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  #11  
Old April 29th, 2007, 07:50 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Carol J
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I know that folks in my weightloss surgery support group here in town, they
are forever searching for quick, easy solutions with as little work as
possible to "maintain" their weight loss. Probably is that folks who reach
their goal weight and/or are a year or so out, I've noticed that they do one
of two things........either they start regaining their weight and they stop
coming/posting to our local group/yahoo group OR they do stick around but
they are depressed or asking for help. When we discuss it, we find that in
most cases it's because they were looking for the easy out. They stopped
being sure that they took in more protein than carbs........and increased
their bread/pasta intake. The bottom line for alot of us is that we're just
going to have to take the time and feed ourselves by cooking or eating
fresh, whatever we intake. I wish that at some point I'd get so I don't
have to put so much thought into what I eat/drink each day but I realized a
couple of months ago, that just ain't gonna happen. If it does then I'm in
trouble. I think we do well to accept that which we can not change.......


--
Carol J
HW350/GW150/CW181.8



"BlueBrooke" .@. wrote in message
...
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:41:37 -0500, Aaron Baugher


These are good points, Aaron.

Several years ago when manufacturers started jumping on the low-carb
bandwagon, we had a discussion on a mailing list about how this wasn't
necessarily a good thing. We were outnumbered by the working moms who
wanted "low cost, wholesome, high quality, low-carb convenience foods"
to make their lives easier.

These same people were posting six months later that they "tried
Atkins and it didn't work."
--
BlueBrooke
255/250/135 -- 01 Jan 2007


  #12  
Old April 29th, 2007, 09:17 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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I don't use LC milk, I would use heavy cream or forgo the food that would
require milk or have regular milk sparingly. I also, if I wanted to make
those items, would make them myself as I can be sure of the carb count and
ingredients as labels lie.

Also long with the low carb, back to cooking life style, people discovered a
host of intolerance from certain foods. Which frankly, if they didn't cook
and go low carb would have been forever in the dark about. Yeast being one
of the major issues.

But the point is, like so many are pointing out, the quick availability of
mass produced LC items have lead some to fail at the actual dieting part,
become lazy in what learning LC and really forget what LC is all about.



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On Apr 29, 9:24 am, "2Phat" wrote:
But low carb books do talk about abstaining from sugars and certain cards
and such. Atkins himself didn't even start discounting 'sugar alcohol's
and
fiber until he started making products. They do not talk about having a
low
carb product here and there. And I am referring to pre mass produced
products low carb books as I really don't know what changes any low carb
books made once the products took hold.

What I'm saying is the purity of low carb is gone, and pickles and
ketchup
were not apart of that early purity, which is why it's harder to really
do
low carb. Much harder now then it was before the mass production of
products.


So, it was OK and pure if I bought tomato paste, vinegar, and
sucralose, and spent time making it myself, winding up with something
with the same amount of carbs as Heinz, but not tasting as good? Or
if I bought cucumbers and made pickles myself, instead of buying the
Mt Olive ones? And somehow that was supposed to make it more likely
that I would stay on LC, having to go to more trouble, instead of
picking it up off the shelf? Either of those foods was perfectly fine
all the way back to the Atkins books of the 70's. The only
difference was back then, you had to do more yourself.

BTW, how do you make the Hood LC milk? I'd really like to know, in
case that goes away.





Yes, good for maintenance but not good for weight reduction.

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On Apr 29, 4:43 am, "2Phat" wrote:
A long time ago I thought having low carb products in mass was a good
idea.
I thought it would make low carb easier. I thought low carb on the go
would
be easier. I thought cooking with low carb products would be easier.


And having many of these products available does make LC easier for
people who are really serious about doing it and are going to take the
time to read a book and figure out how to do it right. Products
like Hood LC milk, Heinz Ketchup, Mt Olive Sweet Pickles, LC
Tortillas, even LC shakes for a quick occasional meal, make it easier
for me. I think it's silly to attribute the bursting of the LC
bubble to LC products. It's well known that the vast majority of
people can't follow any diet. A lot jumped on LC due to all the
media attention it was getting in the early part of the decade.
Suddenly it became the "in" thing to try as a quick and easy
solution. Most figured they could do LC for a month or two, drop 20
lbs and then go back to their old ways. They would have failed with
or without the products.


