Dangers of soy

Ignoramus19691 wrote:
I found information on that page to be very interesting...

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html


Similarly biased group on the benefits of soy...
http://tinyurl.com/6ujc9

How To Live To Be 100
New research suggests that a long life is no accident. So what are the
secrets of the world's centenarians?
No link because this is from Time magazine's archive (subscription
only) so here's the relevant highlight (8/30/2004):

"Scientists are as obsessed with the question of why the superold
survive and thrive as Ponce de Leon was to find the Fountain of Youth.
They want to understand why the Japanese islands of Okinawa are home to
the world's largest population of centenarians, with almost 600 of its
1.3 million inhabitants living into their second century-many of them
active and looking decades younger than their actual years. ...

Elderly Okinawans tend to get plenty of physical and mental exercise.
Their diets, moreover, are exemplary: low in fat and salt, and high in
fruits and vegetables packed with fiber and antioxidant substances that
protect against cancer, heart disease and stroke. They consume more soy
than any other population on earth: 60-120 g a day, compared to 30-50 g
for the average Japanese, 10 for Chinese and virtually 0 g for the
average American. Soy is rich in flavonoids-antioxidants strongly
linked to low rates of cancer. This may be one of many reasons why the
annual death rate from cancer in Okinawa is far below the U.S. rate."

Soy and Health: What's the Scoop?
http://tinyurl.com/5pw59

Terrific Tofu! Soy Strikes Again
http://tinyurl.com/69cpo

Heart Association recommends eating more soy
http://www.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/diet....eart.soy.reut/

Eating Soy During Adolescence May Reduce Breast Cancer
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0830071955.htm
[probably a lot safer than say...anorexia as BC prevention]

A brief sampling of Pubmed articles
Soy isoflavone intake lowers serum LDL cholesterol: a meta-analysis of
8 randomized controlled trials in humans.
http://tinyurl.com/6d8ls

Metabolic syndrome: soybean foods and serum lipids.
http://tinyurl.com/5e3wm

Weight loss without losing muscle mass in pre-obese and obese subjects
induced by a high-soy-protein diet.
http://tinyurl.com/6w6xw

Nice attempt at trolling. I'd give you more, but I have to get back to
work and could only sacrifice 10 minutes to this cause.

Jenn

"Ignoramus19691" wrote in message
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I found information on that page to be very interesting...

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

Myth: Use of soy as a food dates back many thousands of years.

Truth: Soy was first used as a food during the late Chou dynasty
(1134-246 BC), only after the Chinese learned to ferment soy beans to
make foods like tempeh, natto and tamari.


By my arithmetic, that is over 2200 years. So what's your definition of
many.

Myth: Asians consume large amounts of soy foods.

Truth: Average consumption of soy foods in Japan and China is 10 grams
(about 2 teaspoons) per day. Asians consume soy foods in small amounts
as a condiment, and not as a replacement for animal foods.

Myth: Modern soy foods confer the same health benefits as
traditionally fermented soy foods.

Truth: Most modern soy foods are not fermented to neutralize toxins in
soybeans, and are processed in a way that denatures proteins and
increases levels of carcinogens.

Myth: Soy foods provide complete protein.

Truth: Like all legumes, soy beans are deficient in sulfur-containing
amino acids methionine and cystine. In addition, modern processing
denatures fragile lysine.

Myth: Fermented soy foods can provide vitamin B12 in vegetarian
diets.

Truth: The compound that resembles vitamin B12 in soy cannot be used
by the human body; in fact, soy foods cause the body to require more
B12

Myth: Soy formula is safe for infants.

Truth: Soy foods contain trypsin inhibitors that inhibit protein
digestion and affect pancreatic function. In test animals, diets high
in trypsin inhibitors led to stunted growth and pancreatic
disorders. Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D,
needed for strong bones and normal growth. Phytic acid in soy foods
results in reduced bioavailabilty of iron and zinc which are required
for the health and development of the brain and nervous system. Soy
also lacks cholesterol, likewise essential for the development of the
brain and nervous system. Megadoses of phytoestrogens in soy formula
have been implicated in the current trend toward increasingly
premature sexual development in girls and delayed or retarded sexual
development in boys.

Myth: Soy foods can prevent osteoporosis.

Truth: Soy foods can cause deficiencies in calcium and vitamin D, both
needed for healthy bones. Calcium from bone broths and vitamin D from
seafood, lard and organ meats prevent osteoporosis in Asian
countries?not soy foods.

Myth: Modern soy foods protect against many types of cancer.

Truth: A British government report concluded that there is little
evidence that soy foods protect against breast cancer or any other
forms of cancer. In fact, soy foods may result in an increased risk of
cancer.

Myth: Soy foods protect against heart disease.

Truth: In some people, consumption of soy foods will lower
cholesterol, but there is no evidence that lowering cholesterol
improves one's risk of having heart disease.

Myth: Soy estrogens (isoflavones) are good for you.

Truth: Soy isoflavones are phyto-endocrine disrupters. At dietary
levels, they can prevent ovulation and stimulate the growth of cancer
cells. Eating as little as 30 grams (about 4 tablespoons) of soy per
day can result in hypothyroidism with symptoms of lethargy,
constipation, weight gain and fatigue.

Myth: Soy foods are safe and beneficial for women to use in their
postmenopausal years.

