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The "hunger is starvation" delusion
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message ... L.B. Listmann wrote: Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: The healthiest people are truly the hungriest people :-) Then why are they dying of disease and suffering nutritional deficiencies that weaken the immune system? The healthiest people are winning gold medals at Olympic events (i.e. Michael Phelps) and also winning various twinkie/hotdog eating contests to the amazement of spectators expecting obese winners. Their ability to eat large amounts is an indication that these hungry (healthy) competitors are far from dying from anything. Have personally become about 12 million times hungrier (healthier) since using the 2PD-OMER Approach over the past 12 years: You didn't answer the question. You side-stepped it. Then why are the constantly "hungry" dying of disease and suffering nutritional deficiencies that weaken the immune system? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8B_70Jp-kc "A laborer's appetite works for him. His hunger drives him on." -- King Solomon Amen. Truth is simple :-) Love in the truth, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Heart Doctor and Author of "Be Hungry" http://NetCabal.com Only GOD can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...81ab7d7ce78de? |
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The "hunger is starvation" delusion
L.B. Listmann wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: Kaz Kylheku wrote: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...e71fa96107435? The irrational resistance (excuse-making) against using the simple 2PD-OMER Approach arises from the pervasive and deadly delusion that "hunger is starvation" which has been discussed in a different thread starting with the following OP: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...915cc6cd0e47e? Why do you lie constantly? It remains my personal choice to continue to write truthfully. I have never seen anyone on these groups claim "hunger" is "starvation." You clearly have the delusion that "hunger is starvation" inside your heart as evident by the following Usenet post attributed to you: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...0f41c48ff2e7a? May GOD soften your heart, so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus: http://T3WiJ.com Amen. Love in the truth, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Cardiologist and Author of "Be Hungry" http://NetCabal.com "Don't be left behind as were Cleopus and Simon ... .... ----------------- be hungry ! ! !" Only GOD can cut the "hunger is starvation" delusion from our hearts: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...81ab7d7ce78de? |
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My Progress
L.B. Listmann wrote:
wrote in message u... Truth: The two pound diet,aka 2pd etc. is quack science. It has flaws of both fact and logic. It was invented to fit a preexisting agenda and does not flow from evidence based on research. The diet inventor has many times been appraised of his flaws but clings to them for reasons other then science or valid medical practice All of this nonsense of measure by weight or volume comes from the agenda fitting, not well established research. But sadly even the agenda is based on misunderstood and misapplied information. Even when corrected the author of the agenda for nothing but pride and vain face saving can not deal with that truth. Bottom line, ignore any reference to the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc. and stick with established information and sources of expert authorities which does not include the vanity of vanity distorting reality in this case. God bless. Chung got this 2PD nonsense from the bible. Apparently be believes everyone from near infancy to old age is supposed to consume 2 lbs of food a day. Calories don't matter according to Chung. He bases this 2 PD diet on the biblical "manna from heaven" story. There is no basis in reality for this diet he's pushing. no, chung got the 2 lb idea from watching Mt Everest climbers at an I-Max theatre........ they took 2 lbs of food with them, and he said 'eureka' and started to tout 2 lbs it was pointed out to chung that the 2lbs of food was DRIED FOOD and they used the snow to rehydrate it, and to get their own water then andie found religion......... and he read about the omer and now, it's all God's vision (me rolls her eyes here) |
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The "hunger is starvation" delusion
L.B. Listmann wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: L.B. Listmann wrote: Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: The healthiest people are truly the hungriest people :-) Then why are they dying of disease and suffering nutritional deficiencies that weaken the immune system? Those of us who are among the hungriest (able to eat the most) are the healthiest not dying of anything and nutritionally the most replete. The healthiest people are winning gold medals at Olympic events (i.e. Michael Phelps) and also winning various twinkie/hotdog eating contests to the amazement of spectators expecting obese winners. Their ability to eat large amounts is an indication that these hungry (healthy) competitors are far from dying from anything. Have personally become about 12 million times hungrier (healthier) since using the 2PD-OMER Approach over the past 12 years: You didn't answer the question. See above. Truth is simple :-) May GOD soften your heart, L.B., so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus: http://T3WiJ.com Amen. Love in the truth, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Heart Doctor and Author of "Be Hungry" http://NetCabal.com "Don't be left behind as were Cleopus and Simon ... .... ----------------- be hungry ! ! !" Only GOD can cut the "hunger is starvation" delusion from our hearts: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...81ab7d7ce78de? |
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My Progress
On 2009-05-16, L.B. Listmann wrote:
"Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message ... On 2009-05-12, L.B. Listmann wrote: "Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message ... Two pounds of the stuff that constitutes the average intake appears to be in the ballpark for safe, effective dieting, for both men and women. 2 lbs of *WHAT STUFF?* Obviously, food that has an average caloric density of between 1.5 and 2 kcal/g. This is easy to achieve. If every component of every meal has a density in this range, then the overall density cannot be outside of that range. (Mean value theorem from calculus). Do not put anything on that scale that has more than 2 kcal/g. And how would anyone know what contains 2 kcal/g? According to www.calorieking.com: Randomly guessing some foods that are probably under 2 kcal/g: 100g of sirloin steak: 188 kcal. 1.88 kcal/g Cooked long-grain brown rice: 1.11 kcal/g Canned kidney beans: 0.82 kcal/g Apples: 0.52 kcal/g Potato, baked in skin: 0.90 kcal/g It's not hard to come up with foods that have more than 2 kcal/g: Brownie: 4.66 kcal/g Muffin (Kirkland blueberry): 3.70 kcal/g Cheddar cheese: 4.03 kcal/g Bacon, fried: 5.41 kcal/g You should have some intuition about what is loaded with calories, and you can check that intuition online. Many foods are labelled with nutritional facts too; you can easily check caloric density when you're shopping. What about those of us not familiar with the metric system or are poor in math? I'm not sure where all your objections are headed. Let's see. 1. You want to go out to eat, because if you bring lunch will spoil. 2. You don't want to weigh anything. 3. You may be poor at math, so you don't want to calculate. So, with regard to those requirements, what is your plan for limiting the energy intake? One way is to eat similar portion sizes everyday, under an invariant meal structure, without snacking. Billions of people in the world are thin this way. They eat their staple diets, in staple quantities, according to a general plan dictated by their surrounding culture. Sure, this is absolutely the best way to go, and what works for me. I've never weighed anything nor counted calories for any significant period of time. Problem is, some fat folk don't have the accountability for this. They may be otherwise perfectly rational grownups who handle complex responsibilities in their jobs and personal lives. But when it comes to eating, they have amnesia. It goes in the mouth, and five minutes later, it is forgotten. Anything which has calories must be weighed, including liquids. If you think you can put a 500g soda on the scale and still be able to eat well in the 407g you have left, go ahead. How many people carry around g scales? I've addressed this already; you are repeating yourself. But let me add this: how many people carry around an extra 80 pounds of flab, or more? cookies, etc; I would tend to weigh that separately and keep it all under 50g, which would cap its caloric contribution at 450 kcal. How would you know the 50g contains 450 kcals? I wouldn't. Consequently, that isn't what I wrote. |
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Why is Chung posting at the same time he's supposed to beattending/conducting a "Health Fair"?
On May 16, 11:08*am, "Andrew B. Chung" wrote:
Truth is simple :-) post time = 11:08am schedule = "11:00 to 11:30 am - Be prepared for the worst case scenario of the Flu pandemic." http://www.thehealthfair.com/ |
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My Progress
"Tiger Lily" wrote in message ... L.B. Listmann wrote: wrote in message u... Truth: The two pound diet,aka 2pd etc. is quack science. It has flaws of both fact and logic. It was invented to fit a preexisting agenda and does not flow from evidence based on research. The diet inventor has many times been appraised of his flaws but clings to them for reasons other then science or valid medical practice All of this nonsense of measure by weight or volume comes from the agenda fitting, not well established research. But sadly even the agenda is based on misunderstood and misapplied information. Even when corrected the author of the agenda for nothing but pride and vain face saving can not deal with that truth. Bottom line, ignore any reference to the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc. and stick with established information and sources of expert authorities which does not include the vanity of vanity distorting reality in this case. God bless. Chung got this 2PD nonsense from the bible. Apparently be believes everyone from near infancy to old age is supposed to consume 2 lbs of food a day. Calories don't matter according to Chung. He bases this 2 PD diet on the biblical "manna from heaven" story. There is no basis in reality for this diet he's pushing. no, chung got the 2 lb idea from watching Mt Everest climbers at an I-Max theatre........ they took 2 lbs of food with them, and he said 'eureka' and started to tout 2 lbs it was pointed out to chung that the 2lbs of food was DRIED FOOD and they used the snow to rehydrate it, and to get their own water then andie found religion......... and he read about the omer and now, it's all God's vision (me rolls her eyes here) They're all nuts............... |
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My Progress
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message ... L.B. Listmann wrote: Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: "Indeed most people using the 2PD-OMER Approach are doing this in combination with a diet comprising of their favorite foods." Eating 2 lbs of food consisting of 8 or 9000 calories a day ... Bomb calorimeter measurements of 2 lbs (908 grams) of food comprising of a variety of a person's favorites typically yields about 1800 calories and not 8000-9000 calories as you falsely claim. This has been pointed out to you earlier by Kaz: The favorite foods of many, if not most obese people are not low calorie foods. Fries, sweets, burgers etc are not going to contain 1800 in a 2 pound portion. Only lean meats and low carb veggies may make it. Those are not usually the favorite foods of those with weight issues. If eating 2 lbs a day caused weight loss as you claim, everyone would be carrying around scales and no one would be obese. |
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My Progress