What I've learned is low carb products in mass really hurts the low
carb
dieter because it takes away the basic principal of low carb. Yes
some
product development has been great for diabetics as they have much
better
choices in foods that won't raise BSL's, and some other products are
excellent as they do not interfere with weight lose, but for the most
part
the snacks, legal treats, pre made shakes, breads, etc., have added to
low
carb being more of a fad then a life style change. The products are
more
for maintenance but fool the dieter into thinking it's a part of the
diet
phase.


I've come to realize low carb is at it's best when you are eating real
foods
for the weight lose phase and maybe a few 'products' when your in long
term
maintenance and incorporating the life style with your tastes. You
still
have to be careful.


The marketing plan is, get a diet, it become popular people are losing
weight, get products, people stop losing weight and start struggling
with
the diet.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -





  #13  
Old April 29th, 2007, 09:36 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Roger Zoul
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2Phat wrote:
:: But the point is, like so many are pointing out, the quick
:: availability of mass produced LC items have lead some to fail at the
:: actual dieting part, become lazy in what learning LC and really
:: forget what LC is all about.

Nonsense. They would have failed anyway. Whether it be LC products or just
flat out cheating, these people would not follow the plan. Trying to lay
blame after the fact just because there is something to "point at" is just
stupid.


  #14  
Old April 29th, 2007, 11:25 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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So lazy people don't deserve dieting success? Seems to me that if you have
products available that make it easier more people will succeed and that's a
good thing.

2Phat wrote:
| I don't use LC milk, I would use heavy cream or forgo the food that
| would require milk or have regular milk sparingly. I also, if I
| wanted to make those items, would make them myself as I can be sure
| of the carb count and ingredients as labels lie.
|
| Also long with the low carb, back to cooking life style, people
| discovered a host of intolerance from certain foods. Which frankly,
| if they didn't cook and go low carb would have been forever in the
| dark about. Yeast being one of the major issues.
|
| But the point is, like so many are pointing out, the quick
| availability of mass produced LC items have lead some to fail at the
| actual dieting part, become lazy in what learning LC and really
| forget what LC is all about.
|
|
|


  #15  
Old April 30th, 2007, 12:34 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
2Phat
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Default Down Fall of Low Carb

You nailed it on the head! That's the entire point of the post.


"FOB" wrote in message
et...
So lazy people don't deserve dieting success? Seems to me that if you
have
products available that make it easier more people will succeed and that's
a
good thing.




  #16  
Old April 30th, 2007, 12:55 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Apr 29, 6:34 pm, "2Phat" wrote:
You nailed it on the head! That's the entire point of the post.

"FOB" wrote in message

et...



So lazy people don't deserve dieting success? Seems to me that if you
have
products available that make it easier more people will succeed and that's
a
good thing.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -



2Phat now agrees that the entire point of the original post was as FOB
stated, that having products available make it easier to do LC so more
people will succeed? Hmmm, now I'm confused.

  #17  
Old April 30th, 2007, 01:09 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Apr 29, 1:50 pm, "Carol J" wrote:
I know that folks in my weightloss surgery support group here in town, they
are forever searching for quick, easy solutions with as little work as
possible to "maintain" their weight loss. Probably is that folks who reach
their goal weight and/or are a year or so out, I've noticed that they do one
of two things........either they start regaining their weight and they stop
coming/posting to our local group/yahoo group OR they do stick around but
they are depressed or asking for help. When we discuss it, we find that in
most cases it's because they were looking for the easy out. They stopped
being sure that they took in more protein than carbs........and increased
their bread/pasta intake. The bottom line for alot of us is that we're just
going to have to take the time and feed ourselves by cooking or eating
fresh, whatever we intake.