Truth: Soy foods can stimulate the growth of estrogen-dependent tumors
and cause thyroid problems. Low thyroid function is associated with
difficulties in menopause.

Myth: Phytoestrogens in soy foods can enhance mental ability.

Truth: A recent study found that women with the highest levels of
estrogen in their blood had the lowest levels of cognitive function;
In Japanese Americans tofu consumption in mid-life is associated with
the occurrence of Alzheimer's disease in later life.

Myth: Soy isoflavones and soy protein isolate have GRAS (Generally
Recognized as Safe) status.

Truth: Archer Daniels Midland (ADM) recently withdrew its application
to the FDA for GRAS status for soy isoflavones following an outpouring
of protest from the scientific community. The FDA never approved GRAS
status for soy protein isolate because of concern regarding the
presence of toxins and carcinogens in processed soy.

Myth: Soy foods are good for your sex life.

Truth: Numerous animal studies show that soy foods cause infertility
in animals. Soy consumption enhances hair growth in middle-aged men,
indicating lowered testosterone levels. Japanese housewives feed tofu
to their husbands frequently when they want to reduce his virility.

Myth: Soy beans are good for the environment.

Truth: Most soy beans grown in the US are genetically engineered to
allow farmers to use large amounts of herbicides.

Myth: Soy beans are good for developing nations.

Truth: In third world countries, soybeans replace traditional crops
and transfer the value-added of processing from the local population
to multinational corporations.

Who pays for this web site?

all your saying is that the big growers as usually lie about their product.

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"Ignoramus19691" wrote in message
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In article , Patricia Heil wrote:

"Ignoramus19691" wrote in message
...
I found information on that page to be very interesting...

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

Myth: Use of soy as a food dates back many thousands of years.

Truth: Soy was first used as a food during the late Chou dynasty
(1134-246 BC), only after the Chinese learned to ferment soy beans to
make foods like tempeh, natto and tamari.


By my arithmetic, that is over 2200 years. So what's your definition of
many.

More than 2

Seriously speaking, soy is not a food that most of our ancestors ate
to a large extent.


Seriously speaking, most of our ancestors died at a much earlier age than we
do today - could it have been the lack of soy?

"Ignoramus19691" wrote in message
...
In article , Patricia Heil wrote:

"Ignoramus19691" wrote in message
...
I found information on that page to be very interesting...

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

Myth: Use of soy as a food dates back many thousands of years.

Truth: Soy was first used as a food during the late Chou dynasty
(1134-246 BC), only after the Chinese learned to ferment soy beans to
make foods like tempeh, natto and tamari.


By my arithmetic, that is over 2200 years. So what's your definition of
many.

More than 2

Seriously speaking, soy is not a food that most of our ancestors ate
to a large extent.


Seriously speaking, most of our ancestors died at a much earlier age than we
do today - could it have been the lack of soy?

"Ignoramus19691" wrote in message
...
I found information on that page to be very interesting...

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html


At one time or another during my life I've probably seen reports on the
dangers of most foods. Since I don't overdose on anyone particular type of
food I'll wait until there is postive proof before giving up my soy products
I eat probably once or twice a week

Let me see.....I think they've said the same about eggs, milk, coffee - and
the list goes on and on. If I listened to every group that probably has
some financial interest in spreading this news I probably wouldn't be eating
much except bread and water. Oh wait - carbs aren't good for me either!

"Ignoramus19691" wrote in message
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In article , Beverly wrote:
"Ignoramus19691" wrote in message
...
I found information on that page to be very interesting...

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html


At one time or another during my life I've probably seen reports on the
dangers of most foods. Since I don't overdose on anyone particular type
of
food I'll wait until there is postive proof before giving up my soy
products
I eat probably once or twice a week

Let me see.....I think they've said the same about eggs, milk, coffee -
and
the list goes on and on. If I listened to every group that probably has
some financial interest in spreading this news I probably wouldn't be
eating
much except bread and water. Oh wait - carbs aren't good for me either!

You have made an excellent point, one I completely agree with.

So many alarmist reports came out, on so many foods, that it would be
silly to take them all on faith. We'd all die of starvation if we
could not eat any foods about which we were warned by one organization
or another! But, it would be silly to ignore them altogether either,
without looking at the substance of what they say.

They've said the same thing for years without positive proof. What else can
I say except I'll still be eating soy for the present. I'm 61 and in
excellent health except for the osteopenia. According to some studies soy
helps osteoporosis - some studies says it doesn't. You'll find a study with
different outcomes for just about every food but most of them don't have
positive proof. As soon as you find one that absolutely proves soy is
harmful to my health I'll read it. Until that time I prefer to eat sensibly
and spend my free time riding my bike. Hell, there are probably studies
that say biking is harmful to my health but they can shove them, toog

Beverly - who will be riding and eating soy for years to come!

i

Let me see.....I think they've said the same about eggs, milk, coffee - and
the list goes on and on.

Everyone that eats ... dies.
People who publish these reports are not looking for "a truth" but to push
their own adjenda.

~Kat

"help is on the way"
~John Kerry

Let me see.....I think they've said the same about eggs, milk, coffee - and
the list goes on and on.

Everyone that eats ... dies.
People who publish these reports are not looking for "a truth" but to push
their own adjenda.

~Kat

"help is on the way"
~John Kerry