L.B. Listmann wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: L.B. Listmann wrote: Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: "Indeed most people using the 2PD-OMER Approach are doing this in combination with a diet comprising of their favorite foods." Eating 2 lbs of food consisting of 8 or 9000 calories a day ... Bomb calorimeter measurements of 2 lbs (908 grams) of food comprising of a variety of a person's favorites typically yields about 1800 calories and not 8000-9000 calories as you falsely claim. This has been pointed out to you earlier by Kaz: The favorite foods of many, if not most obese people are not low calorie foods. Favorites change when folks hold themselves to 32 ounces per day. Fries, sweets, burgers etc are not going to contain 1800 in a 2 pound portion. They don't contain 8000-9000 calories as you have falsely claimed. Only lean meats and low carb veggies may make it. The average caloric density of what people are eating remains about 2 cal/gm as cited by Kaz. Those are not usually the favorite foods of those with weight issues. Folks with weight issues are **all** eating more than 32 ounces per day. Therefore, they will **all** lose weight by eating less, down to the right amount (32 ounces) per day. Truth is simple :-) May GOD soften your heart, L.B., so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus: http://T3WiJ.com Amen. Love in the truth, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Heart Doctor and Author of "Be Hungry" http://NetCabal.com "Don't be left behind as were Cleopus and Simon ... .... ----------------- be hungry ! ! !" Only GOD can cut the "hunger is starvation" delusion from our hearts: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...81ab7d7ce78de? |
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My Progress
"Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message ... On 2009-05-16, L.B. Listmann wrote: "Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message ... On 2009-05-12, L.B. Listmann wrote: "Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message ... Two pounds of the stuff that constitutes the average intake appears to be in the ballpark for safe, effective dieting, for both men and women. 2 lbs of *WHAT STUFF?* Obviously, food that has an average caloric density of between 1.5 and 2 kcal/g. This is easy to achieve. If every component of every meal has a density in this range, then the overall density cannot be outside of that range. (Mean value theorem from calculus). Do not put anything on that scale that has more than 2 kcal/g. And how would anyone know what contains 2 kcal/g? According to www.calorieking.com: Randomly guessing some foods that are probably under 2 kcal/g: 100g of sirloin steak: 188 kcal. 1.88 kcal/g I'm in America where we use pounds and ounces, teaspoons and tablespoons, cups etc. How would the average American judge a gram of food? Is that a tsp full or a Tbs full? Do you look for gram scales to weigh everything and then look for a computer to see how many kcal/gs they contain? Let's say we have a lb plate of baked chicken, potatoes and string beans? How do we know how many calories the plate of food contains? 1.11 kcal/g means nothing to me. Cooked long-grain brown rice: 1.11 kcal/g Canned kidney beans: 0.82 kcal/g Apples: 0.52 kcal/g Potato, baked in skin: 0.90 kcal/g It's not hard to come up with foods that have more than 2 kcal/g: Brownie: 4.66 kcal/g Muffin (Kirkland blueberry): 3.70 kcal/g Cheddar cheese: 4.03 kcal/g Bacon, fried: 5.41 kcal/g You should have some intuition about what is loaded with calories, and you can check that intuition online. I don't have access to a PC when out during the day. Many foods are labelled with nutritional facts too; you can easily check caloric density when you're shopping. What about those of us not familiar with the metric system or are poor in math? I'm not sure where all your objections are headed. Let's see. 1. You want to go out to eat, because if you bring lunch will spoil. Right. There is no fridge where I work or where many people work. Leaving an sandwich out at room temperature can well spoil it after 5 hours. 2. You don't want to weigh anything. Most people would rather not carry around a scale all day. 3. You may be poor at math, so you don't want to calculate. Many people are indeed poor in math. All these things have to be considered. And if calories are going to be counted, why weight the food? Just add the calories and find what number is the magic number and you start losing weight. So, with regard to those requirements, what is your plan for limiting the energy intake? Counting calories would be the fastest and easiest for active working people with busy schedules. But since not everyone eats at home, that too can be problematic. One way is to eat similar portion sizes everyday, under an invariant meal structure, without snacking. Billions of people in the world are thin this way. They eat their staple diets, in staple quantities, according to a general plan dictated by their surrounding culture. Sure, this is absolutely the best way to go, and what works for me. I've never weighed anything nor counted calories for any significant period of time. And how much weight have you lost on this regime? Problem is, some fat folk don't have the accountability for this. They may be otherwise perfectly rational grownups who handle complex responsibilities in their jobs and personal lives. But when it comes to eating, they have amnesia. It goes in the mouth, and five minutes later, it is forgotten. Anything which has calories must be weighed, including liquids. If you think you can put a 500g soda on the scale and still be able to eat well in the 407g you have left, go ahead. Soda in grams? Here it's in ozs, pints, quarts and gallons. How many people carry around g scales? I've addressed this already; you are repeating yourself. But let me add this: how many people carry around an extra 80 pounds of flab, or more? So you suggest men carry around scales.... ? In what? Handbags like women carry? cookies, etc; I would tend to weigh that separately and keep it all under 50g, which would cap its caloric contribution at 450 kcal. How would you know the 50g contains 450 kcals? I wouldn't. Consequently, that isn't what I wrote. |
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