I don't see how cooking it yourself has much to do with this. You
could cook
a pot of mashed potatoes and eat those too. If you're just don't
give a damn and
choose to eat bread and pasta, that strongly suggest to me that the
problem has little to do with what LC or regular foods are available
and a lot to do
with personal responsibility.

The simple fact is, it's well known that most dieters fail regardless
of what type of diet they are on.

And the other big assumption here is that everyone has the same LC
goals that you do.
How about someone who isn't seriously overweight and just has finally
bought into the idea
that a lot of carbs isn't good for you? So, they would rather buy a
LC version of a product
that they already buy, just trying to reduce their carb intake.
Should they be denied a LC or
reduced sugar product because someone else can't keep their hands off
it?





I wish that at some point I'd get so I don't
have to put so much thought into what I eat/drink each day but I realized a
couple of months ago, that just ain't gonna happen. If it does then I'm in
trouble. I think we do well to accept that which we can not change.......

--
Carol J
HW350/GW150/CW181.8

"BlueBrooke" .@. wrote in message

...
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:41:37 -0500, Aaron Baugher

These are good points, Aaron.

Several years ago when manufacturers started jumping on the low-carb
bandwagon, we had a discussion on a mailing list about how this wasn't
necessarily a good thing. We were outnumbered by the working moms who
wanted "low cost, wholesome, high quality, low-carb convenience foods"
to make their lives easier.

These same people were posting six months later that they "tried
Atkins and it didn't work."
--
BlueBrooke
255/250/135 -- 01 Jan 2007



  #18  
Old April 30th, 2007, 01:16 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Apr 29, 11:33 am, "Carol J" wrote:
I agree with this thought.............I mean it's great to be able to keep a
packet of peanuts in one's purse for when you really just can't get home to
cook something or eat something safe but for the most part, part of
healthier eating means cooking at home, at least for me. I keep peanuts at
work, at home, in my purse........those 1 oz packets.

Carol J


So, it's OK for you to keep a packet of peanuts, which aren't that low
in carb, in your
pocket for this occasional situation, but if someone else chooses to
do the same thing
with a LC bar or shake, that will be leadto their failure and deserve
the blame?







2Phat wrote:
A long time ago I thought having low carb products in mass was a good
idea. I thought it would make low carb easier. I thought low carb on
the go would be easier. I thought cooking with low carb products
would be easier.


What I've learned is low carb products in mass really hurts the low
carb dieter because it takes away the basic principal of low carb.
Yes some product development has been great for diabetics as they
have much better choices in foods that won't raise BSL's, and some
other products are excellent as they do not interfere with weight
lose, but for the most part the snacks, legal treats, pre made
shakes, breads, etc., have added to low carb being more of a fad then
a life style change. The products are more for maintenance but fool
the dieter into thinking it's a part of the diet phase.


I've come to realize low carb is at it's best when you are eating
real foods for the weight lose phase and maybe a few 'products' when
your in long term maintenance and incorporating the life style with
your tastes. You still have to be careful.


The marketing plan is, get a diet, it become popular people are losing
weight, get products, people stop losing weight and start struggling
with the diet.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -




  #19  
Old April 30th, 2007, 01:32 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Apr 30, 7:55 am, "
wrote:
On Apr 29, 6:34 pm, "2Phat" wrote:

You nailed it on the head! That's the entire point of the post.


"FOB" wrote in message


. net...


So lazy people don't deserve dieting success? Seems to me that if you
have
products available that make it easier more people will succeed and that's
a
good thing.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


2Phat now agrees that the entire point of the original post was as FOB
stated, that having products available make it easier to do LC so more
people will succeed? Hmmm, now I'm confused.


I was done with 2Phat, but the quotes just come through.

I think she was agreeing with lazy people don't deserve success.
Personally, I think lazy people are just like everyone else, only they
haven't found the right motivation yet. Let's say more environmental
than internal nature. Like criminality.

As a drinker of shakes, both RTD and mix yourself, an eater of
dreamfields, an occasional purcahser of InStone pudding (20g protein,
gotta love the power), and various other LC convenience products, I
find the insinuation from someone who hasn't lost and maintained any
real loss over any significant span of time to be at best, not worthy
of notice and at worst, insulting to the people who are like me and
have lost large amounts and maintained for months and years rather
than days and weeks.

