning" something which
you have down-pat, it may be time to stretch for something BEYOND what
the assignment is required -- YOU need to make that stretch, since the
class can't be expected to come up to your level, eh? grin)


This is my third cycle already I get modifications to make it more
challenging. The educator gives the assignment and then says "and Jennifer
needs to..."

Jennifer


 




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