Let's suggest that mileage varies, some folks tolerate some
convenience products very well and some don't, and that these products
(and things like wheat, peanuts, cassein protein, etc) have some
variability in response. That seems reasonable.

PS- Dreamfields is good for me, I understand where folks may suggest
that it's feeding my bad habits like eating pasta, and I am willing to
live with that. Just because I'm not committed to a completely paleo
lifestyle doesn't mean I'm not committed to better health and
weightloss.

-Hollywood

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Old April 30th, 2007, 02:36 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Hollywood wrote:
:: On Apr 30, 7:55 am, "
:: wrote:
::: On Apr 29, 6:34 pm, "2Phat" wrote:
:::
:::: You nailed it on the head! That's the entire point of the post.
:::
:::: "FOB" wrote in message
:::
:::: et...
:::
::::: So lazy people don't deserve dieting success? Seems to me that
::::: if you have
::::: products available that make it easier more people will succeed
::::: and that's a
::::: good thing.- Hide quoted text -
:::
:::: - Show quoted text -
:::
::: 2Phat now agrees that the entire point of the original post was as
::: FOB stated, that having products available make it easier to do LC
::: so more people will succeed? Hmmm, now I'm confused.
::
:: I was done with 2Phat, but the quotes just come through.
::
:: I think she was agreeing with lazy people don't deserve success.
:: Personally, I think lazy people are just like everyone else, only
:: they haven't found the right motivation yet. Let's say more
:: environmental than internal nature. Like criminality.
::
:: As a drinker of shakes, both RTD and mix yourself, an eater of
:: dreamfields, an occasional purcahser of InStone pudding (20g protein,
:: gotta love the power), and various other LC convenience products, I
:: find the insinuation from someone who hasn't lost and maintained any
:: real loss over any significant span of time to be at best, not worthy
:: of notice and at worst, insulting to the people who are like me and
:: have lost large amounts and maintained for months and years rather
:: than days and weeks.
::

I use Instone pudding too. Great LC product, IMO. I also use those cinnamon
pork skins that netrition sells. Another great LC product. I use Mt Olive
BB pickle products made with Spenda. Several more great products. I use
Hoods drinks. Another great product. On occason, I might even use RS SF
candies, but those are self-limiting. As a T2D, they do represent a great
product for me as they don't send me on super high spikes.

Frankly, I think 2phat is a near idiot.


:: Let's suggest that mileage varies, some folks tolerate some
:: convenience products very well and some don't, and that these
:: products (and things like wheat, peanuts, cassein protein, etc) have
:: some variability in response. That seems reasonable.
::
:: PS- Dreamfields is good for me, I understand where folks may suggest
:: that it's feeding my bad habits like eating pasta, and I am willing
:: to live with that. Just because I'm not committed to a completely
:: paleo lifestyle doesn't mean I'm not committed to better health and
:: weightloss.

Interestingly, pasta is a product that I used to eat a lot of but I don't
miss it at all. I find that curious.

The bottom line is that people won't need to lay blame on any type of
product to not lose weight. LC products aren't the reason people don't
lose - if you eat too much food it doesn't matter what you're eating, you
won't lose weight. Those on LF will find it hard to lose too even then they
pick LF products. It is because of the product? It's clear that the common
denominator is really the eating, not the products. If one counts calories
and has a real commitment to weight loss, then *any* product can be used.
Albeit, it might be tougher when you can't be sure what's in something (on
this point 2phat is correct, I admit). So, doing the work yourself in terms
of preparing your own food is often the way to success, but mainly because
of the type of "mental focus" it takes to get to that point. Another way to
generate that type of "mental focus" in weight loss efforts is to count
calories while using LC products and note whether or not they create greater
desire to overeat. If they do, you cut them out and try something else.
Either way, it's a mind game and whatever one can do to keep the mind in
control over the body will lead to success.



 




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